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byramdiane 12-03-2011 08:49 AM

seizures
 
my 6 year old male yorkie, Jake, started having seizures about a week and a half ago. I have contacted my vet now twice, Jake has had 4 in a week and half. The vet keeps saying wait and keep track so we can get a pattern. i am very worried about if maybe he has a brain tumor. When these seizures start he begins panting and snorting and rolls on his side and starts kicking. I pick him up and try to comfort him. sometimes he potties and some times he doesnt. He sometimes frothes at the mouth an then in about a few minutes then he seems ok. When he is just sitting around it looks like he is nodding his head yes all the time. i am going to take him in to see another vet this week , maybe this one will take some blood and do some testing. i am very scared that i am going to loose him but i dont want him suffering either thanks for listening.

Cherie6446 12-03-2011 09:16 AM

My Gina started having seizures when she was 5. The first time I saw one I rushed her to the vet. The vet said not to worry unless she had them more than a few times per month. She didn't. Only once in a while so no meds were given. If your dog has them more often then meds are advised after an evaulation. It is scary and sad to see them like that.
Good luck

TraciG 12-03-2011 09:21 AM

When you say you contacted the vet - do you mean you called them? In my opinion (take it for what it is) you should take Jake to the vet immediately. I can't believe any vet would say to wait - wait for what??? If he has a seizure after normal vet hours you should probably be high tailing it to the ER.

byramdiane 12-03-2011 09:33 AM

i called by telephone at 7:30 pm on Saturday nite Vet said they couldnt do anything about it and call next time it happened. so i called the next it happen, which wa just 3 days later. he not to bring him in and keep a diary. they deal mostly with big animals, that is why i am taking to asmall animal vet Monday

107barney 12-03-2011 09:49 AM

The seizures you are describing sound like severe generalized or grand mal seizures. These can be dangerous in close succession. 4 seizures in a week and a half is very troublesome if you do not know the diagnosis. I disagree with your vet, and I would definitely get a second opinion. I would get somewhere today with this dog if it were mine.

concretegurl 12-03-2011 10:01 AM

Take Jake to another vet immediately...or Monday:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Any vet should automatically want to run blood-work, as about where he was what was going on, and they should talk to you about what and how to evaluate that he comes out of the seizure.

I would never go back to that vet again. I was told to wait & monitor seizures for my dog...after multiple testing, evaluations, emergency visits where vet got out of bed in the middle of the night & ensured they fully explained & I fully understood what to check for, do, how to evaluate, and when Elvis would need to be rushed in...true at first I wasn't given meds just told to monitor, but still tests were done repeatably & vet insisted I bring him in regularly & always in an emergency-I was just upset after all that I had to keep a diary & monitor feeling very helpless.

I'd be livid if I were you. Your situation could easily be due to a toxic substance having been ingested and your dog could have needed emergency treatment for it to end the seizures-seizures are a symptom of something they are not a diagnosis.

If the response was just over the phone keep track with no blood-work, no in person evaluation that vet isn't worth the paper their diploma is printed on!

Ellie May 12-03-2011 09:02 PM

There is some validity to not totally panicking over one seizure (some dogs will only have one and then never have a problem again). Obviously in this case those, 4 in just over a week - this pup needs to be seen immediately. Anyway, far as good medicine goes, basic bloodwork is indicated right after the first seizure to look at some values. Toxicity can cause a dog to seize and that is the first rule out. To not at least recommend an ER visit for bloodwork is just crazy. Large animal vets tend to be not so good at small animal medicine.

ladyjane 12-03-2011 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3747409)
The seizures you are describing sound like severe generalized or grand mal seizures. These can be dangerous in close succession. 4 seizures in a week and a half is very troublesome if you do not know the diagnosis. I disagree with your vet, and I would definitely get a second opinion. I would get somewhere today with this dog if it were mine.

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3747427)
Take Jake to another vet immediately...or Monday:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Any vet should automatically want to run blood-work, as about where he was what was going on, and they should talk to you about what and how to evaluate that he comes out of the seizure.

I would never go back to that vet again. I was told to wait & monitor seizures for my dog...after multiple testing, evaluations, emergency visits where vet got out of bed in the middle of the night & ensured they fully explained & I fully understood what to check for, do, how to evaluate, and when Elvis would need to be rushed in...true at first I wasn't given meds just told to monitor, but still tests were done repeatably & vet insisted I bring him in regularly & always in an emergency-I was just upset after all that I had to keep a diary & monitor feeling very helpless.

