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yorkie2 · 12-29-2005, 07:13 PM

My female yorkie would always get sick and stay in her crate for a few days and be very sore until 2 years ago, my vet and I decided to stop giving her Lepto. Since then, she is fine and you would never even know she had any shots at all. You may want to talk to your vet about the Lepto injection. Good luck.

lily's mom · 12-29-2005, 08:15 PM

He is not going to like that bad old vet!! lol Sounds like your vet did some preventive maintenance with the last shot though. I bet everything will be just fine. Tomorrow he may still be a little sore and may even have a bump but everything will be fine.

Kathryn_V · 12-30-2005, 10:40 AM

Deuce is 90% this morning! And I have the picture to prove it!

This is Sadie, Brendas new female scloding Deuce for scaring us all!

cajungal · 12-30-2005, 11:40 AM

Lacey was the same way after having her shots. She would hide behind the couch and not come out at all. My dad and my brother actually got in a fist fight in the front yard. Because he thought my brother let Lacey out when he went out with his friends. He actually thought she was missing when she was hiding behind the couch the whole time. We called her name over and over and she ignored us. She was hiding so well, we did not even see her behind the couch at all. She started barking when she heard my brother and my dad fighting outside all over her! That is when we knew she was in the house the whole entire time and they were fighting for nothing! Lacey was always fine in a day or so, but everytime you brought her to the vet for shots, she did not want anything to do with you.

BabyFidgette · 12-30-2005, 12:31 PM

Kathryn,

That is SUCH a cute pic. But I am confused

...why does it look like there is just another doggie's face in the pic? Is it a mirror? LOL

Muffie's Mom · 12-30-2005, 12:31 PM

When we got Missy 4 weeks ago, we changed vets as the one we had been using had a nice big newer building and much higher prices$$$$

Anyway, we were telling the new vet that our older Yorkie, Muffie, had problems several times with shots; not eating, couldn't walk one time for a couple days when shot was given in HIP, lethargic. She was like that 2-3 days! New vet said it was probably the Lepko in the shot. Sooo, he did NOT include that in either of Missy's shots.

Hope he's feeling better by now.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

Kathryn_V · 12-30-2005, 01:24 PM

no.... that is Casie on top of Deuce! She is teaching him a lesson after scaring us over that widdle shot!

As you can see he is playing just fine now and is doing his best to fend off Cassie. Aren't they cute?

And FYI these are Brendas pups... Cassie is a bit older than Deuce so hence much bigger.

feminvstr · 12-30-2005, 02:03 PM

I didnt read the entire thread but to ease reactions and discomfort give him/her baby benadryl a hour or so before your appointment.

Us breeders can never say it enough times stress to your vet DO NOT USE LEPTO.

glad your baby is better

Kathryn_V · 12-30-2005, 02:31 PM

I have read that many times, but I have not seen an explanation as to why. I'm sure its out there, I have just not come across it yet.. I can assume it is because of some reaction, but what is the Pathology behind it? What makes it hard so hard for the little guys? And last but not least what are the options for someone wanting to exclude this, is there a Sub?

I think this would be good info for anyone with a young pup!

BabyFidgette · 12-30-2005, 05:43 PM

Thanks for the explaination! LOL It still to me looks like a face in the middle of no where! I love it!

whispersmom2 · 12-30-2005, 06:26 PM

I have checked my Vet. Drug Reference and Merck Vet Manual and neither has an explanation as to why the dogs react to lepto in the vaccine..Actuall, there is little need to give the lepto vaccine as a routine. Each case has to be decided based on the presence or absence of the disease in the vicinity where we live or where we plan to travel with our dogs. That is all I can find in the books. But, probably someone who is really expert at looking things up on the net might find more....
There are many 5 way vaccines that do not contain lepto or corona...or each vaccine can be given individually..Do not give rabies vaccines within 2 weeks of the other vaccines...Stresses the immune system is what I have been told. Anyway, I follow that advice..

feminvstr · 12-30-2005, 06:41 PM

links re; lepto

Lepto is, for a variety of reasons, a vaccine where the risk vs benefit analysis changes tremendously from case to case.

