[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I thought the dog was pretty too and all the poor OP was asking was should she get him because of his dark head and it has evolved into all this. She vaguley mentioned show/breeding then went on to say she was getting him but what did we think of his dark head. WHEWWWWWWWWWWWW. i ain't even going to say anymore because I am a breeder who has never seen the show ring, don't intend to as far as I know, might someday have champion lines and many well known names on my pedigrees . I have sold my puppies to people that are planning on TRYING them in the ring and it's not been by me telling them to. In fact, it's the other way round because I wouldn't know a show dog from any other nice one. I know I have seen some show dogs, I wouldn't buy and wondered why in the world is that dog in the ring. because of all that, when the threads take this direction about who should sell, who should breed and etc I tend to take this stuff way too personal. i usually try to stay out of these threads because I would say way too much since I feel like I am one of those being talked about in these threads and it could turn ugly. i happen to think there are a lot of knowledagable breeders and well respected breeders that are not show people and have just as much right to breed as the show people do. you all have to forgive me tonight. I have already said more than I intended . I am turning off for tonight.

I will throw in my possibly unwelcomed 2 cents and 'observation'.

I for one, appreciate reading what I do. Personally, I don't see where this thread went down hill or anyone should have been offended. No one was naming anyone and the show breeders/exhibitors input is valid and interesting to read. I can understand and agree with what is said based on.....1). These people intentions are improving/preserving the breed, 2). They have been there and done that. 3). The show world is a small one and it is only with ethics, integrity, and honesty that anyone could possibly survive.

If I had put my life, years, sacrifices, money, research etc into this....I too would love to share my experiences and the 'real deal' when it comes to this. I am green as can be about all this.......but I am young and willing to learn. I don't spend my time on here just killing time...........I appreciate the invaluable information I get here. No one is born knowing and it is only through experience and time that one gets 'there'. If you are lucky enough to know one that is already 'there' to teach you and share their knowlege then what a blessing (provided ethics/integrity/trust is always present). If not, then those who are already there can take it to the grave with them. Not everyone is willing to 'educate' others. Again, I appreciate eveything I read and learn on here.........and that option should be there. No one should feel that they cannot post their life experiences or 'honest truth'.........everyone else should either move on or wear the shoes if it fits them.

This is the internet and it is very easy to get offended (we all have been there). If you decide to breed or show.....you are more prone to it since the subject is always an ongoing one. I guess everything comes with a price tag.

I hope you (or anyone) take this the wrong way, but I have always found that a clean conscious and feeling run side by side. If one knows in their heart that they are doing things right and are at peace with themselves...........they could give a crap what others have to say. It's easy to just brush it off and move on.

As a reader, I see nothing wrong with this thread. Everyone was curteous and respectful, no names were mentioned and no one was bad-mouthed. I am sure the possibilty exists that there are members here who are hurting the breed or are destined to be BYB (why would I think any different.....it's the net). No one should get offended if the shoe doesn't fit.


I am not a breeder or show. This is my mere observation/opinion. Also, I don't expect people flaming me or keep quoting me after this and getting all testy. I am here to learn and don't have time to 'fire away'. My PM always has space though and if anyone wants to.......please feel free.

I feel I have been respectful and not directed this to anyone.

Jess