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Old 10-01-2014, 09:23 AM   #1
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What would make a 4 lb yorkie "yuk chuck up" 6 hours after eating last meal around 7, in middle of the night , a couple times a week. Am in process of weaning over to new wet food ....very slow though, at present , one part new to 2 parts old. Should I give her less at bed time? New food is Evangers canned, premium duck and sweet potato.
Wierd it takes 6 hours....
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She may have reflux. Vets recommend 1/4th pill of Pepcid for reflux in dogs. But, I'd probably see my vet first before going ahead w/ it.
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She may have reflux. Vets recommend 1/4th pill of Pepcid for reflux in dogs. But, I'd probably see my vet first before going ahead w/ it.
Yep....I'm really watching her close and leap out of bed if she does to see if she is in distress. Most of the time I get a look like "whaaaaat ....all I wanted to do is pee!"....she's ok during the day....I cut back on the amount of food at night thinking she's overeating...she doesn't eat it all during the day anyway

Do you give probiotics?
Thinking of adding that too....
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If a dog is intolerant of a protein or food, they will throw up, sometimes up to 2 days later. They can throw up partially digested food, undigested food, yellow bile, mixed food & bile.
Food intolerance can also show up in their stool, it can be soft to runny.

That's how Turbo was, he always stunk of bile, he was throwing up all the time, everywhere. Vets precribed pepcid & tagamet. I had him xrayed to see if there's any obstruction, tested for diabetes, liver shunt (BATs), even tho vets said he was fine according to his blood work.

Someone posted about NutriScan & I got Turbo tested. He can't have chicken, turkey, venison & white fish...all the proteins I was giving him! So now I avoid those proteins & he has not thrown up since. For us, this was a lifesaver.

If Zoey is displaying any of these signs w/no real answers from your vet(s) & there's no underlying medical problem, I highly recommend getting her tested w/Nutriscan.

Here's the direct link: NutriScan Food Sensitivity and Intolerance Test for Cats and Dogs
Here's Turbo's thread, post#10 has the test results: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-test-kit.html
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Why are you weaning to new food? You mean there was no vomiting before? I would back off the food if there was no vomiting before. Some people say that their dogs have had problems digesting sweet potatoes. How old is your girl?
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Yep....I'm really watching her close and leap out of bed if she does to see if she is in distress. Most of the time I get a look like "whaaaaat ....all I wanted to do is pee!"....she's ok during the day....I cut back on the amount of food at night thinking she's overeating...she doesn't eat it all during the day anyway

Do you give probiotics?
Thinking of adding that too....
I give probiotics & digestive enzymes. I saw a major overall improvement. Less itchies, better digestion (no upset tummies), smaller poopies (these could all be from eating raw food too).

Just FYI, Evangers was known to put proteins that are not on the label in their food, but since the scandal I think the company changed owners.
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Why are you weaning to new food? You mean there was no vomiting before? I would back off the food if there was no vomiting before. Some people say that their dogs have had problems digesting sweet potatoes. How old is your girl?
Rotation for one is why and she has been on Hills rx ID since June when she suddenly fell ill I suspect salmonella , they put her on this to help bring her out of it.....and it worked wonderful but She is showing an increase disinterest in it....As time goes by and won't eat.
It is more a regurgitation than a vomit from the belly . Just once in the night 2 or 3 times a week. She is on Evangers grain free, premium duck and sweet potato half , and half yet the hills for about 5 days. Eating well again!
Zoey is 16 months.....doesn't seem to have a problem during the day.
I wonder if she is eating to much too late ....
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Any suggestions for a better food? I have read and read and read ....
Just too much!

I have looked at raw, natural instinct bites.....didn't know if it would be harder to digest....

Now studying probiotics....What kind do you use?
Her poop looks good actually ....never too soft...or smelly...
She's just reluctant to eat till I throw in a tiny peanut butter flavored buddy biscuit
Going for smaller more frequent meals instead of the 2large , which for her is 3 tablespoons......last night went well...
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Rotation for one is why and she has been on Hills rx ID since June when she suddenly fell ill I suspect salmonella , they put her on this to help bring her out of it.....and it worked wonderful but She is showing an increase disinterest in it....As time goes by and won't eat.
It is more a regurgitation than a vomit from the belly . Just once in the night 2 or 3 times a week. She is on Evangers grain free, premium duck and sweet potato half , and half yet the hills for about 5 days. Eating well again!
Zoey is 16 months.....doesn't seem to have a problem during the day.
I wonder if she is eating to much too late ....
I'm one of those who don't believe in rotation, if you are feeding something that works, stick with it, however, if you are saying your vet told you to put her on it, that's another matter. I personally don't believe dogs show a disinterest in food, unless it's one of three things. They have gotten sick when they were on the food and now they are fearful of the food, this is more likely to happen if it was a fairly new food. Second reason is if they are in any type of pain, it doesn't have to be digestive issues it can be other types of pain, and they will even refuse food that they normally love, like chicken. Third reason is if you are just totally overfeeding. Dogs usually won't overfeed on kibble, in fact, some say it's impossible, but they will overfeed on canned and human type of foods, some will eat to the death in fact. I would ask my vet about it and tell him how long it's been since she's eaten when she vomits as this is an important clue. I'm kind of leaning toward an acid reflux type of vomit like Wylie's mom mentioned, it happens often in the middle of the night a long time after their last meal. My vet suggested I give Pepcid (1/4 of the 10 mg tablet) and feed smaller meals more often.
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Nancy gave some excellent insights into this situation...she could simply be eating too much @ one time. That will produce acid reflux in both humans & pets.

