Glenda isn't a member of YTCA. Since there are no AKC papers with this dog....well AKC will not step in.

How do you know Bella comes from good lines; because Glenda told you so....you don't have papers to proof it....let alone know for sure whether the sire and dam of you girl are who Glenda says they are.

Rest assured Glenda's dogs are not in deplorable conditions. But her ethics have been questioned in the past. You aren't the first person on YT that this has happened to. Newbies such as yourself, in a hurry, do get caught up easily by those that know how to talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Just because a person has Championed many a dogs, one should still research the breeder. Ask questions. Next time, ask for the contract first. Don't buy over the internet.....A purchase such as this doesn't happen overnight. It took me a year and a half to get my first show dog from my breeder. Lots of talking back and forth and learning. Also, keep aware that your breeder will/should become your mentor.

A lesson learned as how not to do business. It so sad that there are those that will take advantage of those that are unsuspecting.

Oh PurpleKisses I am so sorry this has happened to you and it is understandable that you are stressed by all of it, but I can't help but think that Bella is in such a good place with you despite all of this. I hope all of this does not "color" you feelings for Bella.

I am naive like you say you were, but had such a great experience when I purchased my Cali -- the breeder insisted on a contract and talked with me frequently, wanted pictures of my house, yard, my previous Yorkie, and wanted references one of which was my vet - big difference from your experience. Then I had to come and get her face-to-face so the breeder could meet me.

Please hang in there with Bella - none of this is her doing or fault and I praise you for your willingness to make a home for her.

It really hurts when we can't trust one another.

I thought there was mention of her being a YTCA member on another thread. I could be wrong, it's been a long day. What am I missing on this dog? I thought she was represented as being AKC prior to the sale. If Glenda is falsely representing the dogs, then that does need to be reported whether this dog has papers or not.

she suppose to send them we will see!!!

yes she said she is out of 2 finished akc dam and sire and she was suppose to come with papers at 1st limited registry then when i wasnt happy with how she came to me she said she would let me breed her to get my "dream pup out of her" lol wow but she was apart of yorkietalk.com at some point she told me that!!

i know right... now that i have her and see how she came to us who knows whats true or false i hope some of it is true....that her parents are really her mom and dad??

Bella is Bella we love her to her last breath none of this is her fault and all i wanna do is love her as much as we can and show her what a real life is like her name is Bella cause no matter how she got here or where she came from she is an animal of God and Beautiful anyways Bella means Beautiful ........she is special and is suppose to be here she stole our hearts

I have to say, that I did inquire about some of her dogs.... so glad I passed on them now. Thanks for bringing this out. Sorry that this has happened to you. Bella is a lucky girl that you found eachother.

i want you to know i asked for a contract before i paid for her, she said she didn't have one because she was at 1st only suppose to be a pet but that i could if i wanted to show her!! that i could have papers on her!!! and that she would send all paper work with her!!
then i talked to her about showing and maybe one day starting a breeding program .....after getting her and seeing how she was i called glenda and she then said breed her you can get that show dog that you wanted can start your breeding program with your line and that should make up for how bella was when she came to me!!! and then that is when she sent me a contract in e-mail today only saying that i have to get agreement with her to give full registration on any puppy i would have in future and that she gets one pick puppy out of the litter, i told her i didnt want to sign it because if i was to ever breed this dog i dont want her name on my papers and that i want control over my breeding program because i see how she handles her dogs and i would never do it how she has with me!!! also i didnt feel right sending her a puppy to live how bella had been raised for 7 months!! i told her just send me her papers and vet work and to follow through with what she said she would do and she keeps changing what she will do??? i don't know what to say or do nothing can make up for how Bella is and what she has went through and how me and my family feels or the work we have to put into her!!

i wish i had someone to mentor me and help me do what i have always dreamed of doing she told me that is what she wanted to do but i see that can't happen cause the teacher is suppose to be smarter then the student..... i know i would do things way different then she has. all my rescues went spay or neutered or with contract to do so and they had all they vet work in writing and i did interview with new owner and made sure they were happy with the dog and the dog was happy with them and sooooo much more too just to make a long story short red flags showed up after i paid for her i did feel bad for glenda alil because of some personal things she told me and thought maybe she was over whelmed and thought maybe we could help each other in a way i dont maybe i was blind and some of this is my fault i trusted her to much!!!

I'm sorry for the situation that you are in. But i'm glad that Bella is in a better place with you. Thank you for sharing your story as it may help other unsuspecting potential buyers...which there are a few right now that just signed up here looking for a Yorkie. I hope she gets what she deserves and maybe she gets kenneled herself.