First, lepto vaccine causes more adverse reactions than any other canine vaccine. http://www.caberfeidh.com/Lepto.htm

Lepto vaccines, however, are not recommended unless there is a disease problem in the area. The vaccines help lessen the severity of the disease but do not prevent it (3) and may not be effective for more than six months. Furthermore, puppies and small dogs can have adverse reactions to the vaccines. Therefore, many veterinarians do not recommend inoculation against leptospirosis. However, if a lepto outbreak occurs and veterinarians do recommend vaccination, dogs should be inoculated against all four strains of the disease unless the particular strain is identified. http://www.canismajor.com/dog/disease1.html#Lept

VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED

Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. "Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & TexaA&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs. "Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks. http://www.shalako.com/vaccine.htm

Kathryn_V · 12-30-2005, 07:16 PM

Great info! Thank you so much!

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-01-2006, 02:30 PM

I would urge all yorkie owners but especially those getting new puppies about the potential side effects of certain vaccines and how easy it is to over-vaccinate and the serious health risks which can occur as a result.

There are many threads on here where this topic has been discussed passionately and I hope all pet parents should read up and educate themselves and come up with a vaccination schedule that is customized to their dog because it should not be one schedule suits all.

A few things most experienced yorkie owners will agree on I think are:
1. No lepto
2. No combo shots (one at a time with several weeks in between)
3. No unnecessary shots
4. Rabies only if required by law and a problem in your area and given as late as possible...preferable at one year of age and not before.

Here is a thread link to get you started with lots of good internet sites to branch off to and further your research.http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ht=vaccination

12-29-2005, 08:15 PM	#17
lily's mom Lily Loves Maximus Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,633	He is not going to like that bad old vet!! lol Sounds like your vet did some preventive maintenance with the last shot though. I bet everything will be just fine. Tomorrow he may still be a little sore and may even have a bump but everything will be fine. __________________ Lily and Dawn

12-30-2005, 11:40 AM	#19
cajungal YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Schriever, Louisiana Posts: 404	Lacey was the same way after having her shots. She would hide behind the couch and not come out at all. My dad and my brother actually got in a fist fight in the front yard. Because he thought my brother let Lacey out when he went out with his friends. He actually thought she was missing when she was hiding behind the couch the whole time. We called her name over and over and she ignored us. She was hiding so well, we did not even see her behind the couch at all. She started barking when she heard my brother and my dad fighting outside all over her! That is when we knew she was in the house the whole entire time and they were fighting for nothing! Lacey was always fine in a day or so, but everytime you brought her to the vet for shots, she did not want anything to do with you. __________________ Rest in Peace, Lacey I LOVE YOU. January 11,1992-June 30, 2005 Proud new mommy to Chloe Cheyenne born Dec 28, 2005

12-30-2005, 12:31 PM	#20
BabyFidgette Learn Yorkie CPR! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,855	Kathryn Kathryn, That is SUCH a cute pic. But I am confused ...why does it look like there is just another doggie's face in the pic? Is it a mirror? LOL __________________ Nicole & Baby "The more men I meet, the more I love my Yorkie!"

12-30-2005, 12:31 PM	#21
Muffie's Mom And now Missy's Mom, too! Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: FL Posts: 1,496	When we got Missy 4 weeks ago, we changed vets as the one we had been using had a nice big newer building and much higher prices$$$$ Anyway, we were telling the new vet that our older Yorkie, Muffie, had problems several times with shots; not eating, couldn't walk one time for a couple days when shot was given in HIP, lethargic. She was like that 2-3 days! New vet said it was probably the Lepko in the shot. Sooo, he did NOT include that in either of Missy's shots. Hope he's feeling better by now. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL! __________________ Pat...Mom to Muffie & Missy! Our Photos are HERE Missy on Dogster Muffie on Dogster

12-30-2005, 01:24 PM	#22
Kathryn_V Out to Spoil the World! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 2,709	no.... that is Casie on top of Deuce! She is teaching him a lesson after scaring us over that widdle shot! As you can see he is playing just fine now and is doing his best to fend off Cassie. Aren't they cute? And FYI these are Brendas pups... Cassie is a bit older than Deuce so hence much bigger. __________________ Kathryn, Pixie and Chynna

12-29-2005, 07:13 PM	#16
yorkie2 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 17	My female yorkie would always get sick and stay in her crate for a few days and be very sore until 2 years ago, my vet and I decided to stop giving her Lepto. Since then, she is fine and you would never even know she had any shots at all. You may want to talk to your vet about the Lepto injection. Good luck.

