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PrincessDiana · 02-11-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

I would say two sets after 16 weeks is okay even without prior shots. Nobody can guarantee that he will be protected though. But then again, he could be vaccinated 100 times and that doesn't guarantee protection.

The lepto vaccine is a touchy subject with me because Ellie was vaccined for DHLPP-C and rabies all in one day and then she threw up, collapsed and went into shock. If emergency medical help wasn't available, I could have easily lost her. We can only guess it was the lepto because they were all done at the same time. Also, the risk of reaction with the lepto vaccine increases the more you give it... A dog would be more likely to react after its second dose of lepto then its first. It should only be given where there is an extreme problem and that is even questionable.

Yeah I found that out while I searching YT earlier. I'm sorry that happened and because of it, I've been keeping a watchful eye on Franklin. I think knowing what I do now, we'll space out the boosters and Rabies, and also not give Lepto. I am still worried about Franklin contracting it, though. What are the preventative measures I need to take? With our luck, he'd get it even if I vaccinated for it.

Ellie May · 02-11-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PrincessDiana

Yeah I found that out while I searching YT earlier. I'm sorry that happened and because of it, I've been keeping a watchful eye on Franklin. I think knowing what I do now, we'll space out the boosters and Rabies, and also not give Lepto. I am still worried about Franklin contracting it, though. What are the preventative measures I need to take? With our luck, he'd get it even if I vaccinated for it.

Michigan is having a big lepto problem right now, so it is scary.
First, google the symptoms and have him to the vet immediately if you ever suspect it. It is usually one of the last things a vet looks for, so make sure they test for it if they don't know what's going on. Ellie is also not outside much. I think it is best they stay away from standing water and I don't even want Ellie to play in puddles (because the problem is big here). Never let them spent too much time in an area where there could have been/be rats or mice. Ellie is also supervised outside. She isn't allowed to eat random objects out of the grass (ppop). Lepto is found in urine but the two go together.

I don't really think this applies to you in Oklahoma though. I haven't heard of it being a huge issue there...

MyFairLacy · 02-11-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PrincessDiana

Yeah I found that out while I searching YT earlier. I'm sorry that happened and because of it, I've been keeping a watchful eye on Franklin. I think knowing what I do now, we'll space out the boosters and Rabies, and also not give Lepto. I am still worried about Franklin contracting it, though. What are the preventative measures I need to take? With our luck, he'd get it even if I vaccinated for it.

Leptospirosis is transmited through urine. It is a bacteria that attacks the kidneys, causing lesions. It is normally transmitted through direct contact with infected urine or urine-contaminated water.

MyFairLacy · 02-11-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Leptospirosis is transmited through urine. It is a bacteria that attacks the kidneys, causing lesions. It is normally transmitted through direct contact with infected urine or urine-contaminated water.

Oh...it can also attack the liver. There are different species of Lepto - each prefers to live in a different reservoir animal (animal is infected but is not ill). Cows, pigs, and rodents are common reservoirs for the strains of Lepto that cause disease in dogs.

Wogger · 02-12-2008, 10:58 AM

The whole shot thing is so confusing to me. I want to do what is best for my dog, but also my human kids. I have two kids with compromised immune systems so I am very faithful to try to keep my dogs parasite free and disease free as I can. I worried that Lepto could pass from my dogs to my children and thought I needed to feel like I did everything possible to prevent it and gave the shots to the pups. Tucker was always a bit puny for a day or so after his shots (any shot), and Molly never showed any sign of trouble at all - didn't slow her down a bit.

My concern with Molly is she had her shots by the breeder's vet:

7 wks: Parvo
9 wks: Distemper, Adenovirus 2, Parainflu., Parvo, Lepto, Corona
11 wks: Distemper, Adenovirus 2, Parainflu., Parvo, Lepto
14 wks: Distemper, Adenovirus 2, Parainflu., Parvo, Lepto

Then when I took her in at 16.5 weeks my vet said she did not seem to be 16 weeks, but more like 10 weeks and wanted to do her entire series again. He gave her: Distemper-Hep, Parvo, Parainflu., Lepto, Bordertella.

Were her shots all too close together? Should I consider her covered or should I get one more round and her rabies? I have spoken with the breeders vet and Molly is indeed the age the breeder said and verified that she did have the above shots. So I will not be using the vet that claimed Molly was NOT as old as claimed.

I think we all have the desire to do what is the very best thing for our pet, the confusion lies in knowing for sure what exactly that is.

