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ShowGirlLola 11-25-2014 09:30 AM

Spray conditioner for dry winter hair
 
I'm not sure If Lola has a silk or combo coat, but it's beautiful, strong, and usually doesn't knot. Until now at least, the heater must be drying her coat out because she's knotting like crazy and her hair is full of static after wearing clothes.
We didn't have this problem last year because she was a greasy puppy.

I'm looking for a spray conditioner to keep her hair hydrated between baths. I've been using my deep conditioner mixed with water, but it's not enough now. When she gets a bath I don't rinse the conditioner all the way out.

I need something with a light fragrance, preferably fruity, and no silicones.

gemy 11-26-2014 10:57 AM

Try coconut oil, both inside ie a tsp given in dog food and outside on the hair. Coat the oil right to the hair shafts and right to the tips, then I would use a wrapping jacket (silk or satin) over her hair before putting on wool sweaters, jackets, coats etc.


Do this coating of coconut oil for two weeks or so. Then wash and condition as you regularly would. But it might come down to, if you allow her to sleep over warm air vents as my Razzman loves to do, you might need to trade off a bit of greasy hair with no tangles versus luscious soft hair with lots of matts n tangles.

ShowGirlLola 11-26-2014 11:11 AM

Thanks. Lola loves coconut oil, so she'll be happy to get it more often.
I did use it on her coat to get the matts out one day when it was bad, she had been wearing a t shirt that day, I couldn't believe it knotted her like that. I gave her a bath the next day. Her hair feels really nice right now, but I'm sure it'll dry out soon.

I'm planning to cut her hair shorter for the winter, but haven't had the energy.

I've been looking for some sort of silk shirt for her but haven't found one, guess I'll have to make something.

I have radiators, so there are no vents for her to lay on, I'm going to try putting a tray of water on them.

Maximo 11-28-2014 08:33 AM

We are suffering sudden dryness here too. Human and doggy hair is like straw. :( I think it is the lack of humidity, and our terrible water. I'm going to try different conditioner.

Island Girl posted about using a Pantene deep conditioning mask on Sachi's beautiful coat: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...nditioner.html

I may try that.

Wylie's Mom 11-28-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4509009)
We are suffering sudden dryness here too. Human and doggy hair is like straw. :( I think it is the lack of humidity, and our terrible water. I'm going to try different conditioner.

Island Girl posted about using a Pantene deep conditioning mask on Sachi's beautiful coat: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...nditioner.html

I may try that.

Have you tried any of the deeper conditioners by IvSanBernard? They have some really nice ones....but pricey, for sure. Pantene actually makes some really nice masks though...as does Garnier Fructise, I think?

Maximo 11-28-2014 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4509013)
Have you tried any of the deeper conditioners by IvSanBernard? They have some really nice ones....but pricey, for sure. Pantene actually makes some really nice masks though...as does Garnier Fructise, I think?

I haven't tried ISB because I'm afraid to spend that much money and possibly not like it. We love Vellus, but it is pricey too.

I'm going to look at the Pantene and Garnier masks.

ShowGirlLola 11-28-2014 06:48 PM

I'm looking for something for in between baths, she's ok for a bit after a bath then dries out. I don't like to bathe her too often in the winter because the blow dryer freaks her out, she doesn't like loud noises, she even runs if you sneeze.

This is the conditioner I've been using, in the bath and mixed with water for a spray
Ion Extreme Moisture Creme

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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4509009)
We are suffering sudden dryness here too. Human and doggy hair is like straw. :( I think it is the lack of humidity, and our terrible water. I'm going to try different conditioner.

Island Girl posted about using a Pantene deep conditioning mask on Sachi's beautiful coat: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...nditioner.html

I may try that.

:(
Sachi has beautiful hair, but I don't like Pantene, it's full of silicone and will dry the hair out long term. My hair is much better since quitting silicones.