I'd be livid if I were you. Your situation could easily be due to a toxic substance having been ingested and your dog could have needed emergency treatment for it to end the seizures-seizures are a symptom of something they are not a diagnosis.

If the response was just over the phone keep track with no blood-work, no in person evaluation that vet isn't worth the paper their diploma is printed on!

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3748029)
There is some validity to not totally panicking over one seizure (some dogs will only have one and then never have a problem again). Obviously in this case those, 4 in just over a week - this pup needs to be seen immediately. Anyway, far as good medicine goes, basic bloodwork is indicated right after the first seizure to look at some values. Toxicity can cause a dog to seize and that is the first rule out. To not at least recommend an ER visit for bloodwork is just crazy. Large animal vets tend to be not so good at small animal medicine.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Your pup needs to be seen ASAP! I would say if he has any more seizures this weekend, an EC visit is in order. If not, then Monday for sure.

byramdiane 12-10-2011 10:19 AM

I took my Jake to see the vet last Monday, he did blood work and we wanted to wait and see what was the result of that test before he srted him on phenobarb, Got results back Thursday and started Jake o the phenobarb Friday. Jake had had 3 seizures Wednesday about 4 hours apart.

I give Jake 1 3/4 ml twice a day. This morning his head is starting to bob up and down all the time like he is saying yes all the time, he was doing this before the phenobarb but not as bad, no seizures though, maybe once he gets used to this maybe I will have my baby back. The vet did warn me he might ac a little strange for the 1st week.

yorkieusa 12-10-2011 06:58 PM

I'm so sorry. I hope Jake will be ok and do better while on the med. Please keep us updated.

AllDogBoots 12-10-2011 07:19 PM

I am sorry you are going through this. The head bobbling/saying yes actions sounds like a focal seizure to me. While he's not falling to the ground and foaming, it's still sounds like a definite neurological episode. Hopefully every other diagnosis has been ruled out and the phenobarbital will start to take effect. Phenobarbital will take at least a week or two.

lillymae 12-10-2011 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by byramdiane (Post 3754974)
I took my Jake to see the vet last Monday, he did blood work and we wanted to wait and see what was the result of that test before he srted him on phenobarb, Got results back Thursday and started Jake o the phenobarb Friday. Jake had had 3 seizures Wednesday about 4 hours apart.

I give Jake 1 3/4 ml twice a day. This morning his head is starting to bob up and down all the time like he is saying yes all the time, he was doing this before the phenobarb but not as bad, no seizures though, maybe once he gets used to this maybe I will have my baby back. The vet did warn me he might ac a little strange for the 1st week.

Are you still seeing the large animal vet ? This pup needs to see a neurologist ASAP. There are some conditions that yorkies are prone to that are treatable but without Prompt & Proper treatment they can & will die, If he has any of these conditions. I would not waste any more time with a vet that is not taking his condition Extremely Serious.

ladyjane 12-10-2011 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3755622)
Are you still seeing the large animal vet ? This pup needs to see a neurologist ASAP. There are some conditions that yorkies are prone to that are treatable but without Prompt & Proper treatment they can & will die, If he has any of these conditions. I would not waste any more time with a vet that is not taking his condition Extremely Serious.

I agree. I would be at a neurologist if it were my pup. Sounds like he is having a lot of seizures...very concerning.

lillymae 12-11-2011 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3755629)
I agree. I would be at a neurologist if it were my pup. Sounds like he is having a lot of seizures...very concerning.

Yes this pup is having way too many seizures & if this were my pup I would also be at the neuro ASAP having MRI & spinal to start with. I would almost bet my next breath that he's got something more serious then epilepsy, not that epilepsy is not serious but with your pup & his diagnosis I believe you know just how serious these symptoms should be taken. Without at least an MRI theres no way to properly diagnose this pup with having only epilepsy.
I do not believe a pup should ever be diagnosed with epilepsy on a vet visit & blood work alone without other diagnostics to rule out anything else.

ladyjane 12-11-2011 03:54 AM

I am not going to go so far as to say what tests need to be done. That is not my place at all. I just think a specialist is needed.


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