[QUOTE=Timmy;933449]Now if the vet said he was in perfect health how can that be anyones fault? Why was he losing weight? From the coccidia? If so why did you not get him rechecked sooner? Just does not make sense to me.

True very true. But you can't read all people like books and it does happen when you sell to "That Buyer" if you know what I mean

This is because you're a kind person with a conscience. You own up to your end of the deal. Personally, if I were a breeder, I would do the same. That's the deal, things go wrong - breeding may end up costing you $$ instead of earning you $$, but at the end of the day, at least you know you did the right thing for the customer. As long as it's an absolute rarity that things do go wrong and puppies get sick. If it's more than 1 per year or even longer - I bet you would look at your breeding program to see what was going on and you wouldn't continue to have complaints of sick/dead puppies.

So... huge kudos to you for being a good person and doing the right thing!!

True you cannot ALWAYS tell, but I think multiple interviews and waiting periods can help to draw out some of that "bad behavior" Most people like that are not going to "waste their time" and will just go buy from someone who isnt as concerned with them, their life style, ect.

These are living beings, they aren't accessories. You wouldnt place a child in a home because they are the highest bidder. And I'm sure you would want to know a little more about them then you learn in a 15 min visit. I think everyone in the doggie business should really think about that and adjust the adoption process. Yes they are paying for the pup, but we want them to go to loving homes and have a successful life.

You're right, there is always "that one buyer" that will try to rip off the seller - in any industry. But can you honestly say to yourself that you think alllll of these people are "that buyer" that is trying to rip off Brushy Creek. :confused:

PS - I also have to give you credit - the farting the crow feathers comment was very funny. ;) Sorry for the delayed response - I was out of town this weekend and am just catching up.

If they dont go in for the initial vet check like it states, then I guess they arent protecting their own rights. That is why I have the contract, to protect me from those that dont follow throught with their end of the deal. Yes there are going to be things that pop up that you or the vet didnt know about and that is a fine line there as to where the fault may lie. Maybe it would be a great thread to start and see what breeders and buyers opinions are and how they handled it when it happened to them. I am new to this and want to learn and what better place to do it than here. Good points!!!!

[QUOTE=dobiedude;933476]
I never said I waited to take him to the vet. A week after I got him was when his stool was loose I immediately took him to see a vet once again. As a matter of fact I went to another vet because my vet couldn't see him that day. He was on meds and he was better. I took him for a re-check and they took another stool sample and that came back okay. Then 1 month later he started to get sick again and thats when they had to put him on IV's...1 hr after the IV my boy was his normal self again. We had stool samples done which came back okay. Never knew what was the cause of him rapidly losing weight, not eating or drinking. I even had x-rays done just to make sure he didn't swallow something he wasn't suppose to and that came back clear. As soon as any of them get sick they go to the vet that same day. I never got any support from the person I bought him from so I know what everyone else is going through. The point here is why Mr. Moore is not getting back to these ppl. Yes I understand that not every puppy is going to be healthy but at least have some kind of concern. What it comes down to is that he doesn't care about the puppies...its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$.

IT IS WHAT IT IS! $$$$$$$$$

[QUOTE=dobiedude;933468]Again, I will have to disagree. I breed my Germ. Shep. I had a litter at the beg. of spring last year. I raise my pups underfoot. I know if they are eating good, if their stools like right, if they are playful like they should be, etc. My pups came down with worms. I knew it within a few days and they were all treated and cleared before any went to new homes. A few years back I had a pup that I noticed wasn't growing the same as the others. After some tests it was revealed she had a heart defect. Now if I didn't care I could have sold her as the runt. She didn't pass away until she was almost 6 mos. so I could have then blamed the new owner. I care about my pups as much as the parents.
And to finalize, someone who breeds so many different dogs they have to hire help. Well, I am just speechless on that one.

But people hang coyotes on the fence to keep other coyotes from coming on the property .... which doesn't even work .. learned in a Wildlife Ecology class.. and you hung the dog on the fence to learn who the owner is right???? IS that really the only way for you to get in contact with the owner?? I doubt it ... I mean maybe it was in a fit of rage that you did it .. all i know is it was insensitive and inhumane.......:thumbdown

I personally would have been horrified to see this. And as a child, it could scar you for the rest of your life. Children love dogs - to see something they love dead, bleeding, and hanging on a fence would be extremely traumatizing. Even as an adult, if one of my dogs was dead, bleeding, and hanging on a fence I would be very traumatized. The whole story sounds like a horror movie. :eek:

Shooting the dog for killing the llamas I could understand - but the rest???? Not so much.

Yup I agree it would help everyone in the long run. That way both parties know what is really expected and you don't have the miscommunication that seem to occur. People can only try their best. I just wanted to show there is always the other side and if people work together most of the time it will get resolved. But alas people get upset and things turn ugly and its a lose lose situation.

I agree IF people work together. How are the unhappy customers supposed to work WITH Mr. Moore if he wont answer their phone calls?

[QUOTE=Timmy;933513]I see what your saying but you have to admit no one could have predicted the problems you had. It appears no one could explain it, its not anyone's fault it just happened. Another question though what could the person you bought the dog from do that you already didn't do? You did the right thing by not waiting and being proactive.

Hence the reason I hung the dog keep the people off my property and find the owner (your right the coyote on the fence does not work and neither does the boots on the fence)
I know for a fact that the person would not come forward.
His friends who came down and claimed the dog stated that he wouldn't do it because he knew it would cost him money. I would have challenged you to come and find the person as a matter of fact the person who shot them in the head is still at large so please come and investigate with your super skills.
How was it inhumane? The dog didn't suffer like my llama did. Now that was inhumane.

