wow browniesmom.... youre very passionate, ill give you that..... but i see both sides pretty clearly and can understand why you would want to use one, and why you wouldnt.... some dogs just dont get the stay command when they have "tunnel vision", nothing matters except that one thing they are chasing (even if they chase it out in front of a moving car) the shock collar when set to a low setting does not hurt, it only gives a mild irritation, when it is set HIGH is when you need to be concerned, lucynfred did homework and experimented with teh collar before they decided to do it (i applaud that most people just set it on the high setting and let them have it)... on teh other hand these are small dogs that are very sensitive (especially there little throats.... i would also like to remind some of you that crate training was thought to be cruel as well at one point and time ( and they are great!! the dogs even think so!!) ....
So, now that we see both sides...... everyone is allready set in their frame of mind and no one is going to be dissuaded to the other side so i agree with camillaK and "agree to disagree".... or in my case stay somewhere in the middle
Furthermore........ does anyone on this board use the citranella collar? ive seen it in the magazines and have not heard of anyone actually using it