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P-Nut Mom 02-17-2013 10:55 PM

An important aspect of this forum is the wonderful members who care passionately about yorkies and want to ensure new yorkie parents have the tools and knowledge to raise healthy, happy dogs. Heather's summary of the situation was both insightful and her information helpful to new members who may be confused about an over-emphasis on size and other issues that have come up recently.

I want what's best for my little guy and respect the wisdom and experience of so many long-time members here and their continuing efforts to educate.

BaxterBaby 02-17-2013 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brezofleur (Post 4138873)
PERFECT example.

You are disrespectful to those giving you advice you DON'T want to hear and you are disrespectful to all of these new members by the wrong information you are passing on and acting like you are a small dog/Yorkie expert.

Fortunately for these new members, all of your posts are up along with all of your comments like the one above. I just hope that they read through the pages of your threads long enough to see why so many of us are upset.

I am a new member here. I DO understand! I too have been upset with her obsession with weight & size. I personally think shes posting these threads to get a rise out of everyone. Maybe she truly is upset her 6 pound Yorkies not going to fit in her purse. IDK but I seriously want to "unsubscribe" to all of her threads.

KendraE 02-17-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138876)
I choose to excersie forum rule #1



A nice feature on this forum is the ignore list.

Pooky, dear pooky....

I would like to exercise my own rules but cannot so I must be polite. You have repeatedly made members feel uncomfortable.... we fear for the safety and well being of your precious baby. Your initial intent when you first joined YT was to learn what size your baby would mature to, and now it seems, you may be out of control. You may want to take a breath, sit back, and re-evaluate the reasons you are here. You may also want to quit attacking members who are not trying to attack you rather trying to head warning to others that things your are saying may not be the best advice to take..... You have said things in post that could actually put yorkie babies in harms way. Please, quit taking so much offense and just back off..... we would love you to join us here..... but please take our advise too!!!! This is a forum....you give advice, you get advice...please weigh each carefully.....

P-Nut Mom 02-17-2013 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KendraE (Post 4138883)
Pooky, dear pooky....

I would like to exercise my own rules but cannot so I must be polite. You have repeatedly made members feel uncomfortable.... we fear for the safety and well being of your precious baby. Your initial intent when you first joined YT was to learn what size your baby would mature to, and now it seems, you may be out of control. You may want to take a breath, sit back, and re-evaluate the reasons you are here. You may also want to quit attacking members who are not trying to attack you rather trying to head warning to others that things your are saying may not be the best advice to take..... You have said things in post that could actually put yorkie babies in harms way. Please, quit taking so much offense and just back off..... we would love you to join us here..... but please take our advise too!!!! This is a forum....you give advice, you get advice...please weigh each carefully.....

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

pookybear 02-17-2013 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BaxterBaby (Post 4138879)
I am a new member here. I DO understand! I too have been upset with her obsession with weight & size. I personally think shes posting these threads to get a rise out of everyone. Maybe she truly is upset her 6 pound Yorkies not going to fit in her purse. IDK but I seriously want to "unsubscribe" to all of her threads.

I also excersie forum rule #2

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2. Any posts that are downright sick or cruel towards another member or their Yorkie will not be tolerated and will be deleted. Your account may be banned depending on the severity of your actions or if you are a repeat offender.
Their problem is that I haven't asked for THEIR advice. It's unsolicited, that's why they're on my ignore list.

Enough is enough, move on.

nanahas3 02-17-2013 11:46 PM

Pookie you have asked for advice and people are really trying to help. I have PM's where you asked for my advice. People are trying to respond nicely and you are being unduly rude to some longtime members here. Like I said I will pray for you but I will refrain from trying to help anymore. I will continue to pray for your pup but I truly am done.

KendraE 02-18-2013 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138888)
I also excersie forum rule #2



Their problem is that I haven't asked for THEIR advice. It's unsolicited, that's why they're on my ignore list.

Enough is enough, move on.

I have to laugh because in all my time here, Ive rarely seen people post forum rules the way you have.... I may be overstepping here.. (Admin I apologize if I am), but are you for real????

pookybear 02-18-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 4138890)
Pookie you have asked for advice and people are really trying to help. I have PM's where you asked for my advice. People are trying to respond nicely and you are being unduly rude to some longtime members here. Like I said I will pray for you but I will refrain from trying to help anymore. I will continue to pray for your pup but I truly am done.

