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yorkie_mama22 12-03-2009 09:21 PM

I just wanted to tell you that I sent my email today. I shared my story in my email and gave them a piece of my mind!

YorkieShadow 12-03-2009 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2902557)
ok; karen from banfield client relation called to basically defend banfield and to say they did nothing wrong; and that i gave my dog up and that i am responsible for her.
i tried telling that if it wasn't for the vet force feeding my dog she wouldnt be in the hospital; she said the vet didn't force feed the dog ; she "syringe fed her";
isn't that the same i said?
i brought my dog in because she didnt' want to eat or drink; so she obviously force fed her
anyhow she said they won't offer me anything; to get my dog back or any money back
however they want me to take the posts off because she's offended by me disclosing their information; and that she's getting emails from people who don't know the real story; (i think i know the story since it happened to me)
i think i know my rights; and this is called freedom of speech; i am not telling lies; just facts as they happened
she can call it my opinion; but i know my dog for 2 years and that day she didnt want to eat or drink
anyhow; i tried my hardest to fight for Ava with these people
maybe if they or the EC get enough letters something can be done
again i am deeply grateful for all your support
and please spread the word to AVOID BANFIELD AT ALL COSTS

My heart breaks for you. you can tell how much you love your baby.
I pray that you get her back but I do have to say be careful putting stuff out there like this is not a good thing. yes people should know but please make sure you can back up your facts so they dont turn around and try and sue you. you have enough on your plate as it is. Its so sad they the Dr could not call you and let you know how Ava is. I agree people here can all write them letters but I would not let anyone call their place of work, they are busy working and caring for animals/ pets and those calls from other members will not make it better for you it will only piss them off and they will never talk to you.you should be the only one calling them.



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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2902462)
I mentioned this same thing on another thread and was flamed for even thinking such a thing.

However in this case, I can totally understand that they will not respond to her phone calls. There are privacy laws when it comes to these things and these people could get into trouble. They have given their answer.

yes these people can get in big trouble and lose their jobs giving out information.
You just have to console yourself that you did what you thought was best at the time and that it is now out of your control.

It's not easy, but many of us have been through it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2902106)
And MY advice is to not give her false hope. The sooner she accepts it the sooner she can move forward.

I agree with this and as much as I want her to have her baby back she does not need false hope but needs are support

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

ally173 12-04-2009 04:10 AM

please pm me for further info; thanks

carmen in nj 12-04-2009 04:58 AM

I also send them a quick email, telling them to do right with you and telling them WHY I would NEVER, NEVER recomend or use a banfield clinic again, MAYBE, just MAYBE they will read it.. without hitting the delete button, I don't think those people want to hear the negative of their business..
best of luck..
Carmen in nj

ally173 12-04-2009 05:05 AM

thanks all again for all your support.

yorkiemalt 12-04-2009 06:28 AM

Have you gone back to AERA and spoken with them in person? Perhaps if you can explain why and how this all came about they will be able to help you. I've dealt with them many times and they are a caring group of Veterinarians.

JeanieK 12-04-2009 07:15 AM

JMO

But I fear that all of this is doing more harm than good for all involved.

I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

ally173 12-04-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2903396)
JMO

But I fear that all of this is doing more harm than good for all involved.

I feel there is more to the story than what is being told.

nobody is forcing you to offer support or advice; you can simply get off the thread.
i told the story as it happened and i am not sure what you are getting at.
i understand if you don't want to offer kind words but you don't have to keep posting negative threads or interferring in my posts.
you don't see me interfering with your posts

JeanieK 12-04-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2903422)
nobody is forcing you to offer support or advice; you can simply get off the thread.
i told the story as it happened and i am not sure what you are getting at.
i understand if you don't want to offer kind words but you don't have to keep posting negative threads or interferring in my posts.
you don't see me interfering with your posts

I'm not interferring with your posts. I have offered condolences and very sympathetic.

But now it seems you have gone from sad and needing support to vindictive and your actions are encouraged by a group of vigilanties.., It's no longer about the dog, it's about getting even.

You did what had to be done at the time because you could not afford the bills. That was understandable. Has your financial situation changed? If so then take a check and go to them and talk to them. If not then let it go and move on.