As I read they called he answered and they called each other names and then the phone was hung up. (I think it said that from a latter post) if that was the case it does no good for anyone.

Find what person?????? Why are we talking about finding anyone? If you are referring to the owner of the dog you know who it is since his friends came forward. With my "super skills" you sure are funny aren't you???????? HA HA HA. It is inhumane to kill a dog! There are other ways to go about things .... it may not have been that big of a deal if you didn't display your act by hanging it on the fence.

Anyways I have stated my opinion I am done going back & forth with this situation .. its not even the purpose of this thread. So take your snide remarks elsewhere. :D

If I had a llama and a dog was attacking it I would shoot the dog in a heartbeat as would many that have livestock. I wouldnt hang the body over a fence but the dog would be dead. It is the owners responsibility to control their dog not everyone else

That is why he need to do the interview. Let people know if he even tried to correct the problems and let people in to see his kennel if he has nothing to hide. If he doesnt then people are going to assume the worst. Kinda like someone accused of murder, if he decides to not testify on his behalf even tho that is his right, it looks like he has something to hide by keeping quiet. That is just my take on it.

I'm not trying to say I wouldn't shoot the dog if it was attacking my animals .. I am just agreeing with you saying its not right to hang it on the fence...

Oh well I agree.

I agree 100% with you. If he is running a reputable business and truly taking care of ALL of the animals there is no reason not to allow people to see the truth. But even if it is clean, it doesn't make up for the way some customers are saying they were treated.

I know nothing about Brush Creek so my comments are pointed to irresponsible breeding practices. I think there are two distinct issues being brought up here.

1. what is a breeders responsbility in regards to a sick pup

but more importantly

2. breeding practices that lead to a large percentage of health issues

Ginger came from a not-so-reputable breeder (no, I didn't do my research) and has had many minor (thank god) health issues as have her siblings from the same litter.

My vet (and another) more or less explained to us that a lot of the problems she is having arise when breeders indiscriminately breed dogs without taking into account their history, breed fathers to daughters, brother to sisters, etc...

To me, more important than the 4 or 5 people who are speaking up here is what type of breeding practices is this man employing???

Many health issues can be foreseen when irresponsible breeding practices are employed. Many of those same issues are avoided by responsible practices.

Worms don't come from bad breeding, but hip displasia (sp), allergies, heart disease, etc., do.

Oh yeah I agree. But who knows I would be kinda hesitant because of the way the media has a way of turning things around. As FOX has already said they do not want to see the satisfied owners they only want the upset owners. That is my take on it too.

I agree 100% way to go.
Thanks for your input.

Well, I can assure you that FOX wouldn't be doing a story if there was only a small number of unhappy owners and 100's upon 100's of happy, satisfied owners. That wouldn't really make a story now would it.

I am pretty new to the boards but remember reading about a scammer that came here. She was posting sob stories on how she was going to lose everything. She was selling I believe dog treats to raise some money. Some posters here just simply sent a donation. Others ordered from her and helped out that way. In the end, only a small percent actually got what they ordered or a refund. The rest were simply scammed.
So talk to all the ones she scammed and I am sure you will hear a completely different story from the ones that actually rec'd something. That's a fact of life.

I think it was wolfshepard...not sure. That said he was calling and calling and no one would speak with him. Or when they do answer the phone its pretty much a F**K you and hang up.

That isnt working with people.

For some reason I keep finding myself over hear reading this. One I keep having to defend myself, for sticking up for the place I bought my babies from, and the other to let everyone know I am not woth Brushy Creek.
I am not with Brushy Creek. I bought 2 Yorkies from them,my babies are in great health.
I have offered to go out to the kennel and look. The thing is, how do I know it is a bad kennel? I have no clue what it is suppose to look like? Can someone find me pictures to compare it with? Then I will find the time to go out there.
I will let you know what it looked like compared to any pictures you find me.
That is all I can do to help.

Well thats my point about the media they will focus on partial truths and not complete truths. So never be too sure about the media.
I have had/been at (unrelated) events were the news coverage was somewhat sparse and not exactly 100 % what happened.
I always relate it to the game we use to play in school where someone is told a story and then they are suppose to pass it on to the next person and so on until it gets to the last person who finally tells the butchered story to the whole class. As I always remember it the story was way off from when it started.
But we will just have to see how FOX does and how this whole thing plays out its been fun talking about it anyway. Even though I have been accused of playing many parts in this whole thing! lol

I just wanted to add

"breeding practices" That include importing a majority of the dogs being sold (100's) from other counties just makes the risk larger. How can you be sure what dogs are being bred? If they are related ect.

In my opinion you cant really call yourself a breeder if these are your standard practice.

I think everyone agrees with you that there are always two sides to a story. However, interviewing the satisfied customers is not going to accomplish anything. I think interviewing Mr. Moore himself would suffice to showing the "other side" of the story.

Think about the situation with your llamas. Let's say this pit bull continuously came back to attack your llamas time and time again - each time killing 1 llama. Say you spoke to the owner of the dog and he said "I wasn't there, I can't do anything" and never restrained his dog. After killing off all your llamas the news comes to do a story. Would you want interviews of neighbors saying "oh the pitbull was such a sweet dog - he would never do anything to harm another animal! dobiedude never should have killed him!"?

There is always going to be a satisfied customer - lots of them. But when the point of the story is the breeding practices and multiple sick/dead dogs with no resolution, the happy customers do not come in to play. What would interviewing a happy customer accomplish? Valbholmes could tell her story of how she received two healthy puppies, but what would that do? It's kind of a null point. Interviewing Mr. Moore would accomplish something. It would let him defend himself and his breeding practices and allow him to explain how many satisfied customers he has. See what I mean?