[b_veselka]

Hey Guys-
I am still in the market for a little male. For those of you who have kept up with the last few Threads I have started- Please Help and Has Any one Heard of this Breeder- Here is what has been happening. This is a PM that I sent to someone on the forum since she has a dog from the breeder that I had been expecting to buy my baby from. I just copied what I sent to her so that I would not have to type the whole thing again:
Hello-
I just though that I would update you on what is going on with kim and trigger. Well, I got an e-mail fom her on Sunday night (which I will attatch) telling me that she would send my money back and that she did not want to sell me Trigger. She told me that (well you can read it). Back when I was going to buy Diesel from her I had called her vet's office trying to leave her a message to remember to have his knees checked. I had tried her cell and home and finally came up with the idea to call the vet. In speaking w/ the vet's office I asked if i could leave a message to remind her to have his knees checked. While I had the girl on the phone I did ask if she knew if it had already been done (just to quickly clear up the matter) she of course could not give me any info on whether it had been done so I asked her to leave the message for kim. I do not know what kim though the conversation was about or what she was told, but this is apparently what caused her to decide not to sell Trigger to me. i called the vet last tues. and she waited until after offering me Maverick or trigger at the same price as Diesel, after me deciding on Trigger, and after telling me that he would be shipped this week to tell me that has changed her mind! Needless to say- i was pissed when I got her e-mail. I started to respond right away, but realized how upset I was so I waited until today to send her a response (which I will also attatch). i just thought I would ask your opinion of the whole situation. Was I out of line to call the vet to try to get a hold of her? I mean she had my 2000.00 sitting in her bank account for the dog- she should have made herself available. you'll understand more why I called when you read what I sent her. I am still pretty upset. I had my heart set on him and it took me a long time to finally make up my mind on him! Let me know what you think. Here is her last e-mail to me:

Beth,
I'm not sure how to begin with this. I've been praying about this and talking it over with my husband. I have had an uneasy feeling with you in our dealing with each other. I guess the first thing was when you called the vet's office about Diesel. They didn't appreciate it, they are very busy people and was doing me a favor getting Diesel in so quickly. They are under law to not give out any information to anyone but the owner of the animal. But not just that, there have been several things along the way that alarmed me and made me think that you can be unreasonable. I have dealt with a lot of people over the years and usually when I see signs of this before hand it is a real problem down the road. I do not wish to have problems now or later. I also do not wish for you to have any problems, but I'm not sure you know that. I know it is hard to trust people these days and I do not blame you for that, just can't shake the feeling that my dealings with you may come back to haunt me later. So I've decided to send you your money back, all of it, even though I did a lot of things to Diesel because you asked me to, not because I was obligated to, that cost me unnecessarily. I do hope you can find a perfect little male that will make your breeding program a success. It will be in the mail to you Tuesday and you should get it by Friday. I opted not to send it via wire because it would be additional funds at this point that I am not willing to pay.

I pray God's Blessings on this.

Here is what I sent as a response to her:

Kim,

I appreciate your honesty, but just wish that you would have gotten back to me as soon as you began feeling this way. This could have saved me a lot of time waiting and wondering when you'd be getting back to me about Trigger, I could have also known sooner to start looking for another dog. I don't know what your vet's office told you, but as I told you when I called to let you know I phoned them, I called to try to get a hold of you. I was not trying to sneak around to get information or anything like that. When I called I asked if you were there yet because I wanted to remind you to have his knees checked for the LP. You had told me what a small town you live in and that the lady vet was there only a couple times a week. If your town is anything like mine, I have to drive 20 miles to the closest vet, I wanted to save you the extra trip to have it looked at. I had already tried calling your home and cell phone that morning and could not get you, that is why I called the vet's office. I told the girl on the phone that you were bringing in Diesel to have his teeth done and that I wanted to leave a message reminding you to have his knees checked. I simply asked her if she knew if it had already been done and she told me she did not know and that she could not give me the information anyway. That was fine. I did not see it as going behind your back in any way- especially since you already had my 2000.00 in your bank account (that was not my thought at the time, but after reading your last e-mail, I thought wait a minute- even if I had called for information, I had already basically purchased him!). I know the vet's office did not know that, but you did- that is why I am surprised that you were so upset about me asking if he had been checked for LP. Perhaps you were just unaware of what my conversation was with the receptionist, like I said- I do not know what they told you. Our whole phone conversation was less than a minute long, so I do not understand how asking to leave a message for a client could have taken up too much of their time. As far as the expense of having his teeth pulled- I was pretty sure that I did not ask you to do that. So, I went back through all of our e-mails to be 100% sure. The only thing I ever asked was "How is his bite?" to which you responded that you thought that he still had some baby teeth and that you would have them looked at. If you can remember one of our phone conversations, you told me he did indeed had a few baby teeth in back and that you were going to take him in the next day to have them pulled. I never asked to have that done. When you volunteered to have it done, I was under the impression that you would have had it done anyway whether I got him or not. If having him heartworm tested is another expense that you are talking about, that really surprises me. Dogs should be tested at 6 months and started on a prevention program. There was no way I would have wanted to spend 2000.00 on a dog and take him to the vet to find out he had heartworms when I bought him. Like I said, when I sold Pixie I had it done because it is routine to have already had it done by her age. I should have had it done when she was 6 months old so I had no problem with it. I would never send a dog without knowing that I was sending a perfectly healthy dog. If it was the fact that I asked too many questions about these pups that caused you to change your mind I find it very disheartening. Unfortunately, I have been through a bad experience that I could not fix once the purchase was complete and I do not ever want to have to go through that again. I simply wanted to be sure that I was spending my money on a healthy puppy. I read your warranty and knew what I was signing and what you covered and did not cover. I wanted to be sure that you would not be sending me a puppy that already had a condition that was not covered by the warranty. I really knew that I better be sure that the LP was accounted for before a pup was sent so that I did not end up in the same boat as the lady who bought a pup from you and took it to the vet 24 hours after it arrived to find that it had LP. She told me that when she called you that you could not do anything for her since your warranty did not cover the LP (that's fine, she signed it)- even though he had it before he left you. So, I am very glad that I called the vet's office to remind you to have it done. Yes, I understand that LP is something that can develop later in life. As far as I was concerned about LP- I just wanted to be sure it was not present before you sent him to me. If it was something that developed later in life, then that would have been something I would have had to deal with on my own- I know that- I read the warranty. If it was mainly about me calling the vet, I have now had my chance to explain that, although it's too late. Whether you believe me or not is up to you. As, I am typing this e-mail, I am hoping that you do not take it the wrong way. I am not intending to be sarcastic, I am simply being honest with you as you were with me. I still think you have beautiful dogs and regret that I will not be able to bring Trigger home. I will send you one last e-mail to confirm that I have received my money.

So that is it. I am sorry that these are so long!!! i just know that you are the one that knows of Kim and I really wanted someone elses opinion on the matter. Thanks so much.
Beth