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Old 01-31-2010, 02:34 PM   #16
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I would start with chicken. Chicken is the most palatable for dogs and the easiest/cheapest to find for humans. You can do a gradual switch but most raw feeders just switch cold turkey. Your dog should do fine with this but if you want you could add some canned pumpkin to help with any stomach upset. If you are still planning on feeding kibble half of the time or whatever, do keep in mind that kibble and raw digest at different rates so they need to be fed a couple of hours apart. Some people disagree with this but it's just easier to be safe.

Dogs generally need 2-4% of their body weight. More active dogs require more and less active dogs require less. I find that Franklin and Maggie do better closer to 4-4.5%. You can weigh everything at first but once you get the hang of it, you can judge by how they look/feel. For example, Franklin is 11lbs and need around 4oz. of food a day. I think for puppies you use their expected adult weight -- I'm not sure, but I'll check on it later tonight.

For the diet to be balanced you'll need to give 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% secreting organ, and 5% liver. However, I would hold off on the organ for a couple of weeks. Feed one protein (chicken) and let your dog get used to the raw. After the initial adjustment period you can introduce new proteins and organs. Raw feeders aim for 50% of the diet to be red meat. This is important for the dogs as white meat such as chicken or turkey is very lean.

When giving bone, ALWAYS give large pieces. This way the dog learns to tear and rip at the meat and there is no risk of them gulping and choking. Start off with something like a chicken wing or drumstick. Then you can add in thighs or backs or breast or whatever you want. The bone content will also help with any stomach upset there might be.

Sorry this is so long... I tried to briefly introduce you to raw. Let me know if you have any specific questions. I know it can be overwhelming at first!
Thank you very much for your help. I will try and introduce some chicken tonight, and see how it goes. Thanks again for your quick replies.
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I am confused! What do you mean by feeding raw and then supplementing with bones? We feed prey model raw and bones are a very important part of our diet. Prey model raw feeders follow a basic guideline -- 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, and 10% secreting organ with 5% of this being liver. When these guidelines are followed, the raw diet is completely balanced! There is no need for supplementation. Also, there are two types of bones, digestible bones such as chicken wings or back/necks, and then there are dense, weight-bearing bones such as femur bones that are considered "recreational" or "wreck" bones. These bones can be detrimental to larger dogs because they are extremely hard and can cause tooth damage to any dog that tries to literally eat them. However, with smaller dogs I tend to feel they are safe because small dogs lack the ability to even "try" to eat them. Any chewing they do would be more like scraping the bone. There are many YT members who give these.

Everything you were told is correct -- dogs have enzymes called lysozymes which kill bacteria. They also have shorter digestive tracts and a higher concentration of stomach acid which aid in killing bacteria and preventing it from colonizing within the body. Dogs are genetically engineered to eat raw meat! Research shows their genetic makeup is essentially still the same as a wolf. Their dentition suggests that their mouth and jaws are meant for ripping and tearing at meat and bones. They do not have the flat molars that we do for grinding and chewing. They also lack amylase, a salivary enzyme which breaks down the cell wall of plant matter. This suggests that they are carnivores and thrive on meat.

Please let me know if you have any other questions! We have been raw feeding for a couple of months now and I've spent hours reading and researching. I can help direct you in the right direction!

vtran, I am suprised that you go through 15lbs of raw meat a day. The guidelines state suggest that the daily portion of food should 3%-4% of the total body weight. For example, Franklin is 11lbs and requires roughly 4oz. of food a day. This is only one pound every four days.


Great post!!!

I have been feeding my yorkie prey model raw for a few months now and I am very happy with the result.
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Ok I need some help. I just started feeding mine raw. We bought the patties of turkey and beef from Legacy here in Alberta, Canada. The holistic pet store we got from from told me that the company triple grinds all the meat/bones and we should not barely see any bone fragments. I looked on thier site and they said if we are feeding beef or buffalo we should supplement one meal with poultry. Mystique has been vomiting it up..so I finally took one quarter of one patty and went through it today. I am posting link to the amount and size of bones I found in that single serving size.
I think there is too much and too big of pieces. Would someone look and tell me what you think please. I emailed them to the store where I got it and so far no response.
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Re: my previous post
Thankyou to Wiley's mom for removing my messed up link for me ♥
I will try to post a pic or two in my album of the bones. I can't seem to figure out how to do do a link today.
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I will try to post a pic or two in my album of the bones. I can't seem to figure out how to do do a link today.
I also feed prey model raw. I looked at the pics in your album. Those are pretty big chunks of bone. You picked those out of the patties? While I don't think they would harm a dog, they are large pieces of bone for a pre-made. I have used Primal as well as Nature's Variety and also Stella and Chewy's (all pre-made frozen raw) and NONE of them have those big shards of bone. I would not feel real comfortable feeding a pre-made that had that amount of bone chunks in it.

