Here's another thing I'd also like to mention...seeing that this Momma is missing teeth (tongue hanging out) gives me a good indication that she may not have always received proper care & nutrition.

Do you know if your Vet is familiar with toy breeds? Believe it or not, not all Vets are and she could be at a disadvantage if she does encounter problems with her pregnancy or during whelping and you could end up losing Momma & the litter as well.

Also, if she weighs 4lbs now...she was even smaller before pregnancy.;)

Maybe Mardelin could weigh in here and give you her thoughts on this situation. I just want to make sure you fully realize the gravity of this situation.

How do we reference this in the breeder section cause many more would reply there I think but I do not know how to link this to a post there or vice versa...

It's already there and I've put a pm out to Mardelin & Woogieman for any help they may offer this op.;)

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...er-assist.html

Thank you....I am fairly new here but not to breeding. But I am quite concerned for this little girl and am hoping some veteran Yorkie Talkers who have that certain ummm postability can help here. And Mary would be a great start....;)

Let me begin by commending you in taking in this little girl and wanting to help. But, your's is not an ideal situation. You are very inexperienced. So, many things to consider. I'm not going to attempt to talk you out of this endevor, I hope to prepare you.

I've skimmed through this thread, so if I speak out of turn, pleas correct/forgive me.

This is a 3 year old undersized yorkie female (3 pounds, I think you said). Is this her first pregnacy? Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. She was bred with an undersized male, still doesn't matter. This little girl has all the cards stacked against her.

You said your vet said she was healthy, yet her teeth are bad. These pups are going to drain a lot of calcium from her. Did your vet, run blood tests on her?

I've asked a couple of questions that I hope you'll answer, before I go on.

Hello:

she is 4.2 lbs (something like that) the vet said she was healthy, her past owners had her teeth removed and so this solved the problem she had in the past.

I believe this is her first pregnancy, and yes he ran blood test on her we get results in 3 days some a little more.

Did he do a vaginal smear on her? Very important as any infection can affect the pups.

Do you know if any tests were performed on the male that was used?

Now correct me if I'm wrong. Do you know if the previous owners performed any pre-breeding tests; bile acids, x-rays on knees and hips, heart test, kidney test, etc. And do you know if any of these tests were performed on the male?

Wow! You really got called in on a tough situation. I can't say that in your shoes I wouldn't have done the same thing. You would have always worried about her if you had let her go to some shelter. That being said, really, I mean *really* think about what you are getting ready for. I am glad to see that you have already taken her to the vet and got things like that lined up but emergency procedures can be costly. Then, there is the proper care of her and her puppies should everyone make it through okay. I just added a second to my family and it certainly makes an impact financially. That was just doubling my cost, not adding 3 or more.
I just hate to see well-meaning individuals get in over their head and have regrets about things they should've have done.
It is obvious you want what is best for her.

This is just so scary to me, and I live on a farm. :) I have witnessed many births of livestock but these little creatures are like babies to me. I have read so many whelping stories gone bad that I could never go into it as uneducated as I am. I am not meaning this negative toward you, just sounds so scary to me.

Praying that everything turns out ok for you and the mama yorkie and the babies.

I just checked your profile page and when you joined you were 21. I assume you're single, and by the way beautiful.

Something you may want to consider, aside from the expense of whelping supplies. You will have to give up a minimum of 12 weeks of your life...from about a week before her first due date (and based on her size, there's a good possibility she'll have a premature litter) until those pups are eating well on their own....

I first of all want to wish you luck whatever you decide to do and I think everyone will help you with the best of their ability whatever you decide. Everyone is passionate about Yorkies here so if anyone does come across real strong please try to remember that and not hold it against them. You are in a tough situation here. While it can be exciting to think about having puppies - and it really can be - the reality is that it is also A LOT of work and can also be VERY expensive. I just would encourage you to really think things thru thoroughly and make sure that you are not only prepared for the expense but also the amount of work a litter of puppies can entail. One breeder recently lost her mom and had to hand raise her entire litter. That means feeding them every 2 hours for the first 3 weeks at least. Are you at home and able to do that if this were to happen to you?
I personally feel uncomfortable aborting a litter myself. It just goes against what I believe personally so I can understand how you feel but just want to make sure you have thought everything thru in fairness to the mom and puppies. I wish you the best of luck whatever you decide and truly hope that everything goes well.

Alot of good advice here. I wish I lived closer I would come help or take her in my home.

I do live close to this by, but I think with the uncertainty of this wee one, a rescue would better serve should an emergency arise.

This is really a bad situation. I just read through the thread and I feel so badly for this little girl. She shouldn't be having pups at all.

I don't know what 'advice' to give, but maybe I can give you a little perspective in what you're facing.

From reading the posts, it seems like she is in her last couple of weeks of pregnancy, going by the fact that the vet could see 3 pups. With her weight at 4.1 pounds at this stage, this girl is actually a 3 pounder...an extremely small dog to be having babies. No matter what your vet says, this baby will likely not be able to deliver these pups on her own. A c-section is VERY likely.

Along with that, the pups will be tiny at birth....probably around 2 ounces...maybe smaller. Babies this size have a very difficult time nursing on their own and you should be prepared for around the clock supplementing (which isn't easy). At that tiny size, they have difficulty maintaining body heat and will be very vulnerable for some time. It will take a lot of time and dedication for these babies to make it.

In her last couple of weeks before delivery, the pups will do most of their growing and this drains the dam's nutrients in a big way. She should be closely watched from here on out with an eye out especially for pre-eclampsia.

