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TLC 11-04-2008 08:43 AM
VERY concerned about Cosequin
 
....well...I WAS about to re-order the Cosequin ~ BUT I have decided to STOP using it as I am very, very concerned and I am NOT happy :mad:

I don't know how I missed it, but they put Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) in as an ingredient :mad: I am sooooooooooooo MAD!!!!

I stay clear away from SLS and I can not believe it has creeped into the Cosequin :mad: :mad: :mad:

Dangers of Sodium Lauryl Sulfate

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS ) | Effects of sodium lauryl sulfate

Bizzymammabee 11-04-2008 08:44 AM
Oooh jeeze then what is there to give them? Can the amount be so small that it won't be problematic?

TLC 11-04-2008 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee (Post 2314522)
Oooh jeeze then what is there to give them? Can the amount be so small that it won't be problematic?
Yes, it can build up after daily use :mad:

Ellie May 11-04-2008 08:47 AM
Yup, that is an ingredient in Cosequin.
Not happy with it but it still has the most research backing the product and Ellie's vet has never had a problem with it. Glycoflex is supposed to be okay and I have heard good things about SynoviG3 but we are staying with Cosequin until I see side effects or I get really concerned about the ingredients because I really like Nutromaxx.

TLC 11-04-2008 08:50 AM
This scares me....

Although SLES is somewhat less irritating than Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, it cannot be metabolised by the liver and its effects are therefore much longer-lasting.

browniesmom622 11-04-2008 08:50 AM
Well i'm glad i didn't buy it now!!

TLC 11-04-2008 08:51 AM
I really, really do not understand why they need to put SLS in their product :(

yorkiecrazy 11-04-2008 08:54 AM
Oh no!!!! I'm using this!!! This really up sets me. Thank you for posting this. I'm taking Gracie in tomorrow for blood work and will bring this up with my vet. Thanks again!!!

Ellie May 11-04-2008 08:57 AM
This does look like quite a nasty ingredient but now I'm forced to weigh that because most of these glucosamine products do not work. Ellie's LP cannot worsen and she can't get arthritis because she can't have NSAIDs. I am going to look into this ingredient a little bit deeper and if I don't like what I see, I might switch to something (who knows what). The vet did recommend Glycoflex. Maybe we should email Nutramaxx about this?

I have come to believe that nothing is 100% safe and when we switch to something, a few months later it will be on the bad list.

TLC 11-04-2008 09:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2314556)
This does look like quite a nasty ingredient but now I'm forced to weigh that because most of these glucosamine products do not work. Ellie's LP cannot worsen and she can't get arthritis because she can't have NSAIDs. I am going to look into this ingredient a little bit deeper and if I don't like what I see, I might switch to something (who knows what). The vet did recommend Glycoflex. Maybe we should email Nutramaxx about this?

I have come to believe that nothing is 100% safe and when we switch to something, a few months later it will be on the bad list.
I agree with you, but I HATE SLS so much...It has caused ME such issues. I also believe that when I used a product on Roxy that had SLS it caused her such missery for a year with her skin. And now reading a little more about what it can do to the brain, liver and heart, I just can't do it, no matter how good it is for LP.

I am going to look back at the SynoviG3 Allergy formula.

...It is really is so upsetting, as there is NO NEED for SLS to be in this product :(

Ladymom 11-04-2008 09:17 AM
Oh, dear! Lady has done so well on Cosequin, too. Glycoflex didn't really help that much, but I saw an amazing difference with Cosequin. She was able to get off steroids when she started taking Cosequin.

I guess I'll have to research SLS. I'd never even heard of it.

Ellie May 11-04-2008 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2314596)
Oh, dear! Lady has done so well on Cosequin, too. Glycoflex didn't really help that much, but I saw an amazing difference with Cosequin. She was able to get off steroids when she started taking Cosequin.

I guess I'll have to research SLS. I'd never even heard of it.
Posts like this make me want to stay with it because she needs to be on something that really works. :(

Ladymom 11-04-2008 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2314644)
Posts like this make me want to stay with it because she needs to be on something that really works. :(
I feel the same way. It has to be safer than putting her back on steroids. When her arthritis flares up her blood sugar goes way up, too, (she's diabetic) so it's really important to keep it under control.

She has done amazingly well on Cosequin. She has terrible arthritis in one hip and shoulder. There were times when it flared up that I had to walk her in a sling she was in so much pain. She runs since she has been getting Cosequin!

tumismom 11-04-2008 10:08 AM
oh dear..i just bought 4 more bottles...gosh..it never ends..