Sending a pm is private not public, starting a separate thread and unsubscribing from my own threads and starting fresh ones because i don't fully agree with some of you is another. This thread, someone asked ME about how i fed my dog raw, not you, or all of you who highjacked this thread with your unsolicited advice and hassasment.

Yes, go back and read this thread...i did NOT inquire for your advice about feeding raw today.

pookybear 02-18-2013 12:35 AM

To set the record straight. I don't want your help raising my puppy. I wanted to share ideas, watch the growth and development of other puppies Pooky's age.

I'll say this for the other newbies some of you have swarmed and shut down. Unsolicited advice, isn't wanted. If a newbie has a different concept than you, be courteous, let other like minded members chat without being rude and interrupting.

pookybear 02-18-2013 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KendraE (Post 4138894)
I have to laugh because in all my time here, Ive rarely seen people post forum rules the way you have.... I may be overstepping here.. (Admin I apologize if I am), but are you for real????

Yes i am and i did report this harrassment to the admin. I've read other threads where newbies were swarmed with critisim. I happen to really want to follow this thread and these puppies but you guys made a stinkin mess of it.

nanahas3 02-18-2013 01:09 AM

So you know we had already figured out you were reporting us and as admin has already told you. Don't post telling other posters what we can or cannot say that is their job not yours. Noone hijacked your thread. You were giving advice some of us disagreed with. No sense name calling.

pookybear 02-18-2013 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 4138910)
So you know we had already figured out you were reporting us and as admin has already told you. Don't post telling other posters what we can or cannot say that is their job not yours. Noone hijacked your thread. You were giving advice some of us disagreed with. No sense name calling.

You guys harrass and you know it. I have better things to do. Will not converse with you any longer.

nanahas3 02-18-2013 01:29 AM

Noone is harassing anyone here. All are concerned for the welfare of these beloved Yorkies. If you take the time to read the forum you will see that 99.9 percent of the member care foremost about the well being of these little ones. If one is sick we ban together to help and pray for them. If one dies we all cry for them. If one is lost we all do everything in our power to see to it they are found. That is one of the greatest things about YT is the love for the breed we share. Most of us when we make a post expect and accept the advise given in the nature it is given. I am sorry if you don't like it if someone posts differently than what your stated opinions are but that is what happens on a forum. It is also how we learn, from a good healthy debate. Getting all defensive and treating others badly does nothing to help anyone. Now I am going to bed. God bless and hope you can read back through your threads and realize that it was you who caused all this concern with your own comments and people were only trying to help you.

brezofleur 02-18-2013 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138908)
To set the record straight. I don't want your help raising my puppy. I wanted to share ideas, watch the growth and development of other puppies Pooky's age.

Then why do you have 5+ NEW threads asking for advice??

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138908)
I'll say this for the other newbies some of you have swarmed and shut down. Unsolicited advice, isn't wanted. If a newbie has a different concept than you, be courteous, let other like minded members chat without being rude and interrupting.

Sweetie, you asked me in both a PM and in a public thread for raw feeding advice so it is very much "solicited."

I'm sure in a few posts you will say that you are "over this thread" as you have with your others and start a new one, but I do hope that you will take the time to sit back and re-read what everyone is saying to you.

I'm not sure how many more times or how many more of us it is going to take for you to understand that we are all telling you we are concerned for your pup and that we all care.

But soon people are going to get tired of it and make their own conclusions.

Candy5198 02-18-2013 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138781)
No darlin, it's not bad for puppies...it doesn't take anytime to switch them either...but people will make their own decisions on how they'd like to raise their puppies and what's best for them.

