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dwerten · 09-19-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun201

We have Toby back home with us now. They were going to keep him for "observation" but we decided we can observe him here. Still no definitive answers. All tests came back normal, including the ultrasound. While we are happy they're normal, it's pretty frustrating. They have him on a prescription diet of EN food for 10 days to see if that calms his stomach. Now they "think" the falling over incident may have been increased vagal tone, causing slower heartrate. I know medicine is not an exact science, but it would have been nice to have some answers. I guess on the bright side, we know all the things he doesn't have.

The final test result we were waiting on was a fecal for any stomach worms. Toby decided not to cooperate in giving a sample - I think he had had enough. They sent home Panacur for both Toby and Lola to take for 2 weeks just in case that's the problem. I'm not at all keen on giving something to them "just in case". I think I'm going to be looking for a vet...again

Thanks again for any and all input on this. At least you guys give solid answers!!!

yeah sounds like a good idea -- falling on side and going stiff is a petit mal seizure- my maltese did this when she had rosemary chicken. Please make sure nothing in treats or diet has rosemary in it incase this was a petit mal. Vomitting every 3-4 days could be ibd and could be due to diet so give the EN a shot it may help and keep us posted. I am not happy about all the crazy testing they did on your dog thought as i think the acth would have infuriated me so please post the first blood test they did as i am real curious why they put him through acth test for addisons

dwerten · 09-19-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun201

Toby is doing much better today. He slept like a baby, has eaten fairly well, and has even played a little tug of war with Lola.

He isn't quite back to himself but he seems to be working towards it.
We are searching for another vet. I know there has to be someone around here who has a clue and I'm determined to hunt them down!!
Lou, thanks so much for the thoughts. You guys are all a special breed and I am so glad I found this site

were you at michigan state university? if not if that is close to you i have heard they are excellent. He is probably exhausted as they do not sleep in the hospital as mine slept for days when he came out of the hospital as they are so stressed and so much going on they do not sleep

Ellie May · 09-20-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dwerten

were you at michigan state university? if not if that is close to you i have heard they are excellent. He is probably exhausted as they do not sleep in the hospital as mine slept for days when he came out of the hospital as they are so stressed and so much going on they do not sleep

Yes, they did go to MSU.
I thought MSU was a bit better than this.

Rerun201 · 09-20-2009, 07:20 AM

We were very happy with MSU until this incident. I don't know if maybe we got a poor ER dr. or what. The regular vets we usually see up there have been so great with both dogs, this was a real disappointment.
The blood tests are as follows:
BUN 16
Glu 93
ALP 140
T-Pro 5.3
ALT 35
Cre 0.6

WBC 15.1
LYMF 4.6
GRAN 9.2
MID 8.5
HCT 45.2
MCV 64.0
RBC 7.06
HGB 16.0
MCH 22.7
MCHC 35.5
RDW% 12.5%
MPV 10.0
PLT 351

I'm sure this will all make more sense to you than it does to me. Toby has done very well since coming home. No vomiting, has been playing and even went for a walk yesterday. He's not crazy about the EN food, but we're working with him on that. He's not used to canned food and I thought he'd like it much more than he seems to. I'm now warming it up for him and that seems to help a bit.
I truly don't know what to think, or where to go from here. I've always heard that MSU is one of the very best, and like I said, the 2 vets that he sees regularly there have been fantastic. We're due to have Lola spayed next month, so I have to figure something out pretty soon.

dwerten · 09-26-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun201

We were very happy with MSU until this incident. I don't know if maybe we got a poor ER dr. or what. The regular vets we usually see up there have been so great with both dogs, this was a real disappointment.
The blood tests are as follows:
BUN 16
Glu 93
ALP 140
T-Pro 5.3
ALT 35
Cre 0.6

WBC 15.1
LYMF 4.6
GRAN 9.2
MID 8.5
HCT 45.2
MCV 64.0
RBC 7.06
HGB 16.0
MCH 22.7
MCHC 35.5
RDW% 12.5%
MPV 10.0
PLT 351

I'm sure this will all make more sense to you than it does to me. Toby has done very well since coming home. No vomiting, has been playing and even went for a walk yesterday. He's not crazy about the EN food, but we're working with him on that. He's not used to canned food and I thought he'd like it much more than he seems to. I'm now warming it up for him and that seems to help a bit.
I truly don't know what to think, or where to go from here. I've always heard that MSU is one of the very best, and like I said, the 2 vets that he sees regularly there have been fantastic. We're due to have Lola spayed next month, so I have to figure something out pretty soon.

can you post only the highs and lows for us as that might be easier so only what is high and what is low and the normal range as it varies depending on labs.

yeah always heard they were good -- maybe go back to the other doctors when you go there as was not impressed either with this person

Gypsy Girl · 09-26-2009, 01:17 AM

Hi I am new here

Thinking of you and Toby hope he pulls through. From experience my Sidney suffers from Chronic Pancreatitis but I feel my old vet (have wonderful vet now) missed it many times when he had acute bouts as a youngster. Has your vet checked his blood for amylase and lipase enzymes (fat and protein?) If they are present at high levels in the blood, it could be pancreatitis. Is he holding his tummy tight? Maybe get a second opinion if you are not happy. A blood test is all you need to look at these enzymes (comprehensive blood profile - possibly take a little while to get the results but you would be sure). In the meantime in case it is, make sure not to give him anything fatty. Boiled Chicken and Rice or boiled white fish and rice. Just suggestions always talk to your vet first.