At this point you have, no doubt, made them angry and they are not going to talk to you.

It is sad they they would not even give you the courtesy of telling you how she is doing, but this is not helping.

You are on a futile crusade to get even with them for something that you yourself did.

It's a sad situation but it is not their fault. Sometimes there is no one to blame. Things happen for a reason and we are learn and grow from it.

livingdustmops 12-04-2009 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2903509)
I'm not interferring with your posts. I have offered condolences and very sympathetic.

But now it seems you have gone from sad and needing support to vindictive and your actions are encouraged by a group of vigilanties.., It's no longer about the dog, it's about getting even.

You did what had to be done at the time because you could not afford the bills. That was understandable. Has your financial situation changed? If so then take a check and go to them and talk to them. If not then let it go and move on.

At this point you have, no doubt, made them angry and they are not going to talk to you.

It is sad they they would not even give you the courtesy of telling you how she is doing, but this is not helping.

You are on a futile crusade to get even with them for something that you yourself did.

It's a sad situation but it is not their fault. Sometimes there is no one to blame. Things happen for a reason and we are learn and grow from it.

No where do I see where the OP was vindictive....and I do blame Banfield because they are a $$$ hungry organization that really does not care for the dogs/cats. I have seen it time and time again. These vets will over vaccinate give wrong medical advise and do everything to just make $$$. It is also not right for any vet to say someone is coddling their dog and this is WRONG!!!! and not professional. This pet owner knew something was wrong and tried to do the right things and the vet did not listen. It is the vets responsibility (if they care) to listen and try to figure out what is wrong with a dog..in this case they did not.

hartygirl 12-04-2009 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2903509)
I'm not interfering with your posts. I have offered condolences and very sympathetic.

But now it seems you have gone from sad and needing support to vindictive and your actions are encouraged by a group of vigilanties.., It's no longer about the dog, it's about getting even.

You did what had to be done at the time because you could not afford the bills. That was understandable. Has your financial situation changed? If so then take a check and go to them and talk to them. If not then let it go and move on.

At this point you have, no doubt, made them angry and they are not going to talk to you.

It is sad they they would not even give you the courtesy of telling you how she is doing, but this is not helping.

You are on a futile crusade to get even with them for something that you yourself did.

It's a sad situation but it is not their fault. Sometimes there is no one to blame. Things happen for a reason and we are learn and grow from it.


Look, I'm sorry but if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. You don't know the whole story and were not there to witness any of this first hand.

The OP has already asked you to stop commenting on here so why not just leave it at that?

Every situation is different, I know you offered a story about having your dog put down because you chose not to have a surgery preformed, but that is very different from this woman giving up her dog to do everything possible to save its life. She made rash, hasty decisions to keep her dog alive, she gave up rights to the dog, she did not give up on her. Now she wants to have her back and there is always hope, unless the dog dies she can try forever to get her baby back. I know I would. Maybe finances are not an issue anymore, whatever the case this womans heart is hurting and she wants to know her baby is OK. I believe she deserves to know.

ally173 12-04-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2903509)
I'm not interferring with your posts. I have offered condolences and very sympathetic.

But now it seems you have gone from sad and needing support to vindictive and your actions are encouraged by a group of vigilanties.., It's no longer about the dog, it's about getting even.

You did what had to be done at the time because you could not afford the bills. That was understandable. Has your financial situation changed? If so then take a check and go to them and talk to them. If not then let it go and move on.

At this point you have, no doubt, made them angry and they are not going to talk to you.

It is sad they they would not even give you the courtesy of telling you how she is doing, but this is not helping.

You are on a futile crusade to get even with them for something that you yourself did.

It's a sad situation but it is not their fault. Sometimes there is no one to blame. Things happen for a reason and we are learn and grow from it.

who are you to tell me to move on; i will move on when i am good and ready; Ava was everything to me and she was my baby and it's not fair to her if i give up easily and move on.
you have no right telling me what to do.
please for the last time, i don't care for your opinion; keep it to yourself.
compassion and love is what makes us human; i did or said nothing to offend you; you have been attacking me for no reason; so please i ask you nicely to stop.

ladyjane 12-04-2009 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hartygirl (Post 2903552)
Look, I'm sorry but if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. You don't know the whole story and were not there to witness any of this first hand.

