Trump signs federal ban on animal cruelty

[lilgidget]

Originally Posted by yavenay

Hmmmm, wonder if his sons who like to kill animals will get locked up?

Now that's an interesting question.

[matese]

Actress Mia Farrow took a shot at President Donald Trump and his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump after the president signed into law a bill making animal cruelty a federal crime.
Farrow resurfaced a photo of Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump posing with a dead leopard during a hunting trip in Zimbabwe in 2010. The Rosemary's Baby star wrote alongside the image that she posted on Tuesday: "@realDonaldTrump ⁩tell your sons that animal cruelty is now a crime."
The Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture Act was signed into law by President Trump on Monday. People convicted of acts of animal cruelty—including suffocating, burning, crushing and/or drowning animals—can now face up to seven years in prison. There were previously varying degrees of state-level animal cruelty laws in all 50 states.
I have to add,

if they had a hunting permit to kill this leopard they didn't commit a crime.
I myself am against all hunting even tho I know it is a humane way to lower the huge population of deer and bears that starve to death over the winter months, who lost much land because of homes being built where animals once fed on.

Hunting these animals (deer and bear) also feed a lot of ppl.
Just my feelings.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yavenay

Hmmmm, wonder if his sons who like to kill animals will get locked up?

There is a deference in hunting and animal cruelty...........

[yorkietalkjilly]

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Quite a difference between killing for sport or food and killing for sicko pleasure - just to 'enjoy' taking a life, though I don't know how anybody can stand to kill an animal for sport, or even food, many still do. Herd thinning is a kindness to prevent overpopulation and weeks of starvation. And now days, killing exotic animals is even worse as so many of them are growing fewer and fewer in number. All I can say is thank God I don't have to kill animals myself in order to have meat, though I eat very little of it.

I'm pretty sure I'd have to be a vegetarian if meat weren't prepackaged and for sale! Just don't know how in the world you feed, water, care for and raise a chicken and then wring its neck and pluck and dismember it and then cook it! Gag! I'd be so sick from all I'd the gross things I'd done and seen to have that chicken meat, pretty darn sure I couldn't bear to eat it without tossing it right up again. Sometimes I watch Bear Grylls on TV and involuntarily retch every time it shows him 'skinning' wildlife so I know when to look away! The very word 'skinning' makes me massively queasy.

I know Ms. Farrow knows and socializes with very many wealthy/famous men, and women, who now or at one time did, hunt animals and birds for sport. So hypocritical of people like that who use the platform of fame to point fingers at those they disagree with politically while winking at their friends, cohorts and politicians of their political party of choice did/do exactly the same thing.

[Lovetodream88]

Maybe this will help you see a more positive side of trophy hunting https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YUA8i5S0YMU

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Maybe this will help you see a more positive side of trophy hunting https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YUA8i5S0YMU

Call it what you will, even referring to the now-dead former noble wild beast as a hedonistic "Trophy"(GAG! GAG! GAG!), as long as it's done to better the lives of other, existing endangered, at-risk animals, it makes practical sense or in the purist form of self-defense, at least. I still don't get how taking an expensive, specially configured weapon or rudimentary sawed-off shotgun, that gives the hunter all the advantages vs. a wild animal who is armed only by its wit,animal sensibilities and physical abilities, is considered 'sporting' or even necessary to one's enjoyment and appreciation of human life, is all that satisfying or better than a good, brisk tennis game, 5K run, winning at chess or watching a football game! Never did get an understanding of the thrill or excitement of a killing a wild thing! Never will in any context but pure self-defense or conservation.

I mean, folks of the 21st. century, can't we find ANYTHING better to do than take the life of the a wild creature to fill our leisure time? And, oh, just suppose you, hungrily eager for your thrill/trophy/unnecessary, food kill, only manage to maim it or cripple it, and the poor, bleeding thing can effort an escape, before you can finally manage a kill shot? Unless you have a professional tracker with you, that poor beast will suffer and agonize until and if it can manage to slowly bleed to death or die from infection or exposure, unable to find a safe place out of the sun, rain or cold to nurse it wounds; or worse, live in pain and disability, unable to provide for itself until its starves or is unable to fend off another animal's attack or extremes of weather. Pause and think of how THAT would make a normal, empathetic human feel about his or her day's use of time and energy, okay? We good we that?