Maximo 11-28-2014 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowGirlLola (Post 4509072)
I'm looking for something for in between baths, she's ok for a bit after a bath then dries out. I don't like to bathe her too often in the winter because the blow dryer freaks her out, she doesn't like loud noises, she even runs if you sneeze.

This is the conditioner I've been using, in the bath and mixed with water for a spray
Ion Extreme Moisture Creme


:(
Sachi has beautiful hair, but I don't like Pantene, it's full of silicone and will dry the hair out long term. My hair is much better since quitting silicones.

I checked the Pantene mask and it does contain the water insoluble type cones. :( Strangely, my hair, which is like Yorkie hair, is great with the Pantene regular conditioners. I tried the Pantene regular conditioner once on Max and Teddy and it did not work well on them.

I put coconut oil on Max today because he needs a bath tomorrow. I'll see if it helps at all.

Teddy's hair felt less like straw after a brief walk. I wonder if fresh, cool air can have that affect? We have been cooped up in the heated house because I was sick the last few days.

The Ion Moisture Creme has alcohol as its second ingredient. That might be something to be concerned about in terms of drying. The third ingredient, glycerin, has mixed reputation for winter use:

Why is Glycerin Bad for you in the Winter? - CurlTalk

ShowGirlLola 12-03-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4509081)
The Ion Moisture Creme has alcohol as its second ingredient. That might be something to be concerned about in terms of drying. The third ingredient, glycerin, has mixed reputation for winter use:

Why is Glycerin Bad for you in the Winter? - CurlTalk

The alcohol in the ion conditioner is a fatty alcohol, it's supposed to be moisturizing. I've never heard that about glycerin, thanks.

The coconut oil seems to have helped a little bit, it's been about a week and Lola's hair hasn't dried out yet (it still looks a little greasy, but that's preferable), I'm probably going to have to give her a bath twice a month to keep it under control.
I think I'm going to try my hair stuff on her next (bed head moisture maniac), and I'll grease her up with the coconut oil the day before again.

I took these pictures last night after brushing her, she's on my dining room (grooming) table in the first 2 pictures. Excuse the mess, it's Christmas related.
This is also why I haven't cut her hair yet, she has pretty ombre hair.

Lilah Charm 12-12-2014 10:46 PM

What a beauty that coat is! We just trimmed down for the winter and I'm a little depressed about it. The last time I did it I said I wouldn't do it again, lol. We are due for a coconut oil soak too!

Pam Shaw 12-13-2014 04:49 AM

If you're looking for something in between baths, you could try Yorkie Splash & Shine's: "Yorkie Sheen" Detangler & Finishing Spray. You just shake it up, spray it on, and brush.
Google: Yorkie Splash and Shine

ShowGirlLola 12-13-2014 06:21 PM

It's been about 2 weeks since using the coconut oil and Lola's hair is still pretty good, I may be able to get another week out of it before it's too dry.

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Originally Posted by Lilah Charm (Post 4513012)
What a beauty that coat is! We just trimmed down for the winter and I'm a little depressed about it. The last time I did it I said I wouldn't do it again, lol. We are due for a coconut oil soak too!

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Pam Shaw (Post 4513043)
If you're looking for something in between baths, you could try Yorkie Splash & Shine's: "Yorkie Sheen" Detangler & Finishing Spray. You just shake it up, spray it on, and brush.
Google: Yorkie Splash and Shine

Thanks
It's too expensive to order without being able to smell it first and they won't give me an idea how much the shipping would be until they have my credit card info, I hate that.
Also it has protein in it and too much protein means dry, brittle hair. It's ok once in awhile but not for a daily spray.

Maximo 12-14-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowGirlLola (Post 4510164)
The alcohol in the ion conditioner is a fatty alcohol, it's supposed to be moisturizing. I've never heard that about glycerin, thanks.

The coconut oil seems to have helped a little bit, it's been about a week and Lola's hair hasn't dried out yet (it still looks a little greasy, but that's preferable), I'm probably going to have to give her a bath twice a month to keep it under control.
I think I'm going to try my hair stuff on her next (bed head moisture maniac), and I'll grease her up with the coconut oil the day before again.