The OP has already asked you to stop commenting on here so why not just leave it at that?

Every situation is different, I know you offered a story about having your dog put down because you chose not to have a surgery preformed, but that is very different from this woman giving up her dog to do everything possible to save its life. She made rash, hasty decisions to keep her dog alive, she gave up rights to the dog, she did not give up on her. Now she wants to have her back and there is always hope, unless the dog dies she can try forever to get her baby back. I know I would. Maybe finances are not an issue anymore, whatever the case this womans heart is hurting and she wants to know her baby is OK. I believe she deserves to know.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

bchgirl 12-04-2009 11:03 AM

A sad situation but I have to wonder if it's even been confirmed the dog is still at the ER vets?

Since no information or return phone calls have been given...why not simply drive to the office?

ally173 12-04-2009 11:10 AM

the dog is not at the ER hospital any longer; however someone from the hospital is fostering her. i did call but they told me to call back or come when dr norton is there.

bchgirl 12-04-2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2903656)
the dog is not at the ER hospital any longer; however someone from the hospital is fostering her. i did call but they told me to call back or come when dr norton is there.

So the doctor didn't provide any information when you spoke with her/him? Or has she not been in the office for 2 days?

ally173 12-04-2009 11:37 AM

the vet was last there on 11/30; it's not an office; it's an ER hospital and there are many vets; a YT member helped me out and called yesterday; however they wont disclose any information to anyone; they said they will get back to us with some info ; however nothing yet.

JeanieK 12-04-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2903525)
No where do I see where the OP was vindictive....and I do blame Banfield because they are a $$$ hungry organization that really does not care for the dogs/cats. I have seen it time and time again. These vets will over vaccinate give wrong medical advise and do everything to just make $$$. It is also not right for any vet to say someone is coddling their dog and this is WRONG!!!! and not professional. This pet owner knew something was wrong and tried to do the right things and the vet did not listen. It is the vets responsibility (if they care) to listen and try to figure out what is wrong with a dog..in this case they did not.

Like I said there appears to be more here than what meets the eye. Everything is hearsay. They must be very successful as vetrerinarians or they would have gone out of business long ago.

I do not believe in the over vaccinating either, but when I posted on another thread that I felt vets did this for the money I was tarred and feathered for it.

Todays vets are just like todays medical Dr.s. It's all about the money and everyone has to be involved in their own health care. If she felt the vet was doing wrong she should have taken her dog and left to get a second opinion.

What she is doing on here is none other than vengence, for something that she did and is now regretting.

JeanieK 12-04-2009 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hartygirl (Post 2903552)
Look, I'm sorry but if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. You don't know the whole story and were not there to witness any of this first hand.

The OP has already asked you to stop commenting on here so why not just leave it at that?

Every situation is different, I know you offered a story about having your dog put down because you chose not to have a surgery preformed, but that is very different from this woman giving up her dog to do everything possible to save its life. She made rash, hasty decisions to keep her dog alive, she gave up rights to the dog, she did not give up on her. Now she wants to have her back and there is always hope, unless the dog dies she can try forever to get her baby back. I know I would. Maybe finances are not an issue anymore, whatever the case this womans heart is hurting and she wants to know her baby is OK. I believe she deserves to know.

I have not said anything unkind to her. I still feel very bad for her, but she made the decision to give it up. If she now has the money then go down there with a check.

But what she is asking people here to do is not the way to do it. Go there in person and ask to see the vet. Make and appointment if you have to. Bad mouthing them on the internet is not the right way to do it.

I believe she deserves to know too, but this is not the way to go about it.
I have compassion for her but there is a right way and awrong way to do something.

I'm happy to see she is finally getting a level head about it and making an appointment to meet with the vet. Hopefully he can make some arrangements to get the dog back. and that she does not find herself back in the same position in the future.

ally173 12-04-2009 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2903704)
I have not said anything unkind to her. I still feel very bad for her, but she made the decision to give it up. If she now has the money then go down there with a check.