But if the killing is approved, not by bribed local officials to line their pockets, but by true animal-loving conservationists living for enough time in the locale to truly know the wildlife conditions of all the species, with that animal or the larger herd's well-being the SOLE concern, kill the necessary number, only as necessary for trying to ensure a better life for those other creatures the death(s) should better advance. But if you kill a wild beast IN CASE it might one day kill or injure a human, I say better educate, protect and arm the humans, let the poor wild animal who wants to or who may have a family to feed, stay alive to enjoy its free pursuit of life.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Call it what you will, even referring to the now-dead former noble wild beast as a hedonistic "Trophy"(GAG! GAG! GAG!), as long as it's done to better the lives of other, existing endangered, at-risk animals, it makes practical sense or in the purist form of self-defense, at least. I still don't get how taking an expensive, specially configured weapon or rudimentary sawed-off shotgun, that gives the hunter all the advantages vs. a wild animal who is armed only by its wit,animal sensibilities and physical abilities, is considered 'sporting' or even necessary to one's enjoyment and appreciation of human life, is all that satisfying or better than a good, brisk tennis game, 5K run, winning at chess or watching a football game! Never did get an understanding of the thrill or excitement of a killing a wild thing! Never will in any context but pure self-defense or conservation.

I mean, folks of the 21st. century, can't we find ANYTHING better to do than take the life of the a wild creature to fill our leisure time? And, oh, just suppose you, hungrily eager for your thrill/trophy/unnecessary, food kill, only manage to maim it or cripple it, and the poor, bleeding thing can effort an escape, before you can finally manage a kill shot? Unless you have a professional tracker with you, that poor beast will suffer and agonize until and if it can manage to slowly bleed to death or die from infection or exposure, unable to find a safe place out of the sun, rain or cold to nurse it wounds; or worse, live in pain and disability, unable to provide for itself until its starves or is unable to fend off another animal's attack or extremes of weather. Pause and think of how THAT would make a normal, empathetic human feel about his or her day's use of time and energy, okay? We good we that?

But if the killing is approved, not by bribed local officials to line their pockets, but by true animal-loving conservationists living for enough time in the locale to truly know the wildlife conditions of all the species, with that animal or the larger herd's well-being the SOLE concern, kill the necessary number, only as necessary for trying to ensure a better life for those other creatures the death(s) should better advance. But if you kill a wild beast IN CASE it might one day kill or injure a human, I say better educate, protect and arm the humans, let the poor wild animal who wants to or who may have a family to feed, stay alive to enjoy its free pursuit of life.

I’m from a family of hunters of many generations. If people did not hunt deer, ducks and such we would be over run and here we already have way to many deer jumping out into traffic. Most hunters practice and one wondering off after being shot is very rare and generally they are able to be tracked if it happens. Everyone I am related to that does it use every part of the animal possible and yes as food. Whether you agree with it or not that’s how lots of people get food and did before grocery stores. At least you know the meet you are getting hunting doesn’t have antibiotics, pink slime and everything else our government says is ok but isn’t good for us. My uncle just had to kill a fox because it was getting into my aunts ducks and killed two and injured two more.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I’m from a family of hunters of many generations. If people did not hunt deer, ducks and such we would be over run and here we already have way to many deer jumping out into traffic. Most hunters practice and one wondering off after being shot is very rare and generally they are able to be tracked if it happens. Everyone I am related to that does it use every part of the animal possible and yes as food. Whether you agree with it or not that’s how lots of people get food and did before grocery stores. At least you know the meet you are getting hunting doesn’t have antibiotics, pink slime and everything else our government says is ok but isn’t good for us. My uncle just had to kill a fox because it was getting into my aunts ducks and killed two and injured two more.

I said I approve killing in self-defense - of oneself or one's property as long as it's truly done for those reasons. And ALL of the males in my family except my son were/are avid hunters, skilled marksmen and the very thought of it still horrifies me. We all knowingly eat/drink produce and other food, drinks, spirits, reeking with impurities, bacteria, viruses, insecticides and preservatives, all kinds of unhealthful additives for me to glory over freshly-dead wild animal meat friends and loved ones have offed for that "pure" meat, however ill or old the animal might have been when killed by my kin! I want to still be able to look myself in the mirror without knowing that one of my loved ones 'generously' put a bullet, knife or spear through a wild animal for me!