Ellie May · 02-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Two weeks apart for shots is really bare minimum. But, she has had five sets of parvo at least which is too many. I would not keep vaccinating. They can always get the disease even if they are vaccinated, so there is no guarantee either way.

I would not like that they were given two weeks apart but I would fear for your dog's life if she keeps getting them at this rate. Just my opinion.

bjh · 02-12-2008, 11:30 AM

Wogger....I am so sorry that your vet did that to your poor baby. It was totally unnecessary and you should find another vet. What are these vets thinking when they shoot up these tiny babies that stay in the house and are never exposed to the things like lepto. There are several strains of lepto so if your dog gets the lepto shot he can still get lepto if he is exposed to a different strain. Lepto is very very rare here in Texas. I totally believe that with some of these vets it is just about the money. I know a girl that was a vet tech and when people came in to get their puppies checked for worms the vet would tell the people their dogs had hook worms even when they did not just so he could charge the extra money for the worming. It really bothered her that he did that. I have a grandson that is borderline autistic and I know it was caused by his vaccinations he received when he was one year old. He was normal active 1 year old and shortly after received multiple vaccinations he became withdrawn and would just sit and rock and he quit talking. It later came to light in the news that multiple vaccinations was being linked to autism. Fortunately, he is 7 years old now and has pretty much recovered but he does still have some behavioral issues.

Kris Christine · 02-13-2008, 05:11 AM

One of the problems with loading your puppies with too many vaccines at once, especially poly-valent (multi-valent) vaccines such as the distemper combo, is that the vaccines can neutralize or negate the immunological response and your puppy may be a low-or non-responder.

The age at which a puppy is vaccinated is also important so that the maternal antibodies do not interfer with the immunological response (see below). When you vaccinate your puppy, you want to make sure that the vaccines take. Age, health status, and number of vaccines administered can affect the immunological affect.

Veterinarian, Dr. Robert Rogers,has an excellent presentation on veterinary vaccines at http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/.

On Page 16 of the of the American Animal Hospital Association's 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines, it reports that: When vaccinating an animal, the age of the animal, the animal's immune status, and interference by maternal antibodies in the development of immunity must be considered. Research has demonstrated that the presence of passively acquired maternal antibodies significantly interferes with the immune response to many canine vaccines, including CPV [parvo], CDV [distemper], CAV-2 [hepatitis] and rabies vaccines."

They further state on Page 17 that: "Multiple vaccinations with MLV vaccines are required at various ages only to ensure that one dose of the vaccine reaches the puppy's immune system without interference from passively acquired antibody. Two or more doses of killed vaccines (except rabies) and vectored vaccines are often required to induce an immune response, and both doses should be given at a time when the passively acquired antibody can no longer interfere. Thus, when puppies are first vaccinated at 16 weeks (or more) of age (an age when passively acquired antibodies generally don't cause interference), one does of an MLV vaccine, or two doses of a killed vaccine, are adequate to stimulate an immune response."

The AAHA Canine Vaccine Guidelines also declare on Page 17 that: "If a pup fails to respond, primarily due to interference by passively acquired maternal antibody, it is necessary to revaccinate at a later time to ensure adequate immunity."

On Page 13 of the 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines, it lists as the most common reason for vaccination failure is "the puppy has a sufficient amount of passively acquired maternal antibody (PAMA) to block the vaccine......" They elaborate by reporting that at the ages of 14 to 16 weeks of age, "PAMA should be at a level that will not block active immunization in most puppies (>95%) when a reliable product is used."

The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at http://www.leerburg.com/special_report.htm .

The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf .

If you would like my e-mailable canine vaccine data, which you are free to share, please contact me at ledgespring@lincoln.midcoast.com.

Kris

02-12-2008, 10:58 AM	#20
Wogger Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 141	Vaccine Confusion The whole shot thing is so confusing to me. I want to do what is best for my dog, but also my human kids. I have two kids with compromised immune systems so I am very faithful to try to keep my dogs parasite free and disease free as I can. I worried that Lepto could pass from my dogs to my children and thought I needed to feel like I did everything possible to prevent it and gave the shots to the pups. Tucker was always a bit puny for a day or so after his shots (any shot), and Molly never showed any sign of trouble at all - didn't slow her down a bit. My concern with Molly is she had her shots by the breeder's vet: 7 wks: Parvo 9 wks: Distemper, Adenovirus 2, Parainflu., Parvo, Lepto, Corona 11 wks: Distemper, Adenovirus 2, Parainflu., Parvo, Lepto 14 wks: Distemper, Adenovirus 2, Parainflu., Parvo, Lepto Then when I took her in at 16.5 weeks my vet said she did not seem to be 16 weeks, but more like 10 weeks and wanted to do her entire series again. He gave her: Distemper-Hep, Parvo, Parainflu., Lepto, Bordertella. Were her shots all too close together? Should I consider her covered or should I get one more round and her rabies? I have spoken with the breeders vet and Molly is indeed the age the breeder said and verified that she did have the above shots. So I will not be using the vet that claimed Molly was NOT as old as claimed. I think we all have the desire to do what is the very best thing for our pet, the confusion lies in knowing for sure what exactly that is.