But what she is asking people here to do is not the way to do it. Go there in person and ask to see the vet. Make and appointment if you have to. Bad mouthing them on the internet is not the right way to do it.

I believe she deserves to know too, but this is not the way to go about it.
I have compassion for her but there is a right way and awrong way to do something.

I'm happy to see she is finally getting a level head about it and making an appointment to meet with the vet. Hopefully he can make some arrangements to get the dog back. and that she does not find herself back in the same position in the future.

i didn't bad mouth the ER hospital; if anything dr norton was very empathatic.
i think you are confusing banfield with the ER hospital
there are 2 different practices.
and as i said i didnt give her up just to give her up; it was thanksgiving and she needed immediate medical help; so i had to do what's best for her.
i don't understand why you want to force your opinion on me or others; you made your point; once more this is not your post; and this post was intendend for kind advice and support; if you have nothing nice to say but judge then please stop.
again i think you are confusing the story and just making false judgment.

i will not respond to your posts anymore; as you are turning this into an argument or some kind of debate; and this is not what i intended.

Elegance 12-04-2009 12:05 PM

Im so deeply sorry for what avas mom is going through with these evil money hungry people at BANFIELD. I am hurting reading this thread and i want to make sure that myself, family and friends never support there acts. Are all of there clinics just called banfield? i want to be SURE i never take my baby to one of these clinics when she comes home.... And again im very sorry your going through this.

BonBon 12-04-2009 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elegance (Post 2903714)
Im so deeply sorry for what avas mom is going through with these evil money hungry people at BANFIELD. I am hurting reading this thread and i want to make sure that myself, family and friends never support there acts. Are all of there clinics just called banfield? i want to be SURE i never take my baby to one of these clinics when she comes home.... And again im very sorry your going through this.

Banfield clinics are the ones in Petsmart locations.

Elegance 12-04-2009 12:24 PM

Ok thank you bonbon I guess you really do learn something new everyday .. I never even noticed a clinic in petsmart

JeanieK 12-04-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2903709)
i didn't bad mouth the ER hospital; if anything dr norton was very empathatic.
i think you are confusing banfield with the ER hospital
there are 2 different practices.
and as i said i didnt give her up just to give her up; it was thanksgiving and she needed immediate medical help; so i had to do what's best for her.
i don't understand why you want to force your opinion on me or others; you made your point; once more this is not your post; and this post was intendend for kind advice and support; if you have nothing nice to say but judge then please stop.
again i think you are confusing the story and just making false judgment.

i will not respond to your posts anymore; as you are turning this into an argument or some kind of debate; and this is not what i intended.

I wish you luck with getting her back.

But asking people to harrass the Banfield clinic is not right. There are always 2 sides to a story, too bad we are only hearing one side of it.

ladyjane 12-04-2009 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2903737)
I wish you luck with getting her back.

But asking people to harrass the Banfield clinic is not right. There are always 2 sides to a story, too bad we are only hearing one side of it.

She is not trying to get her back. She is looking for closure. She DID have the money.

You do not know everything and honestly I don't think you need to.

You compared the fact that you euthanized a pup rather than paying for surgery that was not guaranteed to Elly surrendering Ava to someone who would/could help to give her treatment.

Would you have been more supportive had she made the choice to euthanize? I really do not understand your need to go on and on on this thread.

The girl is looking for kindness and support. She asked you nicely to not bother her, yet you continue. Why???

If people want to write to whoever, what is your problem with it? I honestly do not understand.

bchgirl 12-04-2009 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2901177)
please read my post Please help advice?- dog surrendered to hospitaldue to high cost of vet medical bill
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...ical-bill.html

and Please help me fight for Ava-

can all of you help me please fight to get Ava back
Can you write a letter to the CEO of the ER hospital telling them how you feel and what was done to me was cruel and unjust and that Ava needs to be with me; this is the info
Dr. Michael Palescandolo:
Animal Emergency & Referral Associates
1237 Bloomfield Avenue
Fairfield, NJ 07004