Yorkieluv 11-04-2008 10:22 AM
Yep, SLS is not good at all, but check your (human) shampoo bottles and your soaps...I guarantee if you use ANY store bought shampoos or soaps, SLS is listed as an ingredient.

Ellie May 11-04-2008 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 2314728)
Yep, SLS is not good at all, but check your (human) shampoo bottles and your soaps...I guarantee if you use ANY store bought shampoos or soaps, SLS is listed as an ingredient.
This is just so hard. I want Ellie on something that really works. Synovi G3 contains liver and beef. The allergy formula doesn't but who knows what we will find out about the ingredients in a few months and I don't even know if studies were done on it.

Off to look at Glycoflex...

Ladymom 11-04-2008 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2314738)
This is just so hard. I want Ellie on something that really works. Synovi G3 contains liver and beef. The allergy formula doesn't but who knows what we will find out about the ingredients in a few months and I don't even know if studies were done on it.

Off to look at Glycoflex...
Glycoflex is what my vet originally recommended for Lady years ago. I only switched when they came out with all those new formulas and most of them were double strength. It got so confusing I switched to Cosequin because I'd heard such great things about it. I am just amazed at the results.

I can't figure out why they would even put SLS in it. From what I understand, SLS is for cleaning and making shampoos foam. :confused: :confused:

amandawash 11-04-2008 02:36 PM
I use Platinum Performance products- Platinum Performance Complete Joint. Canine CJ

I started my golden on the regular Platinum a year ago (without the extra joint support of the PP Complete Joint) and her regular right-hind limping completely quit. She is now on the PP Complete Joint. Platinum and Cosequin are the only products I trust, due to their solid research and testing, and their excellent customer support (including vets and nutritionists). The use of SLS is really scary, and if I used the product, I sure would be calling and raising a fuss about this.

elle57 11-04-2008 03:03 PM
i looked at the ingredients in Platinum Performance™ CJ

Canine Wellness Formula + Complete Joint (CJ and i did not see SLS. DO YOU THINK THIS ONE IS BETTER THAN COSEQUIN?
I HAVE SAMMY ON COSEQUIN AND WAS ABOUT TO REORDER, BUT SEEING THIS I AM CONFUSED.

amandawash 11-04-2008 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elle57 (Post 2315219)
i looked at the ingredients in Platinum Performance™ CJ

Canine Wellness Formula + Complete Joint (CJ and i did not see SLS. DO YOU THINK THIS ONE IS BETTER THAN COSEQUIN?
I HAVE SAMMY ON COSEQUIN AND WAS ABOUT TO REORDER, BUT SEEING THIS I AM CONFUSED.
I personally feel that they are comparable products. The thing I like about the Platinum brand is that they offer so many formulas for different nutritional needs, such as Allergies, Joint Support, Skin and Coat, etc.

The CJ is in the base of the regular Wellness formula which is a base of fatty and amino acids, but the joint support agents are actually used in conjunction with other ingredients to optimize benefit.

Glucosamine Sulfate 525mg
Methylsulfonylmethane (OptiMSM™) 305mg
Boswellia serrata Extract 30mg
Cetyl Myristoleate 10mg
Hyaluronic Acid 10mg

I have used these products on my extremely high-level performance horses and can't beleive the difference they make. I know horses are different than dogs, but it has certainly made me believe in the product.

bildio 11-04-2008 03:20 PM
My vet recommended CosaminDS for Squirt's arthritis. I started him last March, and what a noticeable improvement. He's got his youth back.

Ellie May 11-05-2008 06:05 AM
I was just looking around Google and I see that the capsules do contain this but I don't see it as an ingredient in the chewables. The chewables do have garlic though, so I would not use them. Dasuquin (new Cosequin-type concoction) doesn't have this either. Then I was thinking maybe this is used to make the capsules...not the Cosequin itself. It seems that sodium lauryl sulfate can increase absorbtion of ingredients or something like that when the med is in a capsule form. It evidently can also be an ingredient in the capsule itself which most of our dogs don't swallow. So I am going to email Nutramax and ask.

