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Here's the link to the sticky to check it out: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...uidelines.html See Section B. |
As long as I'm on a Psychoroll here... Cowgirlc, I don't think this is over yet. Gismo seems to be a friarly intuitive animal, as I have found most Yorkies to be. As long as you object to the presence of those GSD's, he's going to pick up on that, and I'm thinking there's going to be more conflict between them and him. I just don't know what direction you want to go with this, but, keeping your "Pack" separated, may not be the best way to encourage them to get along, OR, for Gismo to be able to "trust" them more. I think you have an opportunity here, to create a social situation, which would be helpful to Gismo and still keep him as the "Alpha" dog. I understand that this concept may seem a little strange to some, but, I feel that there can be an acceptable distinction, between the "Pack Leaders" (us), and the Alpha animal of the Pack. (Gees, I bet I'm going to get broiled on this one !) I'm sure you already know, that when bringing in new members of a Pack, that giving the "Resident" animal a LOT of special love and attention, is critical to him/her. So many times, the Resident thinks it's being replaced in Mom/Dad's heart by the new guys. Cowgirlc, YOU have the opportunity to turn his situation around, and "assign" Gismo that "Senior" position. But, you're going to have to get those guys all together, to do it. Suncintcly... Those Puppies have no idea as to their rank in the Pack, and would be happy to be subordinate to Gismo. Size don't matter ! I think I'd allow Gismo to sit on my Lap, while the Pups sat on the floor. I'd feed Gismo first, and make sure that he "enjoyed" it, while the others had to wait a while, or start after him anyway. He gets Treats first, then the others. When you speak, you can make it general, but, look at Gismo with the "Good Dog" or what ever, he'll see you are focusing on him. The whole idea being, make him special, use the others to enforce that spatiality. Make him "Second in Command", and, once you've established the hierarchy in your house, things area going to run a LOT smoother. |
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Maybe you should do a little reading too. ;) http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html |
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Don't see anything about not supporting someone in a positive fashion. I guess a few of us violated a rule there then in this thread. Cowgirl, sorry I tried to support you only to get hammered down. |
My tiny little tot has a personality that can go from 0 to 90 in a very short time span. I learned when she was very small that she has to be kept calm because she feels she should rule the world and can get aggressive very easily. She was very mouthy as a pup and liked to bite anyone including me and the cats. While she has a tendency to get aggressive very easily she is also very sensitive to my feelings. I noticed if I cry or have any sort of reaction she is very aware of it and wants to fix things. I found that if when she nipped me I cried out like I was hurt she would do a 180 and start licking me and being very repentant. These dogs are terriers and have terrier instincts. They can be very forward and aggressive but at the same time they are very smart and attentive to their persons. Next time your teapot decides to take things into his own paws let him know verbally that you are offended by his behavior. It does not take much to correct these little ones. Just be aware of the signals. I'm sure he saw you were stressed by the situation and wanted to protect you or at least be allowed into the situation. Since he bit you from behind he may have been trying to hold you back from going out there or at least trying to go with you. I'm sure he meant you no harm though it had to have hurt. I'm sure it startled you and it was a reaction I''m sure you regret. I'm sure we have all done things we have regretted now and then. Dogs are so forgiving and I'm sure he has forgotten it by now. I hope you can be prepared in the future so you can respond in a way that is a learning experience for both of you. Maybe work on his responses to stressful situations. |
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The OP indicated her husband is not fulfilling his promise to take care of the GSDs. I'm guessing that means the they are not highly trained either. Even if they were highly trained, I would bet the Yorkie would not live long. How many of the 4 dogs are not neutered/spayed? (1 adult GSD, 2 puppy GSD, and 1 Yorkie) Were these GSDs bred by the OP's family? |
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As for my Gizmo, he will be 5 yrs old in november and was neautered at 6 months, I am going to follow some of the advice I have gotten here to get my baby trained, I know he trys to protect me, I just love him so much and should have worked on obdience and socialization a long time ago. Its not to late for me to get a handle on all of this, and you know there is always some good in a lesson learned. Hope I answered some of the questions here. Thanks |
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This is so awesome, I really appreciate this, makes perfect sense, I do not have children its just the hubby gizmo and I, and had been for a long time until the shepherd thing almost a year ago starting with the mom. Still Gizmo is the only indoor dog, and yes he sleeps with us and he snacks with me so I am sure he has gotten away with a great many things, I just have to work on correcting some of this stuff so we find some balance. Cynthia |