I took these pictures last night after brushing her, she's on my dining room (grooming) table in the first 2 pictures. Excuse the mess, it's Christmas related.
This is also why I haven't cut her hair yet, she has pretty ombre hair.

She is adorable and her coat is in great condition!

Poor Teddy was so dry again today. I greased him up with coconut oil and he has been happy ever since. Not pretty, but he is comfortable. :)

Zoey Zendaya 12-14-2014 08:44 PM

I use Chris Christianson coat dressing. It is fabulous! Spray some on your hand ..it is foamy ...and just lightly pet your baby with it. Calms down that frizz beautifully..especially great on head and and face...hate those fly away hairs in her eyes....

yorkiemini 12-15-2014 05:30 PM

When Cali gets dry hair in the winter I put a few drops of Argon oil on mynfinger and lightly rub it on her coat. Sometimes I use Vellus static stabilizer.

I have a friend who swears by Fur Butter.

Lilah Charm 12-15-2014 08:02 PM

We did do a coconut oil soak tonight, I adore Argan oil for everything and am out rigt now- with Christmas right around the corner I will not be getting anymore til the new year! :santasmile:

Maximo 12-16-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemini (Post 4513759)
When Cali gets dry hair in the winter I put a few drops of Argon oil on mynfinger and lightly rub it on her coat. Sometimes I use Vellus static stabilizer.

I have a friend who swears by Fur Butter.

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Originally Posted by Lilah Charm (Post 4513817)
We did do a coconut oil soak tonight, I adore Argan oil for everything and am out rigt now- with Christmas right around the corner I will not be getting anymore til the new year! :santasmile:

Which brand of Argon oil do the two of you like? I have not tried it yet, but I remember discussion here that some are better than others.

I will have to look at Fur Butter too.

Lilah Charm 12-16-2014 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4514011)
Which brand of Argon oil do the two of you like? I have not tried it yet, but I remember discussion here that some are better than others.

I will have to look at Fur Butter too.

We buy ours from an etsy shop (erg...can't think of the name right now) that is 100% Argan oil imported from morroco, I get organic rose water from them too. The issue of quality I beleive is the percentage of actual Argan oil in the product and what fillers (or lack there of) are present in the product. When I was searching I was surprised to find a lot of the big name products didn't have a very high percentage of Argan and were often very spendy. I will have to check my purchase history for size/price/brand name info...

ShowGirlLola 12-16-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4513519)
She is adorable and her coat is in great condition!

Poor Teddy was so dry again today. I greased him up with coconut oil and he has been happy ever since. Not pretty, but he is comfortable. :)

Thanks
Our beautiful little dogs seem to enjoy looking scruffy. Lola likes to lick the oil off her hair.
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Originally Posted by Zoey Zendaya (Post 4513529)
I use Chris Christianson coat dressing. It is fabulous! Spray some on your hand ..it is foamy ...and just lightly pet your baby with it. Calms down that frizz beautifully..especially great on head and and face...hate those fly away hairs in her eyes....

Thanks, it sounds good but I can't find an ingredient list.
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Originally Posted by yorkiemini (Post 4513759)
When Cali gets dry hair in the winter I put a few drops of Argon oil on mynfinger and lightly rub it on her coat. Sometimes I use Vellus static stabilizer.

I have a friend who swears by Fur Butter.

Thanks
Most argon oils are mostly fillers, like silicone and mineral oil.
I think any shea butter product would work about the same as fur butter without the yucky rosemary and peppermint smell.

Maximo 12-16-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowGirlLola (Post 4514098)
I think any shea butter product would work about the same as fur butter without the yucky rosemary and peppermint smell.