Ladymom 11-05-2008 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2316190)
I was just looking around Google and I see that the capsules do contain this but I don't see it as an ingredient in the chewables. The chewables do have garlic though, so I would not use them. Dasuquin (new Cosequin-type concoction) doesn't have this either. Then I was thinking maybe this is used to make the capsules...not the Cosequin itself. It seems that sodium lauryl sulfate can increase absorbtion of ingredients or something like that when the med is in a capsule form. It evidently can also be an ingredient in the capsule itself which most of our dogs don't swallow. So I am going to email Nutramax and ask.
Thank you! That would be great if that were the case! Lady has done so well on Cosequin I really don't want to switch.

Ellie May 11-05-2008 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2316265)
Thank you! That would be great if that were the case! Lady has done so well on Cosequin I really don't want to switch.
Even if you don't want to use the capsules, Dasuquin I think is the same thing with extra ingredients minus garlic and SLS. That would probably work for her.

TLC 11-05-2008 07:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2316284)
Even if you don't want to use the capsules, Dasuquin I think is the same thing with extra ingredients minus garlic and SLS. That would probably work for her.
Yes we need to get to the bottom of this. I would like to stick with Cosequin, but I won't use it 'if' the SLS is in the actual powder.

Crystal, are you contacting the company or do you want me too? :p

TLC 11-05-2008 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2316190)
I was just looking around Google and I see that the capsules do contain this but I don't see it as an ingredient in the chewables. The chewables do have garlic though, so I would not use them. Dasuquin (new Cosequin-type concoction) doesn't have this either. Then I was thinking maybe this is used to make the capsules...not the Cosequin itself. It seems that sodium lauryl sulfate can increase absorbtion of ingredients or something like that when the med is in a capsule form. It evidently can also be an ingredient in the capsule itself which most of our dogs don't swallow. So I am going to email Nutramax and ask.

Brand Name
Dasuquin (Nutramax)


Active Ingredient(s): Dasuquin for Cats; Glucosamine hydrochloride (125mg), Sodium chondroitin sulfate (100mg), Avocado/Soybean Unsaponifiables (25mg). Also contains Gelatin, soy protein isolate, natural chicken flavor, natural tuna flavor, gum resin, water, tea, mixed tocopherols, magnesium stearate, titanium dioxide, silicon dioxide, natural and artificial flavoring, sodium lauryl sulfate, FD&C Yellow #5, FD&C Blue #1

...maybe it is the capsule???

Ellie May 11-05-2008 07:46 AM
Grrr, I looked right over that in the Dasuquin. I have emailed them and will post when I find something out.

LilDaysha 11-05-2008 08:19 AM
Now I'm worried, I've been giving my almost 20 year old cat Cosequin for the past 2 to 3 months already. I have seen improvements in her and i would hate to no give it to her anymore.

Ellie May 11-05-2008 12:09 PM
Crystal,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

A minute amount of sodium lauryl sulfate is used in the manufacturing of
the pharmaceutical grade hard gelatin capsules by the capsule manufacturer
to keep the capsule shells from becoming brittle and cracking during the
filling process and shipment of the product. Desiccant packets are placed
in the Cosequin bottles to absorb moisture, which keeps the product fresh
and extends shelf life to assure a fully active product. Without sodium
lauryl sulfate, the gelatin capsule would become brittle from moisture loss
and lead to broken and cracked capsules in the bottle. As a "sprinkle
capsule", the contents can be emptied from the gelatin capsule onto the
pet's food, and the empty capsule shell discarded.

If you have any questions, please contact Customer Service at
1-888-886-6442. We are here Monday through Friday from 8:30 am to 5:00 pm
EST.


I think we are sticking with it. :)

TLC 11-05-2008 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2316833)
Crystal,

Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

A minute amount of sodium lauryl sulfate is used in the manufacturing of
the pharmaceutical grade hard gelatin capsules by the capsule manufacturer
to keep the capsule shells from becoming brittle and cracking during the
filling process and shipment of the product. Desiccant packets are placed
in the Cosequin bottles to absorb moisture, which keeps the product fresh
and extends shelf life to assure a fully active product. Without sodium
lauryl sulfate, the gelatin capsule would become brittle from moisture loss
and lead to broken and cracked capsules in the bottle. As a "sprinkle
capsule", the contents can be emptied from the gelatin capsule onto the
pet's food, and the empty capsule shell discarded.

If you have any questions, please contact Customer Service at
1-888-886-6442. We are here Monday through Friday from 8:30 am to 5:00 pm
EST.


I think we are sticking with it. :)
:clapsmile:clapsmile:clapsmile:clapsmile

THANKS for getting to the bottom of the SLS mystery ;)


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