Raw Feeding: Some Simple Facts and Advice For You & Your Dog

I'm not sure why he said that. I was a little worried cause he only gained 4 oz in the 3 weeks between his visits and commented that I was hoping he'd make it to 5 lbs. My vet just said he would probably be tiny. So maybe he based it on his weight gain? As far as being a light eater I'm not sure. This is my first small dog ever. He eats a little less than 1/2 a cup a day I would guess. I do offer him food several times throughout the day but he usually only easts once in the morning and once in the afternoon. HOWEVER, he is ALWAYS looking for something. He is a garbage disposal and eats anything he can find. I am constantly having to dig stuff out his mouth. Not inside so much (I try to keep my floors very clean) but outside is a nightmare. I also got a harness for him and that has helped some cause it is easier to get him away from stuff. Point is you'd swear he was starved! And I guess I should stress that he is NOT housebroken (the puddle I just cleaned confirmed this) he has to be taken outside immediately upon leaving the kennel. But I really don't have to worry about accidents when he is confined. I do not let him roam the house freely (I watch him like a hawk) because he is sneaky. Ok so he's downright awful lol... Grabbing whatever he can't have and hauling off where I can't reach him! I told someone if he wasn't so darn cute id throw him out. J/k of course but he drives me batty most days! So I am very diligent about preventing accidents in the house but not always successfully.

Candy5198 02-18-2013 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138888)
I also excersie forum rule #2



Their problem is that I haven't asked for THEIR advice. It's unsolicited, that's why they're on my ignore list.

Enough is enough, move on.

I'm not sure if I'm on your ignore list.., and please don't think I'm trying to come across as knowing better. I went through the ringer with dog foods recently because of wanting to switch from the blue buffalo (there were many complaints about loose stools so I thought maybe that was why Max had so many) In the process I too came across the raw foods and BARF diets. I chose wellness. Just thought I'd share my reasons. I have the raw thing some thought although realistically I don't think I'd really be able to find the time to do it, and I'm not sure I could get over the yuck factor either. But wanting to do the best for him I did give it some consideration. Then I came across something that made me dismiss it all together. There was an article that said although a raw diet is natural and that's what wild dogs would eat, wild dogs don't live very long. And we don't have wild dogs, we have pets. Please don't think I'm being demeaning in saying this but cavemen ate raw food before fire, and as people we learned that it is safer to cook it. I am super paranoid about food born illness when it comes to my family and thinking of that I know I couldn't take the chance of giving the dog something that could be contaminated. I think there are cooked diets for dogs also but I know I would not have time for that. So I picked wellness because it supposedly has no byproducts and is made with people grade food (hence the cost) of course this decision I have made has some risk so I will be watching closely for recalls and such. But the risk of eating raw chicken to me seems way higher. I know a lot of people are all for these raw diets and I don't doubt that their dogs get a healthier grade food than mine but even with all the good I've read, with my OCD tendencies it wasn't an option.

TxVicki 02-18-2013 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138766)
It's amazing my toy poodle & boxer have lived to be healthy 2 year olds. How could I have ever managed without the help of everyone on this forum? I wish I could go back in time and take back those chicken legs.

To QUOTE YOU : Your snide judgmental remarks are not appreciated.

HMMM seems to me you need to take your own advice.

Candy5198 02-18-2013 06:23 AM

Ugh
 
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Originally Posted by brezofleur (Post 4138873)
PERFECT example.

You are disrespectful to those giving you advice you DON'T want to hear and you are disrespectful to all of these new members by the wrong information you are passing on and acting like you are a small dog/Yorkie expert.

Fortunately for these new members, all of your posts are up along with all of your comments like the one above. I just hope that they read through the pages of your threads long enough to see why so many of us are upset.

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138777)
I can only hope for more days when I can catch it all...with the potty timing...just found a big dump but have to say I'm not sure who the culprit is because Pooky has eaten so much over the past 2 days that it could have been him or the toy poodle! I'm a bit more suspicious of him since he's had more freedom roaming, which I'm going to confine him a bit more.

I wonder why makes the vet make that kind of call? Does he know something the rest of us don't? Do share as I have a question that has yet to be answered. I guess Pooky's odds are to be in the 4-5 pound range, but I'm not sure how to make that call any earlier than when it comes...not sure if there's a point when the charts are pretty accurate or just never. Seems more never than ever :)

Is Maxwell a light eater or does he seem to be always looking for something to eat? My husband had a fit when I kept feeding Pooky more. Said he was a puppy and was always going to be looking to eat something. Geez, should have the husband on the forum so they could eat him alive. :thumbup:

I replied to both of your posts this morning... And they still haven't popped up. If this works I will try again in a bit

KendraE 02-18-2013 07:05 AM

Thinking maybe it's time to close this thread op... You CAN ask admin to do that.