Wow I just seen her pictures!! Poor little girl, she was in bad shape!! Thank goodness you have her now and are giving her the proper care. You are her angel. She has such a sweet face how can anyone not love her and want to give her only the best?!

I just can't imagine why someone would ever let their puppies get that way and then sell them like that?! There is no excuse for it.

I've always gone to the breeder's house to get my yorkies. I've driven quite a ways for a few of them. Buying over the internet can be so risky. Although I've heard stories of how it worked out great a few times but a majority of the time it ends badly.

I too at one time considered getting one from Glenda but I really have a hard time buying a puppy sight unseen and now I'm glad I didn't.

Well what is done is done and all you can do is learn from it and give Bella a wonderful life and show her what it is like to be loved and cared for. I'm sorry to say I wouldn't breed her as who knows what else Glenda might not have disclosed to you or been honest with you about.

Thanks for posting your story.

Thank you so much for sharing your story and educating others about this seller.

I have a very dear friend who is a master breeder with close to 40 years into her breeding program. She has Ch. more dogs than I can even count. She can give you lines back 10 generations or more out of her head. She is a breeder, owner handler. She has won BIG shows in Australia and Europe. I have seen her turn down 1000s of dollars for a pup. She knows her stuff! When I was thinking about breeding she gave me some good advice.

Get signed up with your state show schedules. You can find the right person on the AKC site. GO TO EVERY SHOW unless you are half dead. Go ALL day. Don't just go to breed, do group. Stay out of the way but spend as much time as possible watching grooming and prep.

Be prepared to spend more than you ever make.

Read this book over and over - my cover is mostly off. She bought it for me at a show we did in LA. Amazon.com: Born to Win, Breed to Succeed (Kennel...
And before you ever mate, be able to honestly answer: Why will THIS breeding improve the stock for this breed. And if you don't have a specific answer, you should not be breeding :)

PS - laws for dogs go state to state. Check out your small claims court. If your Vet will give a report that the dog was not in acceptable sale condition you may have a case.

update
 

this is the contract glenda sent me yesterday to so called have me breed her to get the puppy i had thought i was buying from her!!

i want to point out she has made mistakes in this contract such as i paid 1250 not 1200 she also has not even edited the contract miss spelling things and poorly put together. it just tells me she really don't care to much about Bella or us.
she just wants control and she also said( not in contract on the phone!!) she wants a puppy back from every litter and wants to be co-owner to Bella and not have any financial responsibility to her or puppies if we in her words (me & her) breed her.and she wants to have control over what male i would breed with also. to me it's like she wants to keep making money off us and get puppies from us and not have any responsibility other then saying yes, no and give me more!!


Sire: Ch. Tsa-La-Gi Remote Control
Dam: Tsa-La-Gi If You Please
Date of Birth: December 3 2010
Purchaser: Heather (my info was here)
The above Yorkshire Terrier is being sold to Heather(last name) on the conditions that all puppies resulting from any breeding will be sold on Limited Registration from the American Kennel Club.
Upon acquiring this Yorkshire Terrier, Heather (last name was here) agrees that no resulting puppies will be sold on Full Registration. If any resulting puppies/adults are to be sold with Full Registration the purchaser has agreed to contact the breeder Glenda (her last name here) in writing for approval of the home for any such placement. If any puppies/adults are placed in breeding situations with out this "writing of approval" the purchaser listed in this contract will be subject to a $3000. fine payable to Glenda (last name taken out) for each dog placed with out this written consent.
If for any reason the purchaser decides she/he no longer is able to keep the decribed dog he/she has agreed to offer her back to Glenda (last name) in writing, for a sum not to excide the selling price ($1,200).(i paid 1250 for her) If breeder is unable to purchase the dog back she has the right of approval to the new owner.
In addition all grandsired get from this dog also applys to this contract.

__________________________________________________ _______________
Purchaser/date

__________________________________________________ _______________
Seller/date



this was sent to me in an e-mail and i wasn't even told anything about it and i still do not have her AKC papers and still don't understand how this fixes how she came to us in the condition she was in. i don't think it is a result of a bad breeding or this came from her parents, i feel that all this is the fault of who was the one suppose to be caring for her!! GLENDA not her little old lady that she is putting the blame on for the sores and redness on her bum bum!!! she said she seen Bella's bottom full of feces and asked her so called old lady groomer she has hired to care for the up keep of the dogs in the kennel why it was on her she told me she said i didn't see it!!

lord help me

Nothing like slanting a "contract" to her favor.

