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Originally Posted by Lorraine  So I guess that pretty much invalidates everything the parti colour/Biewer breeders are claiming if all the info on the Internet cannot be trusted.
As the info on that page is from an actual genetisist I would think it gives it some validity.
Again, you don't understand how a purebred gets that status. The development and recognition of the YOrkshire terrier went through the same hoops as any other purebred to be recognized.
Many of the current purebreds were developed from mixed breeds the Yorkie was not the only one that came about through that path. BUt that was one heck of a long path they came through with meticulous records of true fanciers, once they sought recognition and for the result to breed true. These were not ever marketed as rare whatever.
Fact still remains, I don't know of any reputable show breeders that know there lines from 30+ years producing a parti colour. One of their dogs might have done so as you mention the Nikko line but again, bred to what?
Which again is why show breeders NOW are very selective of whom they will deal with because if they do breed or sell to someone that produces something not good, that show breeder will get the blame regardless of what is behind the non show breeder stock. Show breeders have kind of closed the barn doors after the horses got out but I don't believe this was such a problem until the huge dollars could be made off of small breed dogs including designer breeds and 'rare' colours and not just involving Yorkies, it is happening in many breeds. |
I did not say that "all the info on the internet is invalid" fyou are now twising my words to try to prove your point. Don't do that the readers of this thread are smarter than that.
The claim that the person who wrote that is a geneticist is irrelevent. No one knows when, where or how the piebald gene got into the mix, but it is pretty obvious that it is there because these parti colored pups are coming from purebred registered champion lines of traditionsl yorkshire terriers. That much has been proven. So denying the fact that it is there is foolish.
As I wrote in another post, the maltese and the yorkies were all shown as broken haired scottish terriers, in the early 1860's, so it is more likely than not, that they were bred together.
I don't claim to understand everything that goes into establishing a breed and getting dogs to purebred status. I would imagine that once the breed is established, all the registered dogs in that breed would be considered pure bred. And only registered dogs of the same type could produce purebred offspring. Is it more compklicated than that?
The parti colored dogs' offspring were DNA'd to prove that they came from the purbred dogs that the breeders claimed to be the parents. It satisfied the AKC, and that is all that matters.
Are you saying the Gloria Liptman was not an honest breeder? Just because no one has personally told you that one of their champion dogs has sired a parti puppy, does not mean that it hasn't happened. It just means that they didn't care to share that information with you.
You didn't know about Nikko Kennels either until we told you.
As for how much money is made from breeding these partis or those breeding designer dogs and selling them, what difference does it make, as long as the breeders are not trying to pass them off as being something other than a mixed breed. If people want them and are willing to pay for them, I guess that is their own business. As long as they are selling healthy loving dogs, who are they hurting?
And you are lumping all parti breeders into the same category. Some of us actually have a purpose other than to make money.