It is managable with diet if it is Pancreatitis but be aware that you need to tell others not to feed anything you have not authorised as a fatty treat could land him in the emergency room. Steroids and NSAID's will probably make Toby vomit and have diarrhoea as Sidney cannot tolerate any of these. Good luck to you.

I have posted all about Sidney on the emergency board as he was poorly yesterday, but doing better now.

As I say I am new, so probably posting in all the wrong places

Our thoughts are with you

Kerry and Neil, Sidney, Gypsy and Alice

dwerten · 09-26-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy Girl

Hi I am new here

Thinking of you and Toby hope he pulls through. From experience my Sidney suffers from Chronic Pancreatitis but I feel my old vet (have wonderful vet now) missed it many times when he had acute bouts as a youngster. Has your vet checked his blood for amylase and lipase enzymes (fat and protein?) If they are present at high levels in the blood, it could be pancreatitis. Is he holding his tummy tight? Maybe get a second opinion if you are not happy. A blood test is all you need to look at these enzymes (comprehensive blood profile - possibly take a little while to get the results but you would be sure). In the meantime in case it is, make sure not to give him anything fatty. Boiled Chicken and Rice or boiled white fish and rice. Just suggestions always talk to your vet first.

It is managable with diet if it is Pancreatitis but be aware that you need to tell others not to feed anything you have not authorised as a fatty treat could land him in the emergency room. Steroids and NSAID's will probably make Toby vomit and have diarrhoea as Sidney cannot tolerate any of these. Good luck to you.

I have posted all about Sidney on the emergency board as he was poorly yesterday, but doing better now.

As I say I am new, so probably posting in all the wrong places

Our thoughts are with you

Kerry and Neil, Sidney, Gypsy and Alice

i almost lost mine to pancreatitis and yes no steroids or nsaids as steroids can cause pancreatitis and this breed is very prone to pancreatitis

the true test for pancreatitis is spec cpli as amylase and lipase are not always accurate in diagnosis

Gypsy Girl · 09-26-2009, 01:40 AM

What is cpli? Just in case I need to know for future reference. Hopefully not but every little bit of knowledge helps.

Kerry

dwerten · 09-26-2009, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gypsy Girl

What is cpli? Just in case I need to know for future reference. Hopefully not but every little bit of knowledge helps.

Kerry

SPEC CPLI tests the pancreas and specific to pancreas and tli is also to do with pancreas but determines epi where as cpli determine pancreatitis - make sure your vet has the snap cpli test in house as if you have to send to lab it takes 3-4 days to come back

Gypsy Girl · 09-27-2009, 05:51 AM

Thanks for the explanation.

Kerry, Sidney, Gypsy and Alice

09-20-2009, 07:20 AM	#34
Rerun201 ♥Owned by Toby & Lola♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 524	We were very happy with MSU until this incident. I don't know if maybe we got a poor ER dr. or what. The regular vets we usually see up there have been so great with both dogs, this was a real disappointment. The blood tests are as follows: BUN 16 Glu 93 ALP 140 T-Pro 5.3 ALT 35 Cre 0.6 WBC 15.1 LYMF 4.6 GRAN 9.2 MID 8.5 HCT 45.2 MCV 64.0 RBC 7.06 HGB 16.0 MCH 22.7 MCHC 35.5 RDW% 12.5% MPV 10.0 PLT 351 I'm sure this will all make more sense to you than it does to me. Toby has done very well since coming home. No vomiting, has been playing and even went for a walk yesterday. He's not crazy about the EN food, but we're working with him on that. He's not used to canned food and I thought he'd like it much more than he seems to. I'm now warming it up for him and that seems to help a bit. I truly don't know what to think, or where to go from here. I've always heard that MSU is one of the very best, and like I said, the 2 vets that he sees regularly there have been fantastic. We're due to have Lola spayed next month, so I have to figure something out pretty soon. __________________ Becky, Toby and Lola

09-26-2009, 01:17 AM	#36
Gypsy Girl YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK Posts: 5	Hi I am new here Thinking of you and Toby hope he pulls through. From experience my Sidney suffers from Chronic Pancreatitis but I feel my old vet (have wonderful vet now) missed it many times when he had acute bouts as a youngster. Has your vet checked his blood for amylase and lipase enzymes (fat and protein?) If they are present at high levels in the blood, it could be pancreatitis. Is he holding his tummy tight? Maybe get a second opinion if you are not happy. A blood test is all you need to look at these enzymes (comprehensive blood profile - possibly take a little while to get the results but you would be sure). In the meantime in case it is, make sure not to give him anything fatty. Boiled Chicken and Rice or boiled white fish and rice. Just suggestions always talk to your vet first. It is managable with diet if it is Pancreatitis but be aware that you need to tell others not to feed anything you have not authorised as a fatty treat could land him in the emergency room. Steroids and NSAID's will probably make Toby vomit and have diarrhoea as Sidney cannot tolerate any of these. Good luck to you. I have posted all about Sidney on the emergency board as he was poorly yesterday, but doing better now. As I say I am new, so probably posting in all the wrong places Our thoughts are with you Kerry and Neil, Sidney, Gypsy and Alice

09-26-2009, 01:40 AM	#38
Gypsy Girl YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK Posts: 5	What is cpli? Just in case I need to know for future reference. Hopefully not but every little bit of knowledge helps. Kerry

09-27-2009, 05:51 AM	#40
Gypsy Girl YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK Posts: 5	Thanks for the explanation. Kerry, Sidney, Gypsy and Alice