Thank you for mentioning the scent of the Fur Butter. Definitely out for us. Teddy would be rubbing his nose like crazy! :p

mimimomo 12-16-2014 02:38 PM

Espree Aloe Hydrating Spray for dry dull winter h/air. Like a dorko butt, I 4got to order it when I recently made an order w/espree...Petco has it on sale right now for $6.59.

dawn27 12-16-2014 05:36 PM

I was getting ready to open a thread about this very subject. Glad I came across this one instead.

I am in the process of letting Ruby's hair grow out, she's normally in a modified schnauzer cut but I have decided to let it go long. She's a cotton coat and ever since this summer I've been using dawn dish soap to battle fleas and now her hair is so very DRY. I am in need of something I can use in between bathes that wont get too greasy, gunky or have a bad smell when it dries. I want her hair to flow in the wind and look healthy. It also has to be something that both myself and my DH can handle when it comes to smells. We have Very Sensitive sinuses that just the slightest thing will give us sinus headaches. So smell is a huge factor. Scentless food scent something with no perfume would be the best option for our household.

ShowGirlLola 12-16-2014 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4514104)
Espree Aloe Hydrating Spray for dry dull winter h/air. Like a dorko butt, I 4got to order it when I recently made an order w/espree...Petco has it on sale right now for $6.59.

Thanks, that's one I was thinking of trying.

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Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 4514161)
I was getting ready to open a thread about this very subject. Glad I came across this one instead.

I am in the process of letting Ruby's hair grow out, she's normally in a modified schnauzer cut but I have decided to let it go long. She's a cotton coat and ever since this summer I've been using dawn dish soap to battle fleas and now her hair is so very DRY. I am in need of something I can use in between bathes that wont get too greasy, gunky or have a bad smell when it dries. I want her hair to flow in the wind and look healthy. It also has to be something that both myself and my DH can handle when it comes to smells. We have Very Sensitive sinuses that just the slightest thing will give us sinus headaches. So smell is a huge factor. Scentless food scent something with no perfume would be the best option for our household.

It's nice to see someone else with the same issue, people frequently think it's ridiculous.
I'm still looking for something for between baths, but the coconut oil treatment and ion conditioner used in the bath and mixed with water to make a spray are helping.
Be warned, if you use coconut oil it is strong smelling, but it doesn't bother me. I'm usually ok with food smells. The ion conditioner I use doesn't have much of a scent.

I don't understand why they make dog products so strong smelling, I've never had a stinky dog. They may smell a little when they're really hot, but it's not a bad smell.
I used to have to rebath my poodle when she got back from the groomers, she'd smell like they dumped a bottle of nasty powdery floral perfume on her.

gliderider1 12-16-2014 06:05 PM

OK folks-I know I'm mixing species--but, Cowboy Magic Detangler & Shine. They have a whole line. I like the gel detangler-a dime size drop on my hand-rub together-& all over the Yorkie. Can be used in between baths. They have a spray. I have been grooming horses for 30 yrs & this is the most AMAZING stuff i've EVER seen. can't use it on them, cause it would be too expensive, but 12oz lasts 4ever for Lilly.

dawn27 12-16-2014 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowGirlLola (Post 4514170)
Thanks, that's one I was thinking of trying.

It's nice to see someone else with the same issue, people frequently think it's ridiculous.
I'm still looking for something for between baths, but the coconut oil treatment and ion conditioner used in the bath and mixed with water to make a spray are helping.
Be warned, if you use coconut oil it is strong smelling, but it doesn't bother me. I'm usually ok with food smells. The ion conditioner I use doesn't have much of a scent.

I don't understand why they make dog products so strong smelling, I've never had a stinky dog. They may smell a little when they're really hot, but it's not a bad smell.
I used to have to rebath my poodle when she got back from the groomers, she'd smell like they dumped a bottle of nasty powdery floral perfume on her.

As long as it smells like coconut it should be oK . I'll give it a try and if it works I can save a lot of money. I can get coconut oil in bulk at Sam's Club.