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Cowgirl: It sounds like a lot is on your plate right now (and has been for about a year). I too would like to caution about mixing the GSD pups with your Gizmo. Every dog has a different built in "prey" drive and GSD's are reputed to have a fairly high drive dog. For this reason and also the reason as babies, they still need to learn their manners; I would be extremely cautious about allowing interaction with your Yorkie and the pups. Just so that you know; I have one Black Russian here with a very high "prey" drive and even at 3 yrs old; she is still not to be trusted around Razz my Yorkie alone. She has been trained since a pup that chasing Razzle is a no no, but still even today, if she gets over excited she will flip into the prey mode. So they are never let out in the yard off lead alone; or allowed to "play" with each other. Razzle and my older male BRT are however. Magic's drive is a toy drive, and not a prey drive. So it does really depend on the dog itself, and your pups are still developing their personality, and of course testing out their limits. I hope that you and your husband can find good homes for these pups/mother, there is probably a rescue you could surrender them to, if you find yourself unable to find good homes for them. As you know GSD's should be obedience trained and Must recognize the humans as the "bosses". I have heard time and time again, and this from working dog trainers, that the GSD will overtly challenge their owner's authority at least once, and you better be prepared to handle that challenge. In terms of Gizmo it seems like you have been given lots of good advice, I'll just add my best wishes on Gizmo's training. |
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Thank you for the well wished, I appreciate that. I really so not allow the shepherds and Gizmo to play together at all, there has only been one time that the pups were indoors and not crated and in that situation hubby and I were both in our reclyners watching a program and he had the 2 pups sitting at his feet and Gizmo was beside me in my chair. I already know of 2 families that would love to have the pups, but I am still working on the hubby to surrender. One thing I have to mention although my husband started this shepherd situation, he loves Gizmo as much as I do and has always been protective of him. He knows how I feel about all of this and was not happy when he found out how my day went yesterday as he was away when all of this occured. Gave him a bit to think about. Maybe this will open his eyes to the fact that he has left me in a bind caring for all of the dogs, so the discussion continues. |
I just want to suggest one thing to think about. If you are going to keep one of the pups you should consider introducing that pup to your Gizmo under controlled circumstances. Once a dog like that is full grown and sees a small dog they sometimes think it is something to chase. If they are going to be sharing space it would be best to introduce them while the dog is young. I know the GSD's are outdoor pets but it would be much easier on you if you can have peaceful coexistence and not have to be worried about the two mixing and your little one getting hurt. If you are not up on dog training you may want to enlist the aid of someone who can help you carefully teach them to get along. I used to have a Collie and a Maltese in the same home. While they were not best of friends they got they were both well behaved. I'm sure many here have both large and small dogs that get along. Proper training is imperative. |
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Members are welcome to post their opinions - even if some view an opinion as not supportive. Here's an example using something you mentioned above. I may be in the minority, but I don't view dogs as less than humans. This belief is in my heart and soul - it's who I am, and I don't hide this fact. If/when I post about this for some reason, I may be judged as a little nutty (and that actually IS a fact :p). Some may not support me in my belief and they're welcome to say they don't share my beliefs, or what I said. I'm glad people here don't feel they must support or ignore their feelings/beliefs - being their own selves is what makes this board go 'round. When it goes too far, we do take a good look. :) Hope that makes sense - if not, take what you can and leave the rest. |
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Wow Wylies mom is back, how ya doin lady, I read about your mishap so glad you're back. I always love reading your post. I have gotten some great feedback and support in the case of my situation, and I am sensible enough to take the bitter with the sweet and use that information that I choose to. I have also gotten the support of my yorkie facebook group who has suggested some of the same things. In the end I beleive everything happens for a reason, and this is probally the push I needed to face the fact that all along I thought I was pack leader not realizing that gizmo beleives himself to be the leader as well, and that just cannot be. And instead of always treating my baby as if he were human facing the fact that I can still spoil him but I must exibit leadership to and for him. I will make this work, I know I can do it, just may take some time. Cynthia:wavey: |
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So great to 'see' you :). If it makes ya feel any better, I am completely *not* the pack leader :rolleyes:. Ooopsie. I let my naughties walk all over me. I know I shouldn't....but but but...so hard! No different really than letting skin kids walk all over us (not that I have any). You can totally make this work - I too know you can do it...but what really counts is that *you* know it :). Hope all is well w/ you! |
I agree with Lovetodream 88. Whether its a small or large animal; hitting them will solve nothing and only make matters worse!!! |