Ya know lol that's what I said I don't mind not just handing over full registration as I don't believe in just breeding to breed its about battering the breed and doing it with responsibility I in no way just condone breeding I would only do it to better the breed and get show quality dogs and sell puppies and or finished adults to responsible owners. Of course I want to protect my lines and all dogs for that matter but you can't only be in it for your own well being. A "mentor" isn't suppose to use there students you should stride for them to even be better then them self as a parent does for their children.
Maybe I'm wrong ?????

Are you going to show this little girl? I do not understand why you were not provided w a pedigree. When I bought my Gidget as a pet from an exhibitor in my area, a pedigree of her was furnished to me to review before I even bought the dog. I don't think you should consider breeding her w/o first reviewing the pedigree and doing research on this breeder's line. Also, why would you want to "get into bed" w someone who does not care for her dogs (according to you, I have no personal knowledge of this), which is what breeding this dog would get you into. I would keep the little girl and spay her to keep as a pet.

I agree about spaying her.

In my opinion, this girl should not be bred. She's had quite a hard life already and should just be loved and kept as a pet.

You don't have any information on her lines, her pedigree, her papers, etc. Even if you did have papers, you don't seem to trust her breeder as far as you could throw her so why would you trust anything coming from her? Papers aren't everything. If she was this dishonest with me, I would never trust her or her lines.

You are better off starting from ground zero and building your breeding program from the ground up in an appropriate manner.

I did research the pedigree before I got her she just was suppose to send me a copy and I had thought I could trust her before I got the dog she had seemed to care for her dogs and seemed to care where she was going and I had been talking to glenda for a month and looking at her lines for a few years. I didn't hear anything bad about her till after I had sent payment for our dog... Now that she is here and we put all this time money and love into her here we sit with what...yes I have a new puppy yes we will love her its not her fault but glenda goes on her marry way and keeps doing this to people?? I was silly I must say on my part to trust her I guess but it don't make it right what she has done or shall I say still is doing.....I don't know makes me feel like its my fault when all I was doing was.trying to do everything I could to start out right she has been showing and breeding for 30 years I didn't think after all I seen and read and spoke with her she would sell me a dog and do all this to us!!!!!@

You might want to post this contract in the Breeders' Section here at YT and ask their opinions if you are concerned about this contract. It is my limited understanding that exhibitor/breeders w established lines guard their lines "w their life", so to speak. I have heard many like to retain rights of some kind to their line and what someone does w it when showing and breeding. If your concern is w how much control she is retaining w that contract, I would ask the breeders/exhibitors on this site how much control they retain and/or their mentors retain. Was she agreeing to "mentor you" and help you get into exhibiting and breeding?

As for the condition of the dog, I am sure they also would have some wonderful suggestions. I would suggest reporting her to the AKC, along w your pics of the condition you received the dog in.

You took possession of the dog w/o a signed contract, so I'm not sure legally what is available to you. Again, maybe the exp breeders on this site could help you.

My 2 cents
 

I don't think anyone is questioning the fact that the dog came to you in bad condition and that Glenda is at fault for it. It's obvious that she is in a much better place now, and that's wonderful for the little girl.

What someone was trying to point out above is that you have two options right now:
#1 Spay her and keep her as just a pet. If you decide that you still want to step into the show ring in the future--start over again and this time with a reputable breeder who is thoroughly checked out, etc.

OR #2: Sign Glenda's required contract in order to recieve her AKC papers (which I assume she is holding until you sign said contract), and enter into an agreement with her that keeps you "bound" to an irresponsible breeder for many years to come. This second option seems to be the ONLY way that you will get her AKC papers on full registration--and in order to show/breed her you would HAVE to have the full registration papers.

SO the question they were asking is why would you want to enter a contract with someone you disagree with and who is obviously not a reputable breeder? That's what they meant...if those are your only two options...why choose the 2nd knowing what kind of breeder you're dealing with in Glenda?


My personal advice would be to just keep her and spay her, and love her as a special little pet. She deserves it after her rough start in life. It's great that she was "rescued" from that awful situation and she has a chance for a new beginning with you. Work with her and take her everywhere you go--she is still young enough that she can be "re-socialized" and come out of her shell.