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Originally Posted by gliderider1 (Post 4514175)
OK folks-I know I'm mixing species--but, Cowboy Magic Detangler & Shine. They have a whole line. I like the gel detangler-a dime size drop on my hand-rub together-& all over the Yorkie. Can be used in between baths. They have a spray. I have been grooming horses for 30 yrs & this is the most AMAZING stuff i've EVER seen. can't use it on them, cause it would be too expensive, but 12oz lasts 4ever for Lilly.

I have been using horse tail and main shampoo and conditioner for over ten years. The conditioner work ok but not great. I think I will see if the detangler is available at TSC.

Between the coconut oil and the cowboy magic one should work. Keeping my fingers crossed that it will. :D I will keep you all posted on what I find out.

Zoey Zendaya 12-16-2014 06:38 PM

Lol
 
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Originally Posted by gliderider1 (Post 4514175)
OK folks-I know I'm mixing species--but, Cowboy Magic Detangler & Shine. They have a whole line. I like the gel detangler-a dime size drop on my hand-rub together-& all over the Yorkie. Can be used in between baths. They have a spray. I have been grooming horses for 30 yrs & this is the most AMAZING stuff i've EVER seen. can't use it on them, cause it would be too expensive, but 12oz lasts 4ever for Lilly.

Your not the only one! I found Show Sheen at tractor supply and its for horses, detangling spray for daily grooming on dry coat. It's great and UN scented!
I don't like heavy scents on dogs . Dogs noses are sensitive to that perfume stuff. Is the spray and gel the same thing? And where do you get it?

Maximo 12-16-2014 06:48 PM

My nose cannot tolerate heavily scented products either. Chris Christensen Day to Day -- worked great -- but my doggies shut down and acted depressed until I washed them with something else. I tried it on them separately, Max first and Teddy 6 months later, and they had the same reaction.

Strangely, the scent of pure coconut oil doesn't bother me or the dogs.

gliderider1 12-16-2014 06:51 PM

FIRST OF ALL--I'm new, so don't hate. Not being rude with anyone. This is just something I know about--I mean I REALLY know about--at least try it--then call me a DODO bird on the thread for everyone to read: The "Cowboy Magic DODO bird"

Mane & Tail is terrible compared to Cowboy Magic; it will create a build up on the hair. Not even in the same class. I'm telling you, you'll never use anything again. Same thing about Show Sheen--it seems to work great. But, it creates a laquer on the hair & will cause it to break. In getting horses "show ready" both of these are cheap & look great! Who's to know--right? But, are viewed as shortcuts that end up hurting the hair.

Maximo 12-16-2014 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gliderider1 (Post 4514200)
FIRST OF ALL--I'm new, so don't hate. Not being rude with anyone. This is just something I know about--I mean I REALLY know about--at least try it--then call me a DODO bird on the thread for everyone to read: The "Cowboy Magic DODO bird"

Mane & Tail is terrible compared to Cowboy Magic; it will create a build up on the hair. Not even in the same class. I'm telling you, you'll never use anything again. Same thing about Show Sheen--it seems to work great. But, it creates a laquer on the hair & will cause it to break. In getting horses "show ready" both of these are cheap & look great! Who's to know--right? But, are viewed as shortcuts that end up hurting the hair.

Don't worry, food choices are far more controversial than grooming products. :D A bunch of long time members swear by Cowboy Magic. I have not tried it yet.

Lilah Charm 12-16-2014 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gliderider1 (Post 4514175)
OK folks-I know I'm mixing species--but, Cowboy Magic Detangler & Shine. They have a whole line. I like the gel detangler-a dime size drop on my hand-rub together-& all over the Yorkie. Can be used in between baths. They have a spray. I have been grooming horses for 30 yrs & this is the most AMAZING stuff i've EVER seen. can't use it on them, cause it would be too expensive, but 12oz lasts 4ever for Lilly.

I am in love with cowboy magic detangler!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: I use that stuff on myself, I swear I am so happy with that stuff- my hair had never been better. Lol- oh and of course I use it in lilah too :)


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