Candy5198 02-18-2013 07:12 AM

I hate to keep posting if my previous replies are going to show up. I posted two or three things here this morning as replys to pooky. Can I expect to ever see them or do I need to try again?

sugarmamma 02-18-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy5198 (Post 4138963)
I'm not sure if I'm on your ignore list.., and please don't think I'm trying to come across as knowing better. I went through the ringer with dog foods recently because of wanting to switch from the blue buffalo (there were many complaints about loose stools so I thought maybe that was why Max had so many) In the process I too came across the raw foods and BARF diets. I chose wellness. Just thought I'd share my reasons. I have the raw thing some thought although realistically I don't think I'd really be able to find the time to do it, and I'm not sure I could get over the yuck factor either. But wanting to do the best for him I did give it some consideration. Then I came across something that made me dismiss it all together. There was an article that said although a raw diet is natural and that's what wild dogs would eat, wild dogs don't live very long. And we don't have wild dogs, we have pets. Please don't think I'm being demeaning in saying this but cavemen ate raw food before fire, and as people we learned that it is safer to cook it. I am super paranoid about food born illness when it comes to my family and thinking of that I know I couldn't take the chance of giving the dog something that could be contaminated. I think there are cooked diets for dogs also but I know I would not have time for that. So I picked wellness because it supposedly has no byproducts and is made with people grade food (hence the cost) of course this decision I have made has some risk so I will be watching closely for recalls and such. But the risk of eating raw chicken to me seems way higher. I know a lot of people are all for these raw diets and I don't doubt that their dogs get a healthier grade food than mine but even with all the good I've read, with my OCD tendencies it wasn't an option.

I can see your posts above.

Wylie's Mom 02-18-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy5198 (Post 4139039)
I hate to keep posting if my previous replies are going to show up. I posted two or three things here this morning as replys to pooky. Can I expect to ever see them or do I need to try again?

A bunch of your posts were sitting in the Moderation Queue bc you had less than 10 posts (this helps to keep spammers at bay). Now that you're at 12, it should go away. :)

Candy5198 02-18-2013 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4139048)
I can see your posts above.

I see them just now also. But I posted it hours ago. Can you tell I don't know how this works... I have all sorts of quotes in my replies that I don't even know how they got there. I think its a bit easier to navigate on the pc rather than my phone... (no brainere there right)... I guess I'll get the hang of it.
Is there a way that we can start a group for puppies born in November. That was the whole initial point of this post by pooky and I thought it was a great idea.

Adamsfly 02-18-2013 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4136851)
Oakley is handsome :) Is this a current picture?

That was a couple of weeks ago. I'll have to upload another soon.

Adamsfly 02-18-2013 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Teresiana (Post 4137117)
Oh my goodness!! Oakley is so fluffy and adorable!!! I love his coloring too :)

Thanks! We're hoping he'll keep most of his coloring. He has a little white under his chin but overall, no color changing yet.

pookybear 02-18-2013 07:37 AM

double post

pookybear 02-18-2013 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy5198 (Post 4138963)
I'm not sure if I'm on your ignore list.., and please don't think I'm trying to come across as knowing better. I went through the ringer with dog foods recently because of wanting to switch from the blue buffalo (there were many complaints about loose stools so I thought maybe that was why Max had so many) In the process I too came across the raw foods and BARF diets. I chose wellness. Just thought I'd share my reasons. I have the raw thing some thought although realistically I don't think I'd really be able to find the time to do it, and I'm not sure I could get over the yuck factor either. But wanting to do the best for him I did give it some consideration. Then I came across something that made me dismiss it all together. There was an article that said although a raw diet is natural and that's what wild dogs would eat, wild dogs don't live very long. And we don't have wild dogs, we have pets. Please don't think I'm being demeaning in saying this but cavemen ate raw food before fire, and as people we learned that it is safer to cook it. I am super paranoid about food born illness when it comes to my family and thinking of that I know I couldn't take the chance of giving the dog something that could be contaminated. I think there are cooked diets for dogs also but I know I would not have time for that. So I picked wellness because it supposedly has no byproducts and is made with people grade food (hence the cost) of course this decision I have made has some risk so I will be watching closely for recalls and such. But the risk of eating raw chicken to me seems way higher. I know a lot of people are all for these raw diets and I don't doubt that their dogs get a healthier grade food than mine but even with all the good I've read, with my OCD tendencies it wasn't an option.