I pulled a little 2 year old Yorkie girl from an outside kennel who had probably never been held or touched this Spring. She was so afraid of people. It took me several days once she was in my home before I could pick her up. She was incredibly thin as well and covered in fleas, infested with worms. Long story short...she was placed into a very special home with a wonderful family who was recommended to me by a friend. She is now a beautiful spayed little princess who LOVES her family, belly rubs, cuddling, her toys (which she had never seen before she came to me), and she has filled out and in a good healthy size because her new mom cooks for her every day. Her pictures make me cry every time I get an update--she has truly made a 180. So, there IS hope for this little girl to turn around in her personality. Just wanted to share that story with you. :) Good luck with your new baby!

She is yours now. Spay her and shower her with love, affection and some fun training and bring her out of herself and give her confidence and pride. She will reward you with years and years of love, companionship, fun and the satisfaction of knowing you did right by your little girl despite all the bad that went before. Lessons learned and all that aside, you still have a wonderful dog for a pet.

purplekisses, I am sorry you are in a bind with the paperwork. I hope you get some sound advice on how to proceed from the more experienced members. I am in the woods on such matters but I will say, I've read all your threads and seen the pics and you have yourself an exceptionally beautiful little lady. After you resolve her minor issues, I hope you get many many years of love from her and give her the same. Pleeeaaassseeee stop calling her a "high priced rescue". It implies that rescue dogs are in some way "lesser than" and it makes me cringe every time I see it. The price is fair for a pure-bred Yorkie I think. She should have been clean and tick-free, etc but you will resolve all of that soon enough. Don't let all of that take away from the excitement and enjoyment of your new baby girl. She's a doll for sure!

AMEN...... WELL PUT LAST WRITERS
I am sad i gave that money to someone that would treat a dog like that i feel i paid for a puppy from a puppy mill or a back yard breeder i feel responsible and hurt over this I have to pull myself through this and i wish i had away to stop this crap from happening. I never thought this would be me....I tell people all the time do your research and look what happened grrrr sooo i need to get to know good breeders and show peoples so recommend some to me please peoples and wishing to find someone close to us in Madison Wisconsin???

This is really sad. It takes time and research to learn about a breed and the blood lines as well as the breeders. Even in the show world there are those who are not trustworthy. You would pay much more than $1200.00 for a show dog. Many good breeders charge that much for their pet stock.
Someone interested in showing needs to get involved in their local kennel club and learn. Talk to the people and get to know about them. Dog showing is very competitive. It takes time to even figure out who is trustworthy and who is not. You need to know which bloodlines are winning and which ones are sound health wise. A good breeder is not going to sell their best stock to someone who is just starting out. They want their stock to go to someone who knows about the breed and the pedigree. They also want someone who knows how to show a dog and will get the dog out and show it over and over again. It means a lot of travel and a lot of money. Just grooming a show dog is a huge amount of information and skill in it's self.
Did you look at your dog's pedigree? Do you know about genetics and how a solid line of winners is founded? If you are serious about showing please take the time to learn these things. In the mean time please seek help for you dog. It has been abused and neglected physically and socially. It will take a lot of time, love, and patience to start the healing process for this little one.

lesson learned!!!
 

well what I mean about high priced rescue is..... that I was told I was buying a show breeder bred yorkie that I could start my showing and breeding program with and I feel like I paid a back-yard breeder that didn't care about the dog only about the money....money that will help her to keep doing this BS to these poor defenseless dogs.

sorry it comes across as if it is Bella's fault or that I would love her any less, I love all animals weather a rescue or a high priced show dog, I have done rescue for many years in no way are rescues any less important then any other dog, they are all just as deserving of love and care as any other!!! so sorry for making you cringe lol I hope you understand what I was trying to say and for give me if it gave anyone an Idea that I would not treat her any different even if she was free and needed all the vet care in the world to save her if I had away I would do it!!

all you asked has been answered already that is why i asked for her to mentor me lol i asked the wrong breeder for one!! and she (Bella) is getting all the care she needs i know alot about that doing rescue and rehab and service training for 13 years and just so you know we have shown some already and yes I know how the show world is and it is why people like me that love the breed and want to do whats best for the breed and try to start somewhere but get told to do it one way by one breeder and then a different way by another let me say it's quite contradictory at times!! why do you think i am here asking questions and saying I am part to blame for this happening by not getting things in line before I paid for her by I trusted her and I am deeply sorry for that but one thing good came from this Bella isn't there anymore she is in a home that loves and cares for her!!!!

I will say however not anyone is perfect I'm sure everyone has a story or two to tell......I know I am doing the best I can with the knowledge I have been given and I will try my hardest everyday to do better then the day before!!!!