Ate vineson a few times and kind of liked the taste back then, though my mother-in-law used a great deal of spices to tame the taste. Only last 7 or 8 years did I give the issue of sport hunting wild animals and fowl and changed my mind about it. The eating of wild animals killed for sport or food turns my stomach to think of the wild, free life of a noble, free beast that was taken for that very real human experience, when we can buy our food. I decided it wasn't worth it, killing lovely wild, free creatures for so-called 'pure, clean' meat' when we all eat/drink so many other harmful things, so I'll take anything that wasn't living wild and free not long before I ate it from the bloody hand of one of my dearly beloved ones. Prefer to eat the small amount of meat I do eat that comes from livestock/farm animals raised and killed as professionally and organically as humanely possible by those other than the ones I sit across or next to at table and kiss frequently! As I've said many times, I am too much of a wuss to have made in in olden days!

Yes, like you and all of us, I've read, seen media productions on the inhumane ways that some poor livestock are raised and horribly, haphazardly killed. or our drinks, spirits manufactured/stored, but a sentient society works daily to weed those criminal food/drink producers out of business and sometimes even legally fine or prosecute them. Much more must be done! And be it loaded with whatever impurities or other, so be it. Life itself can be impure, unsafe and insecure. We don't really know what we take into our bodies is 100% safe, clean and pure unless we have a reliable lab pre-test each item we eat or drink, puff or swallow!

We take drugs, OTC supplements, drink soft drinks, spirits we don't even know what is REALLY inside them or how they were manufactured, aged or stored. So many people we know or hear about smoke weed, production process totally unknown unless they organically raised it themselves! Our and most other famililies I know have all lived long and well eating food and drinking drinks from grocery, drink stores, etc., so we haven't exactly unduly suffered and live generally longer than our imediate ancestors unless we overly indulge or under exercise.

And the deer, elk, bison, wolves, other wild animals Wildlife Control allows to be killed each season for thinning what they perceive is overpopulation, I understand and approve of for the thriving of those left alive. But for my part, the food harvested from them can go to other carnivores, I just can't bring myself to eat those wonderful, beatiful, powerful, once wild creatures' meat or appreciate those that seem to so enjoy the 'sport' of stalking and killing them, however much good they are doing the rest of the wildlife population. Some of the hunters just seem a bit too juiced and a bit too gratified over the successful experience of hunting and killing, field-dressing, for me to stomach, love them though I do! Just don't expect me to enjoy the meat they bring back.

[yorkietalkjilly]

P. S. My grandmother and mother told me stories of my grandfather and very young father during the Great Depression, hunting, killing deer and rabbits to field-dress to take to hungry families during those bad times, when wages from work were not to be had, families were starving, some eating only every 3 days and living in empty repossessed homes they'd surreptitiously moved into during the night on the sly for shelter for as long as they could go unobserved! Fresh milk was not to be had or even the especially pricey, canned milk, always on back order even for those who'd saved up to buy a can for their baby. Even the grocery stores were going out of business. And they hunted, killed and fed hungry people who ordinarily wouldn't have eaten but they had long hunted, killed before the Depression. It was still a way of life back then when grocery stores, restaurants weren't dotted all over, meat wasn't readily available. They killed to protect their property as they hadn't the funds to replace what animals repeatedly damaged. I'm so very proud of them for that. My young dad, before I was born, once shot a ferocious, wild dog chasing, lunging at and biting at everything that was in its vicinity and even things that weren't there, bagged its body and took it to the vet miles away = vets were few and far between back then. Big, tall, muscled, tough, highly intelligent, quick-witted, funny, handsome, he was a man's man and could conceive, design and make most things he'd self-engineered, given a few tools and materials. He worked most of his life producing/repairing airplanes, then retrofitting heavy-machinery for duties for which there were yet no designs or machines. He always loved hunting as a getaway, God bless him.

