Possible Sick Teacup Yorkie???

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Glad you posted this Mary -- I was going to also, thinking that if she won't believe us, maybe she will believe the official Breed Club information. She might be playing silly, immature games but she may really think she knows. There are lots of uneducated people who glom on to a bit of information they think they know and then somehow feel all superior to the people who might actually be able to help them along the way. Shame on the breeder who sold her a puppy claiming it is a teacup, shame on her for selling before the puppy was 12 weeks old as also recommended by YTCA. Shame on her for not giving sufficient information to a new puppy owner and putting herself at her disposal 24/7 for ALL questions she might have about the puppies health and welfare.

The OP might not realize when people identify their dog as a teacup, they are telling how inexperienced and uneducated about the yorkie breed they are. Few vets get into the standards or differences in registered breeds. They worry more about what diseases and genetic problems a breed has more than any show or standard information. I don't necessarily think badly of a vet who does not know things like "there are no teacups in the Yorkie breed." As long as they know what health concerns are more prevalent in the yorkie breed, I am happy. But not knowing should have made him not comment -- not say that all puppies under the usual weight are teacups! Of course his words may have been taken out of context or even confused.

I don't even really have a problem with people using the term teacup, as long as they are no more serious about it than the folks who call theirs teapots. They need to know it is not an official designation, that breeders who use the terms normally have many other problems (as the professional breeders would never use the term!) and that MOST of the puppies being sold as teacups don't even wind up being on the small side of yorkies! I can't count the number of people who originally post they have a teacup puppy and then wind up having a 5-10 pound adult yorkie a year or two down the road! There have also been MANY sold as teacups and then the buyer later finds out the date of birth was lied about just so they would appear to be smaller than their age. It's not surprising either that a puppy being touted as a teacup is having such extreme GI distress immediately at the new home. Breeders who try to capitalize more on the small size than health concerns often wind up selling puppies who are sickly and in need of vet help right off the bat.

I am not writing this reply so much for the OP, 1yorkie, as I am any other actual concerned folks who wind up reading it while looking for info. Wink... Wink...my foot!

thanks for the chuckle

[jennzy]

well, im glad that the pup is doing well!
im surprised that this "breeder" sent the puppy without anything!!!
my breeder barely speaks english (i got my coco in korea) but the breeder explained everything to me. gave me the food and told me that its for babies and i should update to the puppy formula once i'm done this bag (and boy it was a big zip log bag!) she also gave me a nice pin brush & two combs (she sells them too and each got a price tag of $20 eeek!) a water bottle, leash, a toy, pill box that contained 3 diff coloured elastics and bows for the little one & of course medical book and the papers will be sent to me later.

As for the original poster defending and saying that they have a life. i really hope that a big part of her life involves her tiny baby. all pups need lots of attention especially the small ones... I even run after lunch to go check up on her (and i recently had surgery on my ankle and it hurts for me to run [ok i kind of jog hehe] but if it means i get to spend 10 more mins with her, i'll deal with the pain later.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by jennzy

well, im glad that the pup is doing well!
im surprised that this "breeder" sent the puppy without anything!!!
my breeder barely speaks english (i got my coco in korea) but the breeder explained everything to me. gave me the food and told me that its for babies and i should update to the puppy formula once i'm done this bag (and boy it was a big zip log bag!) she also gave me a nice pin brush & two combs (she sells them too and each got a price tag of $20 eeek!) a water bottle, leash, a toy, pill box that contained 3 diff coloured elastics and bows for the little one & of course medical book and the papers will be sent to me later.

As for the original poster defending and saying that they have a life. i really hope that a big part of her life involves her tiny baby. all pups need lots of attention especially the small ones... I even run after lunch to go check up on her (and i recently had surgery on my ankle and it hurts for me to run [ok i kind of jog hehe] but if it means i get to spend 10 more mins with her, i'll deal with the pain later.

Yes, my breeder sent Tibbe home with a box of supplies and toys, including a bag of food with things printed out such as what to do when and phone number at the top - as if I hadn't already memorized it and had it on speed dial.

