Best time to get FIRST wellness checkup & boosters??

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Confused by this post, but I remember you and I said something very similar. I'm just saying Kellie didn't really advise owner to give it any more than we did. She just said give it b/c the vet prescribed it.

she said her dog has mvd and it is safe she sees it all the time

You and i said to question it

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kalina82

time for me to get off this crazy train before the conductor sends it off a cliff...

good night

Ditto....it is so far off the track that it is pathetic now.

Nite all.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by kalina82

time for me to get off this crazy train before the conductor sends it off a cliff...

good night

Ditto.

I'm sorry to the OP.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

hhahahah You are saying she spent the money to fly here to get paid for her vet bills?

You know.....I think you need to worry about what goes on in your home and leave YHR alone.

This is beginning to sound like you are trying to stir a pot. Is this what you do when things don't go your way in a conversation? Try to turn it into something else...try to split people? Not going to work. I am quite frankly not interested in whatEVER it is you are referring to.

I think you need to go to your yahoo groups for a bit so you can come back and educate us stupid people .

Just stating the facts like i always do LJ

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by dwerten

You know exactly what i am talking about Jodi so maybe you will think twice before talking about LJ and her rescue behind her back again and how they did not pay truman's bills and she kept telling you to bump the thread on here. Is that what is happening with Rorie and this new liver shunt dog. I thought this site was not suppose to be used to raise money other than for YT?

How do I know about Truman Jodi? I was not active on here then

So is everyone insane that tells the truth on here?

You are talking about Teagan and not Truman. You have your story confused and I know why too. Teagan the AAI puppy right.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

You are talking about Teagan and not Truman. You have your story confused and I know why too. Teagan the AAI puppy right.

nope it is TRUMAN. I have my story straight

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I think she is talking about Teagan But he is with YTNR.

Nope TRUMAN

Is this TRUMAN

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...mans-ears.html

So tell me are the intentions here to help dogs or raise money? As my intentions were to help dogs

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You know it is funny......I have had people tell me how you pm them to come help you out on a thread. I guess that is why you think someone called me. Pretty amusing...but also sad.

I just got finished making blankets for the boutique with some friends who love the pups...they are not even rescuers, but wanted to help. I come on YT and engage in a discussion and get accused of a gang thing. Talk about trying to beat people into submission...rofl.

And what is your issue about YHR fosters now? Do tell. Interesting that now we want to get accusatory??

yeah LJ i pm people whose dogs have the disease which is more than you do to help pet owners by saying just go to the vet lol. These people have first hand experience with the disease so why is that a bad thing?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

See this is exactly what I am trying to say. There are step that Dwerten is missing on how things are handles and how things work with specimens. There are different types of preservatives that are used in samples dependent upon what is being looked at/for. You therefore cannot apply a broad blanket to every dog. There are different scenarios and different protocol that need to be followed depending upon what the vet is looking for or ruling out as a possible cause. If blanket statements are made that is when it becomes dangerous.

Debbie you act like vets are all fools and they should not be trusted. Well at least that is my impression when I read your posts. This is polar opposite of my training. But then again I have a different type of relationship with the medical professionals that I deal with on a daily basis. To work side my side with some of the very best surgeons and see their expertise I just could not begin to think I had more knowledge then they do. There are plenty of very knowledgeable members of the veterinary profession that should be well respected but many times I seem to miss that in your writings. I'm not hear to argue with you but every time I try to step up to correct a misconception you are so defensive and then are relentless that you are correct. No one is always right we are all only human.

respect is earned and i respect the specialists i deal with very much like jean dodds who emailed me tonight to answer the question you could not answer. I have said over and over how much respect i have for the specialists i deal with but perhaps you missed those posts since you are always looking to twist things i write just as you do with others on YT to create drama over and over again. Does that kind of bumping help you raise money on here for YHR too?

[dwerten]

Perhaps you missed my posts about liking my specialists like you missed the post about the dog having orange poop tonight so maybe you should stay in the rescue section

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

yes the samples get refrigerated, but the culture is taken with a sterile swab and placed in a sterile tube with gel or whatever is in there. So the refrigerated urine is not being sent to the lab and THEN having the culture taken. A culture is also usually done in house as well.

If there is an infection yes there will be a lot of bacteria. the problem is determining which bacteria came from where. what if the bacterias found need different antibiotics to clear it up? are you going to put your dog on multiple antibiotics that aren't necessary when you could just get a sterile sample straight from the bladder to determine what bacteria is in there
and what antibiotic is then needed?