:) no Candace you are not on my ignore list and your house sounds like mine. Pooky's been well over fed the past few days and he doesn't seem to have an end to his chewing no matter how much he's given but happy he didn't eat poop yesterday; that I know of. One of the reasons my husband was so upset with me was he said he's a puppy and always going to be asking for more no matter what he's given and I believe him.

There are certain products and practices in the USA that are unheard of in the country I live in. I'm sure you're making the best decisions you can that you are comfortable with and I am too. I don't buy certain brands of chicken that are turkey sized chicken breasts. Not sure if you've ever seen Food Inc but that really grosses me out. In this country, you can still find normal sized chicken lol

Adamsfly 02-18-2013 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4139053)
A bunch of your posts were sitting in the Moderation Queue bc you had less than 10 posts (this helps to keep spammers at bay). Now that you're at 12, it should go away. :)

I was wondering why all of my posts were going to the Moderation Queue. Now I know. Thanks for this info.

Candy5198 02-18-2013 07:51 AM

Yes as I'm sitting here Max has eaten almost all of a very important note that fell onto the floor... yet his breakfast is sitting untouched. Thank goodness that the doesn't eat poop... (That I know of) I'm sure his kennel would stink if he were messing in it and eating it so I think we are okay. I did have a dog that did that though. After getting Max (who is a dream compared to the other) I'm thinking it may be how a puppy is raised before you bring it home. Partially by the mom dog and partially by the breader. Max was born in a cage kennel and kept with mom in a Cage kennel and between the Mom and the breeder they did an excellent job of keeping it clean. I think he is doing so well with things because he loves his kennel (He will run for it to get away from my kids sometimes).
About your husbands comment, My puppy doesn't seem to always want food. But he is always chewing somthing! I assume you have had his stool checked, I think some parasites can cause them to be overly hungry. Best of luck with fixing this problem... I know how hard it is to housetrain a dog that eats their own mess!

I don't know anything about chicken practices except if I have raw chicken in my kitchen I have to disinfect the whole thing. I wasn't kidding about the OCD. So as paranoid as I am I just couldn't take the risk of putting the stuff in a bowl to feed to anything... lol, as I said I realize alot of people do it but after really thinking about it I decided commercial food is the best he will get.

Wylie's Mom 02-18-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138888)
I also excersie forum rule #2

Their problem is that I haven't asked for THEIR advice. It's unsolicited, that's why they're on my ignore list.

Enough is enough, move on.

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138903)
Sending a pm is private not public, starting a separate thread and unsubscribing from my own threads and starting fresh ones because i don't fully agree with some of you is another. This thread, someone asked ME about how i fed my dog raw, not you, or all of you who highjacked this thread with your unsolicited advice and hassasment.

Yes, go back and read this thread...i did NOT inquire for your advice about feeding raw today.

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Originally Posted by pookybear (Post 4138908)
To set the record straight. I don't want your help raising my puppy. I wanted to share ideas, watch the growth and development of other puppies Pooky's age.

I'll say this for the other newbies some of you have swarmed and shut down. Unsolicited advice, isn't wanted. If a newbie has a different concept than you, be courteous, let other like minded members chat without being rude and interrupting.

I've already gone over this concept on several of your threads, and this is really the last time I'll extend the courtesy of doing it again.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TELL PEOPLE HOW AND IF THEY MAY POST IN YOUR THREAD OR ANY OTHER THREAD.


I hope that's clear, once and for all.

If YOU post anything - and I mean anything on this board, you can expect REPLIES. And those replies may come in the form of a statement, a question, a 'hi how are you', advice, disagreeing, thoughts, opinions....YOU NAME IT.

And you are NOT allowed to inform a member that their response or advice or whatever you choose to call it is 'not welcome'. IT IS WELCOME ON THIS BOARD.

It is also not allowed to inform people they "are on your ignore list" - so please stop that. Ignore lists are not intended or allowed to be used as some sort of weapon of communication. They are for your PRIVATE use, period.

Lastly, it is generally not allowed to start the same threads over and over - simply bc you're not happy with people's responses on the last thread. If you start a thread, you need to stick with it if you're interested in pursuing the intended discussion in that thread. Please do not continue to start the same threads again and again. There are exceptions to this practice (ie, when rules are severely broken, thread runs a muck and ends up closed), however, your threads have not warranted it thus far.


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