02-12-2008, 11:03 AM	#21
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Two weeks apart for shots is really bare minimum. But, she has had five sets of parvo at least which is too many. I would not keep vaccinating. They can always get the disease even if they are vaccinated, so there is no guarantee either way. I would not like that they were given two weeks apart but I would fear for your dog's life if she keeps getting them at this rate. Just my opinion. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶 Last edited by Ellie May; 02-12-2008 at 11:05 AM.

02-13-2008, 05:11 AM	#23
Kris Christine YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: THE RABIES CHALLENGE FUND Posts: 434	One of the problems with loading your puppies with too many vaccines at once, especially poly-valent (multi-valent) vaccines such as the distemper combo, is that the vaccines can neutralize or negate the immunological response and your puppy may be a low-or non-responder. The age at which a puppy is vaccinated is also important so that the maternal antibodies do not interfer with the immunological response (see below). When you vaccinate your puppy, you want to make sure that the vaccines take. Age, health status, and number of vaccines administered can affect the immunological affect. Veterinarian, Dr. Robert Rogers,has an excellent presentation on veterinary vaccines at http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/. On Page 16 of the of the American Animal Hospital Association's 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines, it reports that: When vaccinating an animal, the age of the animal, the animal's immune status, and interference by maternal antibodies in the development of immunity must be considered. Research has demonstrated that the presence of passively acquired maternal antibodies significantly interferes with the immune response to many canine vaccines, including CPV [parvo], CDV [distemper], CAV-2 [hepatitis] and rabies vaccines." They further state on Page 17 that: "Multiple vaccinations with MLV vaccines are required at various ages only to ensure that one dose of the vaccine reaches the puppy's immune system without interference from passively acquired antibody. Two or more doses of killed vaccines (except rabies) and vectored vaccines are often required to induce an immune response, and both doses should be given at a time when the passively acquired antibody can no longer interfere. Thus, when puppies are first vaccinated at 16 weeks (or more) of age (an age when passively acquired antibodies generally don't cause interference), one does of an MLV vaccine, or two doses of a killed vaccine, are adequate to stimulate an immune response." The AAHA Canine Vaccine Guidelines also declare on Page 17 that: *"If a pup fails to respond, primarily due to interference by passively acquired maternal antibody, it is necessary to revaccinate at a later time to ensure adequate immunity."* On Page 13 of the 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines, it lists as the most common reason for vaccination failure is "the puppy has a sufficient amount of passively acquired maternal antibody (PAMA) to block the vaccine......" They elaborate by reporting that at the ages of 14 to 16 weeks of age, "*PAMA should be at a level that will not block active immunization in most puppies (>95%) when a reliable product is used."* The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at http://www.leerburg.com/special_report.htm . The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf . If you would like my e-mailable canine vaccine data, which you are free to share, please contact me at ledgespring@lincoln.midcoast.com. Kris Last edited by Kris Christine; 02-13-2008 at 05:13 AM. Reason: added Dr. Rogers' Vaccine link

02-12-2008, 11:30 AM	#22
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	Wogger....I am so sorry that your vet did that to your poor baby. It was totally unnecessary and you should find another vet. What are these vets thinking when they shoot up these tiny babies that stay in the house and are never exposed to the things like lepto. There are several strains of lepto so if your dog gets the lepto shot he can still get lepto if he is exposed to a different strain. Lepto is very very rare here in Texas. I totally believe that with some of these vets it is just about the money. I know a girl that was a vet tech and when people came in to get their puppies checked for worms the vet would tell the people their dogs had hook worms even when they did not just so he could charge the extra money for the worming. It really bothered her that he did that. I have a grandson that is borderline autistic and I know it was caused by his vaccinations he received when he was one year old. He was normal active 1 year old and shortly after received multiple vaccinations he became withdrawn and would just sit and rock and he quit talking. It later came to light in the news that multiple vaccinations was being linked to autism. Fortunately, he is 7 years old now and has pretty much recovered but he does still have some behavioral issues.