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i havent read all the replies, but what i can say is that mistakes happen to the best of mommies.. and it seems you've learnt from this and are making steps to move forward positively.. good luck, hope you can find a trainer to help in this situation so you can both have a peaceful home |
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Well, I'm going to admit that I didn't read every response ~ so you might have already been given this advice. I will chime in that I don't think hitting is evey ok. There's a training program called Nothing in Life for Free. It's a very gentle way of establishing control in your home. I always think it's a good place to start with a problem pup. Nothing in Life is Free |
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Not going to continue to beat a dead horse here, and everyone is entitled to their opinions and of course are welcome to coment, this will be the last post for me on the defensive, choosing to move forward and make things better for me and Gizmo Thank you Cynthia |
Good morning everyone, been researching for a few days now and I think I found a trainer that interest me. Gonna post the link so you guys can take a look and tell me what you think before making any decisions. Still have to try to find a way to raise the funds to do this but I have faith and have prayed about it as well. Thanks guys! Cynthia CalmDogTraining - Home :thumbs_up:excited: |
I have been around many dogs that were hit and some of them were scarred from it and most were not, depending upon the caregiver they were with. Many dogs are not affected by a hitting incident at all while others insecurities are fed by one incident for a time but they can be brought well past that by a good, unemotional trainer who doesn't feel sorry for them and just treats them with a good rehab behavior modification program that establishes the caregiver as the leader in the family. But any dog with an insecure owner who takes out their anger on a dog will most likely be deeply affected by hitting because they can sense the caregiver's mental state of rage. Someone who hits out in a state of shock from a biting incident probably is only reflecting what another dog would who he'd just bitten - shock with returned brief aggression. He probably won't hold anything against you as dogs are used to discipline from other dogs and he will likely just look at it as a one-time thing that came from his bite and as you are not a repeat offender - he'll sense that, too. Just work with him to show him who calls the shots in all situations and he will go on his happy way while learning who is the real boss in the family. Best wishes to you. |
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Thank you so much I appreciate this, after 5 yrs of treating my baby like he is a skin baby I have to make some adjustments and its ok, I can do this gonna keep positive and make our home just as joyful as it has always been even with my new pack leader attitude. Cynthia |
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My Tibbe just LOVES to work and is constantly baiting me for training sessions so he can strut his stuff. In the process, he has learned to do what I say when he senses I am serious(he can tell when I'm not), so far has never failed to come when called, stop when told(even outside), eat with my hand in his bowl, allow me to remove chewies, toys or anything from his mouth at any time without rancor and trust me to always keep him happy and safe. And he was wild as a hair when I first got him - almost feral and fought and growled and screamed or hid behind things at every turn! He's a totally different dog than the 9 mo. old wild-child I brought home in 2008! There is almost always hope for any misbehaving dog. Best wishes to you both. |
I just wanted to say to Cynthia that you are not alone. I love my baby boy yorkie more than anything in the world but one time I spanked him. I was SO frustrated with him (caught him eating cat food for the 100th time) and it was a moment of weakness on my part. I felt so bad afterwards and I know it was the wrong thing to do but I can't undo it, all I can do is try and learn from it and I think in the end it has made me a better pet parent. I think the people suggesting your not a fit pet parent are very wrong. Everyone makes mistakes, one momentary lack of self control doesn't make someone abusive or a bad person. Anyways just wanted to let you know your not the only one this has happened to and it doesn't make you a bad person. Hope you and Gizmo work it out, from what I read I think you will :hug: |
Cynthia- As someone owning a Gizmo as well, and knowing the name seems to fit the fiesty personality, I'm glad to see you're taking an active approach to getting Gizmo the help he needs. I agree with the others, that hitting is never okay. However, I can see that you are getting your emotions in check and doing what's best for Gizmo and yourself, and that's getting the training that both you and him needs. Let's face it, dog trainers train us more then they train the dog. With that being said, I think, in fact I know that handling Gizmo, as well as two GSD pups is way, way too much for anyone. I might have missed it, but did you say you were re-homing the GSD pups? I think, with regards to you trying to help Gizmo, that this may be the best thing. One thing that helped me when I was only getting 3 hours of sleep per night, and had a BYB dog crying and going potty all in his crate, is to try to put yourself in their paws. Remember-and I tell myself this everyday-even though I think Gizmo knows what I'm saying, he has no idea. And for him, that must be just as frustrating as it is for me when he goes potty on the floor. Keep us updated and good luck! |
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