12-30-2005, 02:03 PM	#23
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	I didnt read the entire thread but to ease reactions and discomfort give him/her baby benadryl a hour or so before your appointment. Us breeders can never say it enough times stress to your vet DO NOT USE LEPTO. glad your baby is better

12-30-2005, 02:31 PM	#24
Kathryn_V Out to Spoil the World! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 2,709	I have read that many times, but I have not seen an explanation as to why. I'm sure its out there, I have just not come across it yet.. I can assume it is because of some reaction, but what is the Pathology behind it? What makes it hard so hard for the little guys? And last but not least what are the options for someone wanting to exclude this, is there a Sub? I think this would be good info for anyone with a young pup! __________________ Kathryn, Pixie and Chynna

12-30-2005, 05:43 PM	#25
BabyFidgette Learn Yorkie CPR! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,855	Thanks for the explaination! LOL It still to me looks like a face in the middle of no where! I love it! __________________ Nicole & Baby "The more men I meet, the more I love my Yorkie!"

12-30-2005, 06:26 PM	#26
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I have checked my Vet. Drug Reference and Merck Vet Manual and neither has an explanation as to why the dogs react to lepto in the vaccine..Actuall, there is little need to give the lepto vaccine as a routine. Each case has to be decided based on the presence or absence of the disease in the vicinity where we live or where we plan to travel with our dogs. That is all I can find in the books. But, probably someone who is really expert at looking things up on the net might find more.... There are many 5 way vaccines that do not contain lepto or corona...or each vaccine can be given individually..Do not give rabies vaccines within 2 weeks of the other vaccines...Stresses the immune system is what I have been told. Anyway, I follow that advice..

12-30-2005, 06:41 PM	#27
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	links re; lepto Lepto is, for a variety of reasons, a vaccine where the risk vs benefit analysis changes tremendously from case to case. First, lepto vaccine causes more adverse reactions than any other canine vaccine. http://www.caberfeidh.com/Lepto.htm Lepto vaccines, however, are not recommended unless there is a disease problem in the area. The vaccines help lessen the severity of the disease but do not prevent it (3) and may not be effective for more than six months. Furthermore, puppies and small dogs can have adverse reactions to the vaccines. Therefore, many veterinarians do not recommend inoculation against leptospirosis. However, if a lepto outbreak occurs and veterinarians do recommend vaccination, dogs should be inoculated against all four strains of the disease unless the particular strain is identified. http://www.canismajor.com/dog/disease1.html#Lept VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. "Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & TexaA&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs. "Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks. http://www.shalako.com/vaccine.htm __________________ Kimberly

12-30-2005, 07:16 PM	#28
Kathryn_V Out to Spoil the World! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 2,709	Great info! Thank you so much! __________________ Kathryn, Pixie and Chynna

01-01-2006, 02:30 PM	#29
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I would urge all yorkie owners but especially those getting new puppies about the potential side effects of certain vaccines and how easy it is to over-vaccinate and the serious health risks which can occur as a result. There are many threads on here where this topic has been discussed passionately and I hope all pet parents should read up and educate themselves and come up with a vaccination schedule that is customized to their dog because it should not be one schedule suits all. A few things most experienced yorkie owners will agree on I think are: 1. No lepto 2. No combo shots (one at a time with several weeks in between) 3. No unnecessary shots 4. Rabies only if required by law and a problem in your area and given as late as possible...preferable at one year of age and not before. Here is a thread link to get you started with lots of good internet sites to branch off to and further your research.http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ht=vaccination