My vet suggested splitting Turbo's meals into 3. They're still eating 3 small meals, every 7 hrs, it works for us.
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As she had the earlier upset for which the vet put her on the ID food, could she have some digestive issue that came back after giving her new, non prescription food? Perhaps a vet visit and blood tests could set this question to rest?
Hope she gets better soon, poor baby.
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I'm one of those who don't believe in rotation, if you are feeding something that works, stick with it, however, if you are saying your vet told you to put her on it, that's another matter. I personally don't believe dogs show a disinterest in food, unless it's one of three things. They have gotten sick when they were on the food and now they are fearful of the food, this is more likely to happen if it was a fairly new food. Second reason is if they are in any type of pain, it doesn't have to be digestive issues it can be other types of pain, and they will even refuse food that they normally love, like chicken. Third reason is if you are just totally overfeeding. Dogs usually won't overfeed on kibble, in fact, some say it's impossible, but they will overfeed on canned and human type of foods, some will eat to the death in fact. I would ask my vet about it and tell him how long it's been since she's eaten when she vomits as this is an important clue. I'm kind of leaning toward an acid reflux type of vomit like Wylie's mom mentioned, it happens often in the middle of the night a long time after their last meal. My vet suggested I give Pepcid (1/4 of the 10 mg tablet) and feed smaller meals more often.
My vet is holistic and recommends rotation , she believes staying on one protein can cause intolerances to it but she is not a nutritionist so the food I choose is pretty much up to me.
Zoey shows no sign of being in pain or sickly. Is very playful and energetic .....I never fed canned before the Hills , she just wasn't interested in it..and she knew her limits with how much kibble to eat.
I do tend to think I give her too much, 3 tab. twice a day is still below the recommend 1/4 cup for her size .....but she sometimes leaves some . Like I said I will cut down and feed more often.and look into probiotics wouldn't hurt.
What kind do you use?
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As she had the earlier upset for which the vet put her on the ID food, could she have some digestive issue that came back after giving her new, non prescription food? Perhaps a vet visit and blood tests could set this question to rest?
Hope she gets better soon, poor baby.
They already took blood tests and said they thought she had a sensitive stomach, which could cover a lot! But she was all of a year old when she had her ER episode, to which all her symptoms point to salmonella.
She is still on half of her prescription food to half of new.
I'm being careful to pick a single protein and grainfree as it is.
I just don't know......
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My vet is holistic and recommends rotation , she believes staying on one protein can cause intolerances to it but she is not a nutritionist so the food I choose is pretty much up to me.
Zoey shows no sign of being in pain or sickly. Is very playful and energetic .....I never fed canned before the Hills , she just wasn't interested in it..and she knew her limits with how much kibble to eat.
I do tend to think I give her too much, 3 tab. twice a day is still below the recommend 1/4 cup for her size .....but she sometimes leaves some . Like I said I will cut down and feed more often.and look into probiotics wouldn't hurt.
What kind do you use?
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There are pros and cons to rotation, I've read before that staying on one protein, causes intolerance to it, but I haven't seen any proof as in scientific studies, and if it does cause an intolerance, why not just switch at that point? In nature, animals don't have a rich variety of foods, they tend to eat the same foods over and over, and it doesn't make sense that this would cause problems. Joey's been on the same food most of his life and he has way less problems than many dogs I've seen here, however, I don't think Joey's food is the answer for everyone.
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There are pros and cons to rotation, I've read before that staying on one protein, causes intolerance to it, but I haven't seen any proof as in scientific studies, and if it does cause an intolerance, why not just switch at that point? In nature, animals don't have a rich variety of foods, they tend to eat the same foods over and over, and it doesn't make sense that this would cause problems. Joey's been on the same food most of his life and he has way less problems than many dogs I've seen here, however, I don't think Joey's food is the answer for everyone.
My boys are like Joey and have been eating pretty much the same simple diet for 5 years. Same main kibble with very limited treats/additions in very small quantities. Although they are big boys, we split the food into 3 meals a day.

I also agree that I would be a little leery of sweet potato for a dog with a history of pancreatitis.

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