[MyLovelyNiko]

Originally Posted by chachi

There is no such thing as a teacup. There are small yorkies and if youve been here 3w yrs you already know that and your trying to irritate people

...WINK WINK.
You are really trying to get under people's skin for obvious reasons.
If you really had this "life" you speak of why waste time coming here at all.
You are extremely rude to discredit everyone who is trying to help.
And I would have to agree with this previous post.
You obviously know teacups don't exist unless your are drinking out of it...on other forums we call people like you a "TROLL" because in reality you have NO life and just spend time trolling the net to irritate people.

By the way,
You should FIRE your vet!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Oh, good to know. I'd always thought there was a lower limit of 4 lbs. to be within the AKC standard.

The standard is set by the YTCA since its the breed club and its 7 lbs and under. The AKC recommended size for a yorkie is 4 -7 lbs

[yorkietalkjilly]

And if AKC did put a 4 lb. lower limit on its standard via YTCA to try to discourage teacup-sized Yorkie breeding, it wouldn't stop those people breeding those ultra tiny little dogs. It is so frustrating that people keep breeding them and at least a part of our culture is just apparently falling over itself to buy them.

[concretegurl]

Sick "teacup" puppy @ 11 weeks old not with the dam or breeder... shocker...must have came from a really reputable breeder...didn't specify the food...sorry I'm going with this is another profile of someone who is only here to create drama...for whatever agenda/reasoning.

Note the first response is maybe it's her diet and the OP claims vet said it's diet...not oh vet did this test and that test...vet checked stool and so forth...huh it's magically determined what the issue is so quickly and no mention of treatment...just nonsense about "teacup" and drama on YT...

I hope I'm right and there isn't a tiny pup being left alone and sick etc...but I'm just not buying this...sorry.

[concretegurl]

P.S.
I told my new vet Elvis was a "teapot" she looked at me like I was CRAZY and then back at his chart and said, "...he's a 10 pound Yorkie...no?" I think she's great!

[cally930]

This was posted a while back - but thought it was informative and the right place to add it.



The Problem With Teacup Puppies
• A CBS 2 Special Report

Apr 22, 2003 11:12 pm US/Eastern
NEW YORK (CBS) They’re advertised as puppies so small they fit in a teacup and even as adults they still look like puppies.

”I fell in love with her, she quaked she was just so small’” says Melissa Weiss. But these little bundles of joy could wind up costing you a bundle. CBS 2’s Kirstin Cole has the story.

”It cost us about $38,000 over the last 2 years,” says Kim Shamsky.

Teacup is a marketing term that breeders came up with to sell the smallest dog, the runt of the litter. Sometimes they’re inbred and can look alarmingly strange, but they’re also trendy, especially for city living because they can be trained to use a litter box and don’t need exercise.

When Sophie was born she weighed just over an ounce, now six weeks later she weighs in at a half a pound, but she can never hope to be more than 3 pounds making her forever fragile.

”This is a 2½ pound Yorkshire Terrier that jumped out of the arms of the owner and when he landed he fractured his bone,” says Dr. Paul Schwartz.

Dr. Schwartz says it's delicate surgery to operate on these dogs and they can really suffer.

Melissa Weiss wanted a dog that she didn’t have to walk, but her teacup couldn't walk because the knee caps were in the wrong place, “She needed 2 surgeries and has pins, one in each of her back legs.”

Sophie has already cost her owner $7 thousand in medical bills and for the rest of her life will be on medication for digestive problems.

Even knowing that teacups are costly and riddled with problems people still want them.

”Yeah I like, the smaller the better,” says Lyn Goldstein.

The 3 pound Yorkies that CBS 2 saw have liver, eye and knee problems. They have to eat often and be carried a lot because their tiny legs can’t climb stairs or get down safely from a bed.

”So you just make a little staircase out of pillows and they just go right up on the bed and they go back down,” adds Goldstein.

Teacups can fetch up to $3,500 each. Breeder Carolyn O'Rourke believes there are a lot of chronically unhealthy teacups because unscrupulous breeders and puppy mills are inbreeding, “When they take the little teeny tiny ones and they breed 2 and a half pounders with 3 pounders they’re playing with genetics.”

CBS 2 spoke with one midwest breeder who says her dogs are artificially inseminated, delivered by c-section and then the puppies go into incubators. Jack Levine at American Kennels calls that freaky and says he would never deal with that kind of breeder.

