Foods with and without Ethoxyquin

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

It's only for foods w/fish, right?

Jenny, that's what I thought, too. Go to my post #25 and click on the link to another ethoxyquin thread. When I made the statement that it was used only in foods w/fish I was corrected (see post #22 in the other thread). Apparently it's used to preserve fats in other meats as well as fish.

Here's the link to the other thread. See post #22.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ght=ETHOXYQUIN

[mimimomo]

Ok, so it's used to preserve animal fat & by-products also. Good to know, thanks Bonny. I don't feed mine w/any of the above, but will double check the ingredients for animal fat.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Jenny, that's what I thought, too. Go to my post #25 and click on the link to another ethoxyquin thread. When I made the statement that it was used only in foods w/fish I was corrected (see post #22 in the other thread). Apparently it's used to preserve fats in other meats as well as fish.

Here's the link to the other thread. See post #22.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ght=ETHOXYQUIN

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Ok, so it's used to preserve animal fat & by-products also. Good to know, thanks Bonny. I don't feed mine w/any of the above, but will double check the ingredients for animal fat.

Jenny, I think this is what Natural Balance was alluding to in their email to you when they wrote that other producers use Ethoxyquin to stabilize their kibble.

[MaxwellHouse]

Originally Posted by Breny

Great info! Life's Abundance has never let me down

I swear by Life's Abundance!!! I found it after much research during the food scare.

[spiritwings1202]

totally confused about dog food here what does everyone suggest? I need a grain free dog food.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Jenny, I think this is what Natural Balance was alluding to in their email to you when they wrote that other producers use Ethoxyquin to stabilize their kibble.

I don't think NB was alluding in any way, they don't add ethoxyquin or BHA/BHT. I was only aware that it's used in fish that's why I posed the question. Wasn't aware that it's also used in animal fat & animal by-products. I know alot of treats from the super market contain animal fat & BHA (preservative) is used to keep it from getting rancid. It's always good to read the ingredients & to know what products shouldn't be there...

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

I don't think NB was alluding in any way, they don't add ethoxyquin or BHA/BHT. I was only aware that it's used in fish that's why I posed the question. Wasn't aware that it's also used in animal fat & animal by-products. I know alot of treats from the super market contain animal fat & BHA (preservative) is used to keep it from getting rancid. It's always good to read the ingredients & to know what products shouldn't be there...

I'm sorry to cause confusion -- I meant that NB's statement that other companies add ethoxyquin to stabilize their kibbles (while NB does not) -- I believe they were referring to is the animal fat and animal byproducts -- I learned this reading an article somewhere (a dog food analysis blog?) explaining the different uses of ethoxyquin at different stages of kibble production.

In other words, NB was saying, "Look, we only use it in our fish and it gets cooked off, while these other manufacturers are much worse and add it later to other things in the kibble."

I was just trying to add to your discussion above.

[Ellie May]

We may have to go back to kibble (Ellie isn't doing well on her current diet, but she doesn't do well on dog food either) unless her nutritionist can figure it all out for us. It is really frustrating though. I feel terrible at the thought of making her eat this crap that we call dog food. IMO, great dog foods are pretty much nonexistent.

It would be nice to know if ethoxyquin is destroyed in the extrusion process, but the responses on this thread are from dog food manufacturers. There opinions are based on bias and so their reasoning about it is worthless (again imo). I think the only way to get a true answer about how much is destroyed and if it is required to be added to fish meal is to talk to an indepentent researcher, etc. The same goes for denaturant. One company says they would never use such a thing. The next company says it is required by law. So somebody may not be being very truthful.

I'm not sure how many ppm is allowed in human food, but anything beyond that would be very questionable to me. Well, actually any amount is questionable to me since it is labelled poison.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Maximo

I'm sorry to cause confusion -- I meant that NB's statement that other companies add ethoxyquin to stabilize their kibbles (while NB does not) -- I believe they were referring to is the animal fat and animal byproducts -- I learned this reading an article somewhere (a dog food analysis blog?) explaining the different uses of ethoxyquin at different stages of kibble production.

In other words, NB was saying, "Look, we only use it in our fish and it gets cooked off, while these other manufacturers are much worse and add it later to other things in the kibble."

I was just trying to add to your discussion above.

I see what you meant...I had to google 'alluding' lol.
I read somewhere that all kibble is 'junk' food.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

We may have to go back to kibble (Ellie isn't doing well on her current diet, but she doesn't do well on dog food either) unless her nutritionist can figure it all out for us. It is really frustrating though. I feel terrible at the thought of making her eat this crap that we call dog food. IMO, great dog foods are pretty much nonexistent.

It would be nice to know if ethoxyquin is destroyed in the extrusion process, but the responses on this thread are from dog food manufacturers. There opinions are based on bias and so their reasoning about it is worthless (again imo). I think the only way to get a true answer about how much is destroyed and if it is required to be added to fish meal is to talk to an indepentent researcher, etc. The same goes for denaturant. One company says they would never use such a thing. The next company says it is required by law. So somebody may not be being very truthful.

I'm not sure how many ppm is allowed in human food, but anything beyond that would be very questionable to me. Well, actually any amount is questionable to me since it is labelled poison.

These are my concerns exactly!

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

I see what you meant...I had to google 'alluding' lol.
I read somewhere that all kibble is 'junk' food.

I should have written "referring to" to be more precise.

All kibble probably is junk food, but I don't trust myself to understand enough about nutrition to safely home cook for my dogs. I admire people who do it successfully.

[Maximo]

Quick question -- why do certain dogs need grain free diets -- allergies? What kind of symptoms do they have and at what stage does this usually start?

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Quick question -- why do certain dogs need grain free diets -- allergies? What kind of symptoms do they have and at what stage does this usually start?

For us, I prefer grain free bc Momo has IBS & needs easily digestible foods. When he has a flare up, I know he's uncomfortable & his skinny poo is a sign of inflammatory intestines (not sure which, small or large, but dwerten has alot of knowledge). We also need to stay clear of white potatoes since it's an inflammatory food.
Princess has a yeast problem & I don't want to aggravate her skin/ear issues w/additional grains, even tho it might not affect her. IDK, it's all very fuzzy to me.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

For us, I prefer grain free bc Momo has IBS & needs easily digestible foods. When he has a flare up, I know he's uncomfortable & his skinny poo is a sign of inflammatory intestines (not sure which, small or large, but dwerten has alot of knowledge). We also need to stay clear of white potatoes since it's an inflammatory food.
Princess has a yeast problem & I don't want to aggravate her skin/ear issues w/additional grains, even tho it might not affect her. IDK, it's all very fuzzy to me.

Yorkies are complicated enough, lol!

Where has Dwerten been? It's been a least a couple of days since I have seen her post. Did she have permission to take time off from YT?