My Dad was my Hero! And the hunting, killing skills were ingrained in him from his bones, from his DNA by my grandfather and his grandfather, all his ancestors; and love him more than life itself, if he were alive today and brought me a deer he'd killed, for whatever noble reason, I'd have to kiss him, hug him, thank him and pass, unless I myself were starving and unable to otherwise get any food. And he'd just grin, look down, shake his head and say, 'Oh, Button, you and your animals!' He knew his daughter! Plenty of food banks and animal shelters would love deer meat!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I said I approve killing in self-defense - of oneself or one's property as long as it's truly done for those reasons. And ALL of the males in my family except my son were/are avid hunters, skilled marksmen and the very thought of it still horrifies me. We all knowingly eat/drink produce and other food, drinks, spirits, reeking with impurities, bacteria, viruses, insecticides and preservatives, all kinds of unhealthful additives for me to glory over freshly-dead wild animal meat friends and loved ones have offed for that "pure" meat, however ill or old the animal might have been when killed by my kin! I want to still be able to look myself in the mirror without knowing that one of my loved ones 'generously' put a bullet, knife or spear through a wild animal for me!

Ate vineson a few times and kind of liked the taste back then, though my mother-in-law used a great deal of spices to tame the taste. Only last 7 or 8 years did I give the issue of sport hunting wild animals and fowl and changed my mind about it. The eating of wild animals killed for sport or food turns my stomach to think of the wild, free life of a noble, free beast that was taken for that very real human experience, when we can buy our food. I decided it wasn't worth it, killing lovely wild, free creatures for so-called 'pure, clean' meat' when we all eat/drink so many other harmful things, so I'll take anything that wasn't living wild and free not long before I ate it from the bloody hand of one of my dearly beloved ones. Prefer to eat the small amount of meat I do eat that comes from livestock/farm animals raised and killed as professionally and organically as humanely possible by those other than the ones I sit across or next to at table and kiss frequently! As I've said many times, I am too much of a wuss to have made in in olden days!

Yes, like you and all of us, I've read, seen media productions on the inhumane ways that some poor livestock are raised and horribly, haphazardly killed. or our drinks, spirits manufactured/stored, but a sentient society works daily to weed those criminal food/drink producers out of business and sometimes even legally fine or prosecute them. Much more must be done! And be it loaded with whatever impurities or other, so be it. Life itself can be impure, unsafe and insecure. We don't really know what we take into our bodies is 100% safe, clean and pure unless we have a reliable lab pre-test each item we eat or drink, puff or swallow!

We take drugs, OTC supplements, drink soft drinks, spirits we don't even know what is REALLY inside them or how they were manufactured, aged or stored. So many people we know or hear about smoke weed, production process totally unknown unless they organically raised it themselves! Our and most other famililies I know have all lived long and well eating food and drinking drinks from grocery, drink stores, etc., so we haven't exactly unduly suffered and live generally longer than our imediate ancestors unless we overly indulge or under exercise.

And the deer, elk, bison, wolves, other wild animals Wildlife Control allows to be killed each season for thinning what they perceive is overpopulation, I understand and approve of for the thriving of those left alive. But for my part, the food harvested from them can go to other carnivores, I just can't bring myself to eat those wonderful, beatiful, powerful, once wild creatures' meat or appreciate those that seem to so enjoy the 'sport' of stalking and killing them, however much good they are doing the rest of the wildlife population. Some of the hunters just seem a bit too juiced and a bit too gratified over the successful experience of hunting and killing, field-dressing, for me to stomach, love them though I do! Just don't expect me to enjoy the meat they bring back.

Actually you can eat pretty clean without the additives. If you really think the meat you are buying from the store is done humanly I think you might be hiding your head in the sand. Animals you are buying the meat from are kept in tiny dirty pens, fed antibiotics to kill certain things and keep them “healthy”, and they are not killed humanely. Don’t even get me started about the milk industry. To say it’s ok to eat meat from the store but not hunt is honestly hypocritical. We would have an over population issue which would then cause more sick wild animals. A man should be proud of going out and hunting an animal to feed their family. There are a whole heck of a lot worse things then hunting!

[Lovetodream88]

We could go back and forth with the hunting thing forever but it’s very off topic to this thread. Hunting is not animal cruelty so again off topic.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Actually you can eat pretty clean without the additives. If you really think the meat you are buying from the store is done humanly I think you might be hiding your head in the sand. Animals you are buying the meat from are kept in tiny dirty pens, fed antibiotics to kill certain things and keep them “healthy”, and they are not killed humanely. Don’t even get me started about the milk industry. To say it’s ok to eat meat from the store but not hunt is honestly hypocritical. We would have an over population issue which would then cause more sick wild animals. A man should be proud of going out and hunting an animal to feed their family. There are a whole heck of a lot worse things then hunting!