This girl really needs to be in the hands of an experienced breeder and a good small breed vet. This is a scary situation for even an experienced breeder and I know for certain I wouldn't want to have to deal with something like this. So much can go wrong, not only with the delivery. As I mentioned, the time before and after each have their own risks and it takes an experienced person to be able to recognize the signs of distress in either the dam or the pups.

Apart from the likely costs and the time and dedication involved, this is truly a pregnancy that shouldn't be handled by a novice. Perhaps you should reach out to the rescue people and see what resources they can provide. I know you have an attachment to this girl, but, for her safety and the pups, she needs to be in very capable hands. This is a dangerous situation.

This is something I have been wondering about. I didn't want to comment because I don't know enough about breeding/whelping. This makes the situation a lot more serious. Thank you for posting.

This will be a very difficult whelping. Even if the OP recognized labor and the vet does a successful c-section, the aftercare of the dam and pups will be overwhelming for a novice. I would think a rescue could at least be better able to provide the around the clock care these pups will most likely need. This would be a scary situation even for well-experienced breeders. There are many risks that are simply too much for a novice to deal with, or even to have time to find out about.

Not to mention the potential costs, even with things going fairly well.

Something else to consider IF you decide to surrender Momma...please try not to wait until the last minute. Any rescue group would appreciate the advance notice to be able to prepare for a surrender such as this one. A suitable foster home will need to be available & ready in addition to a vet who can handle this kind of high risk pregnancy and/or a possible c-section. Many things need to be in place to ensure Momma & her litter have the best possible future.

A lot of information has been provided to you and if you'd like to talk to either Mardelin or myself please pm or call, ok? Or if you would please update this thread, I know I would appreciate hearing from you.;)

Take care,
Jo Ann

Just Wondering
 

I'm wondering if it might be possible for a rescue to Foster Mama till the pups are ready for adoption then return Mama ( Spayed ) at the owners expense back to the OP. That way she can be monitored through the rest of her pregnancy by someone with experience and the pups & mama will stand a better chance. The Rescue keeps the pups and finds them homes. Something to consider.

I'm really confused about some things here. I dont mean to pry, but if you cant afford any pet supplies, how are you going to be able to afford caring for these puppies--EVEN if the vet care was free--its not cheap to raise puppies.

You just recently had a litter so you already know the cost but cant you reuse your supplies???? Why are you asking for handouts if your "capable" of handling this momma and her litter?? I thought I saw your name here on YT before so I went back and read your other postings, this is the third time you've said money was tight and you asked for supplies for your numerous dogs (?), your uncles 4 chihuahuas that you took in.

What happened to the litter you just had? they should have been ready for homes less than 2 weeks ago...do you not have any supplies left over??

I cant help but question the parents of this recent litter of yours...You got momma from answering an ad and if you came right away she was free? and you took her home and bred her??

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but I dont want to see any YTers getting taken advantage of by sending you more pet supplies.

Is this 3 pound pregnant yorkie real? I just find it really odd that someone could get so many free purebred dogs & even a pregnant one when you cant afford to buy them a blanket??

If anyone decides to send puppy supplies to you, I guess its their business, but I'd much rather give pet supplies to a rescue than someone on an internet forum with a couple of sad stories.

Please put this little momma's best interest first and take her to a rescue.

I didn't see anything that said the OP recently had a litter (possible I missed it in her posts...) But, if your father's best friend is a vet, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the dog for your mother to turn her over to him for help? After all, you really don't have a good history on this dog and you don't know what problems she might have. 3 seems to be a little young to have had to have all her upper teeth removed unless there was some other underlying problem.

And just because the original owner said they are 100% sure the father is another yorkie doesn't mean it's true. If they left her out in the backyard, even briefly, it could be the neighborhood Casanova through the fence...

Whoops, my bad! that was last year she had a litter.

Thats a great idea to turn her over to the vet, if the vet is willing to do it.

I take that back, she did have a litter recently..she came on YT looking for a name for a 10 week old puppy and she owns the parents.

I stand corrected!

What would be nice is if the OP would kindly update this thread.

Many on here were very concerned for her situation and immediately went out of their way to help her...including some of the best of the best breeders and rescue groups.

Just saying...;)

Just looking for an update on this mama. :(

Anyone heard any new news from the OP. Would really like to hear an update on the situation.
Thanks,
:aimeeyorkYorkieProud:aimeeyork

:pSOME FOLKS SAY MY YORKIES AS JUST DOGS. I SAY THEY ARE MY CHILDREN AND JUST SMARTER THAN MOST FOLKS!!:p

it would have been nice if everyone didnt immediately start saying stuff like she should release her to some one else..........like people were making sound like she wouldnt be able to take care of her...........i really felt sorry for her............yes it is a bad situation...but it didnt warrant her being jumped............all she was asking was information...cause she was trying to help this female out........im not shocked at all that she hasnt come back to update us..........can you really blame her?

I have to agree with Tnyorkiemom. I've read through the entire thread and just feel horrible for OP. The most advice she's getting is that she must give this pregnant dog up and/or spay her now, killing the unborn puppies.

Sorry if I'm stepping on any toes here, but I think it's pretty clear she wants to keep the momma dog, and wants to do what she can to help her through this pregnancy. Yes, it can end horribly, but it can also end with a healthy mom and three puppies, too. The best thing might be to just give what advice can be given to her so she can get the momma through this and help the babies thrive once they are here, IMHO.

She did take in the dog, and it does seem like it wasn't taken care of properly before (ie, teeth missing, not spayed in the first place). I think she wants to do the right thing, but without aborting the pups.

bravo....very well said