”Some of these breeders are here one day and gone the next, then what do you do, I mean we stand behind the animals,” says Levine.

Kim Shamsky's teacup had all kinds of health problems and died just a few months ago, but she says she would do it again, “It’s your heart, money is irrelevant when it comes to that as evidenced by all the medical bills.”

[concretegurl]

I'm sorry (not really) this shows me how sick even buyers are (I always assumed mislead and uneducated) but to go through a pup suffering and to know it personally and then make comments about her heart and how she'd do it again...really...again she'd financially support a practice that allowed a pup she said she loved to suffer in such a short life...that's a matter of the heart?
Seem and issue of the head to me...a very dysfunctional one!
Let alone the suffering of the breeding stock! The pups lost constantly...all of it is sickening to me-that's a matter of the heart.

Originally Posted by cally930

This was posted a while back - but thought it was informative and the right place to add it.



The Problem With Teacup Puppies
• A CBS 2 Special Report

Apr 22, 2003 11:12 pm US/Eastern
NEW YORK (CBS) They’re advertised as puppies so small they fit in a teacup and even as adults they still look like puppies.

”I fell in love with her, she quaked she was just so small’” says Melissa Weiss. But these little bundles of joy could wind up costing you a bundle. CBS 2’s Kirstin Cole has the story.

”It cost us about $38,000 over the last 2 years,” says Kim Shamsky.

Teacup is a marketing term that breeders came up with to sell the smallest dog, the runt of the litter. Sometimes they’re inbred and can look alarmingly strange, but they’re also trendy, especially for city living because they can be trained to use a litter box and don’t need exercise.

When Sophie was born she weighed just over an ounce, now six weeks later she weighs in at a half a pound, but she can never hope to be more than 3 pounds making her forever fragile.

”This is a 2½ pound Yorkshire Terrier that jumped out of the arms of the owner and when he landed he fractured his bone,” says Dr. Paul Schwartz.

Dr. Schwartz says it's delicate surgery to operate on these dogs and they can really suffer.

Melissa Weiss wanted a dog that she didn’t have to walk, but her teacup couldn't walk because the knee caps were in the wrong place, “She needed 2 surgeries and has pins, one in each of her back legs.”

Sophie has already cost her owner $7 thousand in medical bills and for the rest of her life will be on medication for digestive problems.

Even knowing that teacups are costly and riddled with problems people still want them.

”Yeah I like, the smaller the better,” says Lyn Goldstein.

The 3 pound Yorkies that CBS 2 saw have liver, eye and knee problems. They have to eat often and be carried a lot because their tiny legs can’t climb stairs or get down safely from a bed.

”So you just make a little staircase out of pillows and they just go right up on the bed and they go back down,” adds Goldstein.

Teacups can fetch up to $3,500 each. Breeder Carolyn O'Rourke believes there are a lot of chronically unhealthy teacups because unscrupulous breeders and puppy mills are inbreeding, “When they take the little teeny tiny ones and they breed 2 and a half pounders with 3 pounders they’re playing with genetics.”

CBS 2 spoke with one midwest breeder who says her dogs are artificially inseminated, delivered by c-section and then the puppies go into incubators. Jack Levine at American Kennels calls that freaky and says he would never deal with that kind of breeder.

”Some of these breeders are here one day and gone the next, then what do you do, I mean we stand behind the animals,” says Levine.

Kim Shamsky's teacup had all kinds of health problems and died just a few months ago, but she says she would do it again, “It’s your heart, money is irrelevant when it comes to that as evidenced by all the medical bills.”

[gypsyqueen]

This person Has posted a few times and has negative feed back while we may not admit it this word is used allover in ads in petshops and on the internet if she said a tiny would it have been better I hope her baby stays healthy and and even if she is to busy to post daily I hope you check out the posts when you have time its very educating most of the time. I wish you peace yorkie lover.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by cally930

This was posted a while back - but thought it was informative and the right place to add it.



The Problem With Teacup Puppies
• A CBS 2 Special Report

Apr 22, 2003 11:12 pm US/Eastern
NEW YORK (CBS) They’re advertised as puppies so small they fit in a teacup and even as adults they still look like puppies.