Never made the claim that the way farm-raised animals is saintly, but then neither is the act of stalking, chasing and first-shot killing a free-willed, wild animal in the midst of living his own precious life. That wild beast knows man, fears man and knows he's being chased by the ultimate predator on this earth and most wildlife live their lives trying to avoid humans. But their last hours on this earth are lived in total fear, on the run for their very lives, suffering until the final kill shot(don't kid yourself most first shots are kill shots), doesn't sound all that humane to me for a few main courses for the hunter's table.

I realize I will never change the minds of hunters that the grisly hunting process of stalking, chasing, and killing a free, wild beast, born and raised in the wild to live, migrate, run for as long as it likes, forage, mate and nurture, tend its young and enjoy the freedom of it wild nature - that whole process of stalking, hunting it down, using mostly high-tech gadgets to zoom in on the living target seems unduly grisly, gruesome and unnecessarily inhumane to me. Especially when you can buy organic meat and even wild venison, bison, etc. from a store.

I see a dramatic difference in taking the life of a wild beast living free, able to respond to its need to be wild and free, using his skills and wits to exist, sire/birth/care for a family vs. that of a domesticated farm cow or chicken who largely seem far less sentient and free-willed than wild beasts such as tigers, giraffe, leopards, deer, wolves, wild rabbits and Eagles, falcons. To kill a free wild beast for food seems somehow so wrong just to get 'pure' meat and that's falsely pre-supposing all the other things we all take into our bodies aren't polluted and full of harmful things of which we have no idea. And if hunters believe all the other things we consume are pure, I've got a wonderful bridge to sell them. That/those meal(s) of wild, pure meat will actually mean little to their overall health in the long run - but that kill means everything to that poor beast and any dependent mate and/or little ones.

To those who enjoy hunting wild beasts for sport, not out of true need, I only ask them to think how those few meals of 'pure' wild meat will mean to their total lifespan in the whole 70 - 85 years vs. what they've just wantonly taken from that formerly noble, wild animal. That happy hunter just ended his/her whole existence on this earth when that sportsman didn't really have to, maybe disrupted a family to his/her mate, babies, for a couple meals and whatever "thrill" he/she got from the whole process of hunting down, killing, blooding and dispatching whatever is left of the magnificent beast. Hope it was really somehow satisfying and worth taking that wonderfully free and wild life to each hunter who just wilfully took a wild life for sport and or dinner.

To those of us against sport hunting, it is cruelty to animals as all of the would-be targets of hunters want to live, are frightened out of their wits, seeking to try to stay alive with every skill, last bit of energy and endurance they have, frequently suffer bruises, fractures, sprains and open wounds during the chase and certainly know cruel pain and fear after the first shot, should it not immediately kill them - and we know not all of our hunters are crack shots. Please don't try to tell me that's not cruelty to a wild animal by definition. I can only hope that one day hunting wild animals purely for sport will one day be outlawed the same way kicking, crushing or hurting an animal has now been signed into law but I recognize that's not likely to happen.

And if Admin wants to remove and transfer this part of the discussion to another thread, that's fine with me, but all dog lovers are largely animal lovers, appreciate and understand what is cruel to an animal and I ask all readers to think of how cruel the 'sport' of hunting down and killing for sport live, breathing, wild animals can be to that particular wild-born animal for any food we can otherwise buy. And, you'll be glad to read, I don't want to overstay my welcome on this subject so I'll defer from future posts.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Never made the claim that the way farm-raised animals is saintly, but then neither is the act of stalking, chasing and first-shot killing a free-willed, wild animal in the midst of living his own precious life. That wild beast knows man, fears man and knows he's being chased by the ultimate predator on this earth and most wildlife live their lives trying to avoid humans. But their last hours on this earth are lived in total fear, on the run for their very lives, suffering until the final kill shot(don't kid yourself most first shots are kill shots), doesn't sound all that humane to me for a few main courses for the hunter's table.