Also can you please email the CEO and client relation of Banfield; telling them that they should be held responsible of paying the ER bill to help me get my dog; this is the info
Karen.Johnson@Banfield.net and john.payne@banfield.net
The hospital responsible for this is Banfield hospital at 400 Milk Creek Drive, Secaucus, NJ 07094; they can't help me there; we have to write to CEO and headquarters

My dog's name is Ava Saade and my name is Elisar Saade
I would be forever grateful and in your debt; i just don't want to give up yet.
Let me know if you need any further information
Thanks much and god bless

I think perhaps her original post needs to be re-read....she is indeed seeking the return of the dog.

ladyjane 12-04-2009 12:57 PM

And....yes, I am the one who called the EC after speaking with Elly. I asked to speak with someone in charge and they were very receptive and assured me that they would let her know how Ava is. I explained that that was all she really wanted. I am not going to debate with you about the fact that that is all she wanted....just suffice it to say that I "know" for a fact that is all she wants. She knows she cannot afford to get Ava back. She just loves her...she wants to know Ava is ok. Seems pretty normal to me...she clearly loved this pup. She needs closure. You think that comes at a moment's notice...or when you just say so.
Go look at her photo albums. That alone brought tears to my eyes. The pictures say it all in my opinion.
Elly is clearly a very nice and well balanced young lady. I am very impressed with the way she has handled all of this...including the unkind remarks.

ladyjane 12-04-2009 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2903782)
I think perhaps her original post needs to be re-read....she is indeed seeking the return of the dog.


Yes....but, she moved beyond that. Trust me, I know that. Well, you don't have to trust me.
But...if you read in depth at some point she started to change that thought.

livingdustmops 12-04-2009 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2903692)
Like I said there appears to be more here than what meets the eye. Everything is hearsay. They must be very successful as vetrerinarians or they would have gone out of business long ago.

I do not believe in the over vaccinating either, but when I posted on another thread that I felt vets did this for the money I was tarred and feathered for it.

Todays vets are just like todays medical Dr.s. It's all about the money and everyone has to be involved in their own health care. If she felt the vet was doing wrong she should have taken her dog and left to get a second opinion.

What she is doing on here is none other than vengence, for something that she did and is now regretting.

Appearantly you don't have a clue about what Banfield is all about..Big business and to say they are successful at the cost of ripping people off is just wrong and is what is wrong in America today.

Please show me what thread where you were tarred and feathered...I would like to read this and possibly comment.

Stop with the word vengence...you have given your opinion ..drop it as I tell my dogs.

Banfield Pet Hospital - Banfield Class Action Lawsuit Need Participants

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - Billing practices

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - They're all about making money

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - Be careful with them

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - Wellness Care Program Ripoff

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - RIP OFF

Consumer complaints about Banfield Pet Hospital

Lyzardly: This is why you should not go to Banfield Pet Hospital

ally173 12-04-2009 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2903802)
Appearantly you don't have a clue about what Banfield is all about..Big business and to say they are successful at the cost of ripping people off is just wrong and is what is wrong in America today.

Please show me what thread where you were tarred and feathered...I would like to read this and possibly comment.

Stop with the word vengence...you have given your opinion ..drop it as I tell my dogs.

Banfield Pet Hospital - Banfield Class Action Lawsuit Need Participants

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - Billing practices

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - They're all about making money

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - Be careful with them

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - Wellness Care Program Ripoff

Banfield Pet Hospital Complaints - RIP OFF

Consumer complaints about Banfield Pet Hospital

Lyzardly: This is why you should not go to Banfield Pet Hospital

:thumbup::thumbup: thanks
there are tons of negative feedback on the web.
it's a big retail chain that overwork their vets; i am not saying they are not good; however they are overworked and tired; and that's how mistakes happen; i used to be a certified pharm tech and i know about errors; pharmacists will make error with drugs or directions if they are rushing or overworked; same law applies in any practice
you see the vet always in a rush trying to run from one room to the next; how can they spend time and care for the pets.
yes i do regret not doing the research earlier; this was my first dog and obviously didnt know any better.
if i can save one dog from them; then i am happy.
please do the research and read feedback about them before defending them.


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