I know what you mean....my husband bought a new Jeep in 1990...he still has that thing to this day.....it's rusting out & he's replaced the windshield 3 times and was hit by hail the size if softballs,and it's been in several accidents.... but refuses to junk it....he said he paid for it so he will drive it till all that's left is 4 tires & the engine...he don't need the seat he'll just stand.... I refuse to get in that darn thing.....then he has the nerve to get offended if you call it a piece of sh*t....