”I fell in love with her, she quaked she was just so small’” says Melissa Weiss. But these little bundles of joy could wind up costing you a bundle. CBS 2’s Kirstin Cole has the story.

”It cost us about $38,000 over the last 2 years,” says Kim Shamsky.

Teacup is a marketing term that breeders came up with to sell the smallest dog, the runt of the litter. Sometimes they’re inbred and can look alarmingly strange, but they’re also trendy, especially for city living because they can be trained to use a litter box and don’t need exercise.

When Sophie was born she weighed just over an ounce, now six weeks later she weighs in at a half a pound, but she can never hope to be more than 3 pounds making her forever fragile.

”This is a 2½ pound Yorkshire Terrier that jumped out of the arms of the owner and when he landed he fractured his bone,” says Dr. Paul Schwartz.

Dr. Schwartz says it's delicate surgery to operate on these dogs and they can really suffer.

Melissa Weiss wanted a dog that she didn’t have to walk, but her teacup couldn't walk because the knee caps were in the wrong place, “She needed 2 surgeries and has pins, one in each of her back legs.”

Sophie has already cost her owner $7 thousand in medical bills and for the rest of her life will be on medication for digestive problems.

Even knowing that teacups are costly and riddled with problems people still want them.

”Yeah I like, the smaller the better,” says Lyn Goldstein.

The 3 pound Yorkies that CBS 2 saw have liver, eye and knee problems. They have to eat often and be carried a lot because their tiny legs can’t climb stairs or get down safely from a bed.

”So you just make a little staircase out of pillows and they just go right up on the bed and they go back down,” adds Goldstein.

Teacups can fetch up to $3,500 each. Breeder Carolyn O'Rourke believes there are a lot of chronically unhealthy teacups because unscrupulous breeders and puppy mills are inbreeding, “When they take the little teeny tiny ones and they breed 2 and a half pounders with 3 pounders they’re playing with genetics.”

CBS 2 spoke with one midwest breeder who says her dogs are artificially inseminated, delivered by c-section and then the puppies go into incubators. Jack Levine at American Kennels calls that freaky and says he would never deal with that kind of breeder.

”Some of these breeders are here one day and gone the next, then what do you do, I mean we stand behind the animals,” says Levine.

Kim Shamsky's teacup had all kinds of health problems and died just a few months ago, but she says she would do it again, “It’s your heart, money is irrelevant when it comes to that as evidenced by all the medical bills.”

Thank you for that article. Am bookmarking that. It is the same sad story over and over.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by chachi

The standard is set by the YTCA since its the breed club and its 7 lbs and under. The AKC recommended size for a yorkie is 4 -7 lbs

thanks!!

[cally930]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I'm sorry (not really) this shows me how sick even buyers are (I always assumed mislead and uneducated) but to go through a pup suffering and to know it personally and then make comments about her heart and how she'd do it again...really...again she'd financially support a practice that allowed a pup she said she loved to suffer in such a short life...that's a matter of the heart?
Seem and issue of the head to me...a very dysfunctional one!
Let alone the suffering of the breeding stock! The pups lost constantly...all of it is sickening to me-that's a matter of the heart.

I didn't post this article other than to make others aware of what a "teacup" entails. That it is only the "terminology" used by breeders to sell off the "runt" of the litter - nothing more than that.......... And that - "YES" there are greedy breeders out there breeding "runts" to "runts" trying to "give the people what they want". But in reality "the people" are going for "cute" and not realizing that these "cute tiny puppies" come with a lot of heartache. Yes, there are quite a few lucky ones out there with healthy puppies - but the majority of these "teacups" will come with a lot of health issues.

This is why I posted. Not to condone it!

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by gypsyqueen

This person Has posted a few times and has negative feed back while we may not admit it this word is used allover in ads in petshops and on the internet if she said a tiny would it have been better I hope her baby stays healthy and and even if she is to busy to post daily I hope you check out the posts when you have time its very educating most of the time. I wish you peace yorkie lover.

Just because a term is used does not make it right and to condone it only perpetuates the vicious cycle of ignorance in pet ownership.

From my viewpoint...there has been nothing ugly about this thread but, what the OP brought to it...period!
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