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08-13-2018, 10:43 AM | #1 |
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| grain free food ingredients related to heart issues I'm sure most of you have heard about the grain free food issues of certain ingredients being related to heart issues so I thought I would share skept vet's article. Grain-free Diets and Heart Disease in Dogs | The SkeptVet
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08-14-2018, 08:40 AM | #2 | |
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08-14-2018, 06:24 PM | #3 | |
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Yup. Many dogs are not producing their own taurine anymore because the abundance of legumes in many of these grain free foods. But even if you give your dog a taurine supplement, it won't help - because it's being blocked from being produced by the dog. Taurine is not an essential amino acid for dogs (it IS in cat food). It is synthesized from other amino acids. Grain or grain free isn't necessarily the issue here.. grain has virtually no taurine. Good quality protein is important. WHERE the protein is coming from. If the majority of the protein is coming from legumes, that is not bioavailable for dogs, and their bodies are struggling to synthesize taurine if they don't have enough of the ingredients to make it with. That is how I understand it anyway. So grain-free in itself is not evil. It's the foods that are just loaded with peas, beans, lentils, pea protein, and listed multiple times high up on an ingredient list.
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08-15-2018, 05:46 AM | #4 | |
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08-15-2018, 04:04 PM | #5 | |
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I am currently feeding Victor now and it's the best that Jackson or Lola, my cockapoo, has ever done on a food. It has peas in the ingredient list but that is it. And they're like 6th on the list or something. Peas themselves don't bother me - it's when a food has like peas, pea protein, pea fiber, lentils, beans in an insane amount. I fed Acana for years and they have been getting so much worse in that regard so I'm glad I finally found something else I am satisfied with that is producing phenomenal results.
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08-16-2018, 03:23 AM | #6 | |
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"In the past we have also seen cases of dilated cardiomyopathy and taurine deficiency in dogs eating home-prepared diets (with either cooked and raw ingredients and those with and without meat), and other commercial diets with various ingredients and nutritional profiles. Some of those cases and investigations have been published (others can be found on PubMed):" "Due to the variable and sometimes incomplete reported diet history information for recently affected dogs, the inability to predict diet performance in any individual from nutritional profile/ingredient information, and lack of proof of causation, it is not possible to identify specific dietary characteristics nor specific products that are or are not recommended at this point." She also lists SIX different ways a dog can become deficient in taurine, and says "Any of these or a combination may impact taurine status in the dog." So basically, from my nursing perspective - what I'm reading is no different from when something like this happens in the human medical world and it sounds like this: "We've noticed a *possible correlation* btwn X and Y, but cannot prove it, nor can we prove causation or predictability, nor is there adequate data available. The disease state can also be caused by other factors. We cannot make any recommendations about the correlation bc we have no proof that it's accurate at this time." When you read more info out there about the correlation, it makes you kinda wonder why they released the info in the first place, ya know...?! It seems way too early to do that, given the "but, wait! we're not exactly sure" tone out there. Kind of strange. I still think higher protein diets are good for dogs *and* humans, rather than higher carb diets -- just based upon the inflammatory response alone...but really for so many reasons. That said, based upon the possible correlation - I do think it's a wise idea to avoid foods with a high amount of "legumes – beans, lentils, and peas – and root vegetables – white and sweet potatoes" until they gather conclusive data.
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08-17-2018, 04:32 AM | #7 | |
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| Assume this means it's no to frozen green goodies??? Quote:
So my successful effort convincing Little Dutch that frozen snap peas and frozen green beans were the best treats has backfired, right? I should stop giving her these frozen green veggies? If that isn't the case, wonder why my fresh frozen green goodies would be any different? | |
08-17-2018, 04:40 AM | #8 | |
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I wouldn't stop giving them as treats - such great treats! What the experts are saying, mainly, is just about the possible correlation btwn those above ingredients if they are heavily used in the first 5 or so ingredients listed in dog foods - so a great majority of their nutrition. The amounts you're giving for treats would be such a minimal % of the diet.
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She was just shy of 3.5 lbs yesterday and very much likes to chew. The vet said her baby teeth are spreading out in good fashion--suggesting her body is making the right preparations to expel them. She like the frozen treats--especially the snap peas. Below is a picture of two small-sized snap peas (1 inch to 1-1.2 inches long) next to her daily dose of RC Mini Puppy kibble. Food and Snaps sm.jpg Me gonna think on this a bit. Wish she took to the Cheerios as well as she did the frozen treats. Separate from the peas and beans, she does like frozen blueberries. | ||
08-17-2018, 08:19 AM | #11 | |
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08-17-2018, 08:22 AM | #12 | |
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08-17-2018, 09:19 AM | #13 | |
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Little Dutch didn't like Honey Nut Cheerios--I had those on hand the first week. I'm working with some regular Cheerios now, but she hasn't taken to them yet. I'm going to keep at it. | |
08-17-2018, 01:14 PM | #14 |
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| Sometimes they can be pickier as puppy’s. Callie would only eat one specific treat as a puppy now she likes all of them lol.
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