That being said, I would be VERY comfortable feeding a cornish hen in parts or even a chicken wing to a small dog. The dog can crunch the bones up with no problem. I would be concerned with a dog just swallowing the bone fragments in the patties.

Also, that amount of bone is going to be over 10% most likely and that's too much bone. Too much bone can cause blockages in severe cases and constipation in most cases. The optimum raw diet is MOSTLY meat, a little bit of bone and just a tiny bit of organs. I think the pre-made supplier you are using is cutting corners by adding a lot of bone to bulk up their product. I think you'd be better off buying a cornish hen at the grocery store and whacking it up into pieces and feeding that instead. Maybe feed some meat only meals in between bone-in meals to keep the ratio at 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs.
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I also feed prey model raw. I looked at the pics in your album. Those are pretty big chunks of bone. You picked those out of the patties? While I don't think they would harm a dog, they are large pieces of bone for a pre-made. I have used Primal as well as Nature's Variety and also Stella and Chewy's (all pre-made frozen raw) and NONE of them have those big shards of bone. I would not feel real comfortable feeding a pre-made that had that amount of bone chunks in it.

That being said, I would be VERY comfortable feeding a cornish hen in parts or even a chicken wing to a small dog. The dog can crunch the bones up with no problem. I would be concerned with a dog just swallowing the bone fragments in the patties.

Also, that amount of bone is going to be over 10% most likely and that's too much bone. Too much bone can cause blockages in severe cases and constipation in most cases. The optimum raw diet is MOSTLY meat, a little bit of bone and just a tiny bit of organs. I think the pre-made supplier you are using is cutting corners by adding a lot of bone to bulk up their product. I think you'd be better off buying a cornish hen at the grocery store and whacking it up into pieces and feeding that instead. Maybe feed some meat only meals in between bone-in meals to keep the ratio at 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs.
Great post! It just goes to show that you can't trust any commercial pet food companies. I'm much more comfortable preparing it myself.
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Hi. I'm glad I found this group! We have a 9 week Yorkie puppy (girl) who I would like to start on the RAW diet. I think I've read the posts correctly to start with chicken legs /wings.

I also saw where it was recommended to feed 50% red meat. Forgive my ignorance as I'm not a big meat eater, but when you go to the meat section, what would you look for?

Do you buy bone in red meat or just do the chicken with bone?

Thanks for any sample diets you can offer as well as specific types of red meat.

Also, does anyone feed their Yorkie's raw egg? I've read that those could cause stomach upset? Any past experiences there?

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this post.

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Hi. I'm glad I found this group! We have a 9 week Yorkie puppy (girl) who I would like to start on the RAW diet. I think I've read the posts correctly to start with chicken legs /wings.

I also saw where it was recommended to feed 50% red meat. Forgive my ignorance as I'm not a big meat eater, but when you go to the meat section, what would you look for?

Do you buy bone in red meat or just do the chicken with bone?

Thanks for any sample diets you can offer as well as specific types of red meat.

Also, does anyone feed their Yorkie's raw egg? I've read that those could cause stomach upset? Any past experiences there?

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this post.

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For our boneless red meat we give ground pork, pork shoulder, pork chops (not often), cow tongue, beef heart, beef cheekmeat. We also get a ground blend from a raw manufacturer and those come in beef, wild boar, and venison. MOST of our RMBs come from chicken but we also give pork ribs occasionally. I also try to give red meat organs such as beef kidney, beef spleen, and pork liver instead of chicken liver when I can. Other meals include chicken breast, chicken quarters (thigh and drumstick), chicken wings, chicken heart, chicken gizzards, and whatever I can find on sale!

I give Franklin and Maggie a raw egg every couple of weeks. I know it is very good for them. We've never had any problem with stomach upset here!

Here is a sample of what the dogs might get in a week. We vary quite a bit according to what I have in the freezer and/or defrosted. They always get a ground or boneless meal in the mornings. This is because I usually do not have time to supervise a bone meal. This is what they'd get for dinner:

Monday: Chicken gizzards
Tuesday: Pork ribs, organ
Wednesday: Chicken hearts
Thursday: Chicken drumstick, organ
Friday: Beef heart
Saturday: Chicken heart
Sunday: Pork ribs

They also get the occasional canned tuna, salmon, or jack mackerel because we don't feed raw fish yet.
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That schedule looks easy enough for even me to follow! Thanks for submitting it as it clears up a lot of questions I had about which meats to purchase.