I realize I will never change the minds of hunters that the grisly hunting process of stalking, chasing, and killing a free, wild beast, born and raised in the wild to live, migrate, run for as long as it likes, forage, mate and nurture, tend its young and enjoy the freedom of it wild nature - that whole process of stalking, hunting it down, using mostly high-tech gadgets to zoom in on the living target seems unduly grisly, gruesome and unnecessarily inhumane to me. Especially when you can buy organic meat and even wild venison, bison, etc. from a store.

I see a dramatic difference in taking the life of a wild beast living free, able to respond to its need to be wild and free, using his skills and wits to exist, sire/birth/care for a family vs. that of a domesticated farm cow or chicken who largely seem far less sentient and free-willed than wild beasts such as tigers, giraffe, leopards, deer, wolves, wild rabbits and Eagles, falcons. To kill a free wild beast for food seems somehow so wrong just to get 'pure' meat and that's falsely pre-supposing all the other things we all take into our bodies aren't polluted and full of harmful things of which we have no idea. And if hunters believe all the other things we consume are pure, I've got a wonderful bridge to sell them. That/those meal(s) of wild, pure meat will actually mean little to their overall health in the long run - but that kill means everything to that poor beast and any dependent mate and/or little ones.

To those who enjoy hunting wild beasts for sport, not out of true need, I only ask them to think how those few meals of 'pure' wild meat will mean to their total lifespan in the whole 70 - 85 years vs. what they've just wantonly taken from that formerly noble, wild animal. That happy hunter just ended his/her whole existence on this earth when that sportsman didn't really have to, maybe disrupted a family to his/her mate, babies, for a couple meals and whatever "thrill" he/she got from the whole process of hunting down, killing, blooding and dispatching whatever is left of the magnificent beast. Hope it was really somehow satisfying and worth taking that wonderfully free and wild life to each hunter who just wilfully took a wild life for sport and or dinner.

To those of us against sport hunting, it is cruelty to animals as all of the would-be targets of hunters want to live, are frightened out of their wits, seeking to try to stay alive with every skill, last bit of energy and endurance they have, frequently suffer bruises, fractures, sprains and open wounds during the chase and certainly know cruel pain and fear after the first shot, should it not immediately kill them - and we know not all of our hunters are crack shots. Please don't try to tell me that's not cruelty to a wild animal by definition. I can only hope that one day hunting wild animals purely for sport will one day be outlawed the same way kicking, crushing or hurting an animal has now been signed into law but I recognize that's not likely to happen.

And if Admin wants to remove and transfer this part of the discussion to another thread, that's fine with me, but all dog lovers are largely animal lovers, appreciate and understand what is cruel to an animal and I ask all readers to think of how cruel the 'sport' of hunting down and killing for sport live, breathing, wild animals can be to that particular wild-born animal for any food we can otherwise buy. And, you'll be glad to read, I don't want to overstay my welcome on this subject so I'll defer from future posts.

You can’t just go to the store for venison normally and it’s very expensive. There is nothing wrong with hunting for food. What do you think was done before the grocery stores opened? Hunting isn’t cruel. People who hunt are not cruel people either.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

You can’t just go to the store for venison normally and it’s very expensive. There is nothing wrong with hunting for food. What do you think was done before the grocery stores opened? Hunting isn’t cruel. People who hunt are not cruel people either.

Promised to get off my soapbox but since you asked the question, of course, if we had no other way to feed ourselves or our families and had no access to meat other than hunting wild game for it, we'd have to hunt and kill our meat, however ugly the process might seem to us. Hopefully, we, as a society, draw the line somewhere at wholesale butchering of wild animals when meat became readily available on the corner store and now even online. Game meat is for sale at many local farms and ranches and online.

The magnificent, beautiful, exotic tiger, amazing, imperial lion, noble, long-lived elephant, the graceful, elegant leopard, lovely bald eagle, are all now legally protected I believe, necessary due to bloodthirsty game hunters. I hope hunters aren't actually all cruel, savage people, just mostly folks who haven't thought about the wild animal they target for a kill as perhaps the sole provider for its young family or a simply as a lovely, free being living by its wits worthy of living its life for its own needs, pursuits and pleasures when those same hunters can easily buy food in today's society. So why spill its blood?