Of course your samples are going to be excellent if there is nothing wrong with the dog (meaning the dog doesn't have an infection).

all of my cultures and lab work is done at a lab not in house only one inhouse fecal but still paid to send out to lab as well- and you do not think a lab knows the difference in bacteria internally as well as contamination? I think they do and ims told me they do so i believe her and Jean over everyone here sorry as they have been doing this for 40 years in jeans case and 15 years in ims case.

I am very familiar with cultures for fecal, skin and urine since my dd has had them all sadly

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by dwerten

all of my cultures and lab work is done at a lab not in house only one inhouse fecal but still paid to send out to lab as well- and you do not think a lab knows the difference in bacteria internally as well as contamination? I think they do and ims told me they do so i believe her and Jean over everyone here sorry as they have been doing this for 40 years in jeans case and 15 years in ims case.

I am very familiar with cultures for fecal, skin and urine since my dd has had them all sadly

so if my free catch was excellent since nothing wrong with my dog then wouldn't your theory of contamination have thrown it off showing infection?

Just like jodi thinks my sterile catch is over kill is the same thing i think of cysto - it is over kill and should only be used in extreme circumstances where a dog cannot pee that is the only way i would do it with my dog

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Dogs die of reactions, but that is rare. It is not a reason to frighten people into NOT getting vaccines. You keep bringing this one case up. I wonder if the owner does not get a bit depressed seeing it brought up over and over and over again?

People and dogs also die from medications. Rare...but it does happen. There are risks involved in everything. Do you not think there is anything you do that might have a risk?

That is just not the real world. It is horrible when it happens, but again, not common; so no reason to scare people imho.

yes but owners should be educated and not OVER vaccinate their dogs like is happening. She wants people to be aware as she stated on her thread that she wants her dog dying from vaccination to save other dogs from this happening to but you are welcome to ask her as she stated this and why i try to make others aware of it.

people should be warned about controversial meds like nsaids and vaccines so they do things safely to protect their dogs but not put them in harms way with diseases that occur from being over vaccinated in a breed that has poor immune systems such as yorkies

so by educating owners not to over vaccinate their pets it may save some dogs from getting these diseases - why is that a bad thing? You can tell by the poll people are uneducated about this on here and over vaccinating their dogs

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Why should I tell you the reason for a cysto? You know the reason and you also know that the majority of vets do them. Once you get something in your head, that is it. No matter what anyone says. The use of Metacam is one example. It is not the topic of this thread but the way you carry on about that med just amazes me. Seriously. Every single medication has side effects...that is not something we can avoid.

They don't put a needle in human bladders because humans can follow directions on how to pee in a cup keeping the specimen sterile.

I see NO WAY possible for anyone to do a free catch on a dog.

I don't see anyone convincing you of anything. You say that these two vets advise you against cystos....what I want to know is WHY do they say NOT to do them?? OR...are they simply saying it is ok not to do them?
There is a difference.

As for someone proving something to you.....I don't see it happening unless you want to believe it.

I also want to add that telling people to not listen to their vets is really not appropriate in my world. I would not want the responsibility if something happened to someone's pet because I advised them not to listen to their vet. I would feel awful....does not matter that you put that line in your signature line about not being a vet...that does not make it ok to give vet advice imho.

i cannot make people do anything with their pets only advise them on information and provide links to help them understand things. It is up to them to work with their vet with that info

I will not sit back and not say something that i feel is not safe and watch a dog die just because the owner is told something by a vet like with polina. I will step in and say what i am thinking and seeing and question it and give the owner info to help their dog such as i did with her and i believe this dog did not die because of it.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Dogs die of reactions, but that is rare. It is not a reason to frighten people into NOT getting vaccines. You keep bringing this one case up. I wonder if the owner does not get a bit depressed seeing it brought up over and over and over again?

People and dogs also die from medications. Rare...but it does happen. There are risks involved in everything. Do you not think there is anything you do that might have a risk?

That is just not the real world. It is horrible when it happens, but again, not common; so no reason to scare people imho.

It is not scaring people it is educating people. Stop looking at the negative in everything LJ and wake up dogs are dying and getting diseases because people are over vaccinating their dogs look at the poll. Look at the dogs coming on here recently with neurological signs isn't this the time of year the vaccination cards go out do you not think that is a coincidence. Why do you refuse to want to educate people and put their dogs at risk out of being afraid of being honest with them?