For a puppy I'm reading to fee 3x per day and other places 4x per day. Any thoughts on this? It looks like the meals will not be large ones- maybe 1 ounce at each?

Thanks again!
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For our boneless red meat we give ground pork, pork shoulder, pork chops (not often), cow tongue, beef heart, beef cheekmeat. We also get a ground blend from a raw manufacturer and those come in beef, wild boar, and venison. MOST of our RMBs come from chicken but we also give pork ribs occasionally. I also try to give red meat organs such as beef kidney, beef spleen, and pork liver instead of chicken liver when I can. Other meals include chicken breast, chicken quarters (thigh and drumstick), chicken wings, chicken heart, chicken gizzards, and whatever I can find on sale!

I give Franklin and Maggie a raw egg every couple of weeks. I know it is very good for them. We've never had any problem with stomach upset here!

Here is a sample of what the dogs might get in a week. We vary quite a bit according to what I have in the freezer and/or defrosted. They always get a ground or boneless meal in the mornings. This is because I usually do not have time to supervise a bone meal. This is what they'd get for dinner:

Monday: Chicken gizzards
Tuesday: Pork ribs, organ
Wednesday: Chicken hearts
Thursday: Chicken drumstick, organ
Friday: Beef heart
Saturday: Chicken heart
Sunday: Pork ribs

They also get the occasional canned tuna, salmon, or jack mackerel because we don't feed raw fish yet.




I was doing raw for a little while and was liking the results but my concerns began to grow with clean up? Feeding a big piece of raw meat where do you put it? on a plate for them. Few times I have had Lola try to run off with it. I don't want her dragging raw meat around.

after they eat do you clean them up as well and if so what is the best idea for clean ups?
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That schedule looks easy enough for even me to follow! Thanks for submitting it as it clears up a lot of questions I had about which meats to purchase.

For a puppy I'm reading to fee 3x per day and other places 4x per day. Any thoughts on this? It looks like the meals will not be large ones- maybe 1 ounce at each?

Thanks again!
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We started raw after both of mine were already adults so we only feed twice per day. I'm not sure how it works with puppies but it would make sense that you would need to feed more. The only issue would be feeding raw meaty bones as those will almost always be more than 1 oz. and it's not really advised to cut them because it creates sharp edges. On those days you could just feed more -- it's not a huge deal if you don't feed the exact same amount every day.

I forgot to mention, a lot of raw feeders use chicken feet -- this would probably be the perfect RMB for a smaller Yorkie! Also, small cornish hens cut up into pieces is great. If you have any ethnic grocery stores locally, they typically have a great selection of meat!
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I was doing raw for a little while and was liking the results but my concerns began to grow with clean up? Feeding a big piece of raw meat where do you put it? on a plate for them. Few times I have had Lola try to run off with it. I don't want her dragging raw meat around.

after they eat do you clean them up as well and if so what is the best idea for clean ups?
Boneless meals we feed in bowls inside. RMBs are usually fed outside unless the weather is too severe although my dogs generally will eat regardless of the weather. Once they're done I *sometimes* wipe their paws and face with a baby wipe, or a wet paper towel/rag. If feeding outside is not an option, you can feed in crates, playpens, or gated off tiled areas. That way you can easily wipe/mop/disinfect/whatever. Most owners train their dogs to eat on a towel. I started off by gating off our kitchen AND feeding them on a towel but eventually they got the hang of it and they know to stay on their towels. Those go in the wash every other week or so. I used to be really particular about cleaning but after a while you kind of just get used to it. Germs are everywhere, regardless of how hard you try to get rid of them. Plus a healthy exposure to bacteria can be beneficial! I wipe off areas that need to be disinfected with vinegar and hydrogen peroxide or the occasional Clorox wipe.
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I am very interested in the raw food idea.
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We prepare it ourselves but there are some great pre-made raw brands out there! I would recommend Primal, Bravo, Stella and Chewy's, and Paw Naturaw.
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I am interested in trying raw! I heard the meat has to be purchased from certified dealers but by the sounds of this post many are using regular grocery store meat. Is grocery store meat okay? Does it require much preparation? Any opinions and info will help me.
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