Can't help but wonder why avid hunters don't hunt cows, chickens, pigs or goats and just seem to want to hunt and take the lives of wild, free 'game' beasts like tigers, lion, bear, leopards, giraffe, elephant, deer, wild rabbits and game birds on the wing? Is it because they all know to flee from predators and strive with all their efforts to get away and live on - and the others don't - usually don't offer any resistance at all unless we hurt or try to restrain them? Is it the resistance and abject fear of the poor wild animal that drives the hunter to love to stalk, chase and kill it, spill its blood, to conquer it? What brings out the need of some humans in today's world of plenty to hunt and kill the animals that fear and try their best to run from we humans? And I further wonder why all that fish and meat in supermarkets or the butcher shop and even game meat for sale isn't good enough? Oops, sorry all, slipped back up onto that soapbox!

I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree about wild 'game' hunting in this day and time when all kinds of foods, fish, meats and even game meat are not that hard to buy. Heck, today, we don't even have to venture out of our homes to order any kind of food to be delivered right to our front door! (Once again, for those who have skip-read or haven't seen my previous posts about the topic of hunting, not forgetting the point I've repeatedly made, that if a human hunts wild game from need, to prolong life, to truly make ends meet or protect itself or its belongings, the taking of that wild life is considered a necessary act of self-preservation.)

BUT, to bring us back to this happy thread, we can all on this forum agree that this thread that lauds the great Pact Act bill, created and brought to our Congress by animal-lovers and signed into law by our President, has made our beloved dogs and animals everywhere and their fans and families a whole lot safer and happier is a good thread - haha, my favorite in a long time!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Promised to get off my soapbox but since you asked the question, of course, if we had no other way to feed ourselves or our families and had no access to meat other than hunting wild game for it, we'd have to hunt and kill our meat, however ugly the process might seem to us. Hopefully, we, as a society, draw the line somewhere at wholesale butchering of wild animals when meat became readily available on the corner store and now even online. Game meat is for sale at many local farms and ranches and online.

The magnificent, beautiful, exotic tiger, amazing, imperial lion, noble, long-lived elephant, the graceful, elegant leopard, lovely bald eagle, are all now legally protected I believe, necessary due to bloodthirsty game hunters. I hope hunters aren't actually all cruel, savage people, just mostly folks who haven't thought about the wild animal they target for a kill as perhaps the sole provider for its young family or a simply as a lovely, free being living by its wits worthy of living its life for its own needs, pursuits and pleasures when those same hunters can easily buy food in today's society. So why spill its blood?

Can't help but wonder why avid hunters don't hunt cows, chickens, pigs or goats and just seem to want to hunt and take the lives of wild, free 'game' beasts like tigers, lion, bear, leopards, giraffe, elephant, deer, wild rabbits and game birds on the wing? Is it because they all know to flee from predators and strive with all their efforts to get away and live on - and the others don't - usually don't offer any resistance at all unless we hurt or try to restrain them? Is it the resistance and abject fear of the poor wild animal that drives the hunter to love to stalk, chase and kill it, spill its blood, to conquer it? What brings out the need of some humans in today's world of plenty to hunt and kill the animals that fear and try their best to run from we humans? And I further wonder why all that fish and meat in supermarkets or the butcher shop and even game meat for sale isn't good enough? Oops, sorry all, slipped back up onto that soapbox!

I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree about wild 'game' hunting in this day and time when all kinds of foods, fish, meats and even game meat are not that hard to buy. Heck, today, we don't even have to venture out of our homes to order any kind of food to be delivered right to our front door! (Once again, for those who have skip-read or haven't seen my previous posts about the topic of hunting, not forgetting the point I've repeatedly made, that if a human hunts wild game from need, to prolong life, to truly make ends meet or protect itself or its belongings, the taking of that wild life is considered a necessary act of self-preservation.)

BUT, to bring us back to this happy thread, we can all on this forum agree that this thread that lauds the great Pact Act bill, created and brought to our Congress by animal-lovers and signed into law by our President, has made our beloved dogs and animals everywhere and their fans and families a whole lot safer and happier is a good thread - haha, my favorite in a long time!

I can confirm that some of the nicest people are hunters and raised their children to follow the rules and use every part of the animal as possible. Sure I'm sure there are cruel hunters out their but those I know that hunt do it for food. Not everyone has a massive amount of money or want to order meat through a website not knowing where the meat comes from. You can't simply not hunt either or you will have a very bad over population issues and that means even more sickness. There are good points to hunting. Not everything is simply black and white.