The Real difference between a show dog and a pet

[QuickSilver]

Here is my new vision for breeding programs:

Each breed club acts as a "rating agency" for breeding dogs. A breeder pays a fee to have their dog assessed for adherence to breed standard. The dog's health and temperment are ALSO verified, maybe yearly. The YTCA makes every dog's scores are available online for potential buyers to check out.

Dogs that are exceptionally close to breed standard can be shown competitively, and presumably have offspring that would sell for higher prices.

There. Problem solved!

[Woogie Man]

2nd try....first 1 is the female, last 2 are the male

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't know what the average family is, but I consider my family average, and we got Joey from a show breeder. It wasn't easy, I had to be very persistent calling her, and she wanted to know my views on many things before she agreed to meet me. I think the point some are trying to make is that the average family can get their dog from a reputable breeder, if they are patient. If I could not have found a good breeder to sell me a dog, rather than rewarding a poor breeder with my business, I would have chosen a dog from the shelter, as I have often done before.

Many good breeders accept waiting lists, and don't really want to breed, if there are no suitable homes, some are cutting back because of the recession, yet backyard breeders are coming out of the woodwork because of the recession and a desire to earn a little extra spending money. Who would have ever thought a recession would be bad for the breed?

I do understand this point, and have tried to respond to it several times, but it seems to get stuck.

[QuickSilver]

Yaaay, WoogieMan posted pictures!


Omigosh, there's even an AVATAR!

[Woogie Man]

Here's the 2nd one of the female....the pic was too big so had to re-size it

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Yaaay, WoogieMan posted pictures!


Omigosh, there's even an AVATAR!

Hahaha....I told you our new-found relationship was inspiring!! Who knows where it may lead to next

[westieboy]

One thing to point out is that dogs from reputable breeders age a lot better and seem to stay younger looking. When I got my westie from my breeder, I met many of her dogs. One of her dogs was 14 years old and she was full of energy and looked much younger.

[Brooklynn]

I've had several wait a year and two years to get a pup from me. Patience is the key when you find a good show breeder. Unfortunately I don't breed much so I do recommend to those I know that have puppies or will be having puppies that I know are reputable breeders. I will say again, if the supply wasn't there there wouldn't be a demand.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

You said -This Yorkie came from champ lines, and was being used to BREED. That was all she was good for at that home.

You are on topic and this is a very valid observation. This is exactly one of the things I am talking about that a breeder who advertises, champion lines with no champions of their own is only in it for the money. Unfortunately this poor little girl you saw is exactly the problem that can happen when a show breeder's kennel name dogs get away from them.
As I said before, some show breeders don't care where they sell too, they are not considered reputable either regardless of whether they show. Some got away from the show breeder because they were duped by someone and should not have trusted them. This is why it is so difficult for a newcomer to get into the breed. We have to make sure a newcomer is not going to turn around breed/sell anywhere for the soul purpose of making money.
So the question you want to ask when someone is selling a pup, champion lines, "Do you show your dogs at all and how many champions have you produced?" Often sellers, and that's about all they are, will advertise Champion lines without ever seeing a show ring because they will ask way more money but you still don't really know what your getting. If the parents are pet quality, the pup will be pet quality or getting away from even looking like a Yorkie. Showing such as I do, and breeding with many champions in my lines, I still will get pet quality pups. All show breeders do regardless of what breed you are talking about.
Again, when buying a puppy, the breeder should be asking a lot of questions and unless you convince them that you want to get into showing, it should not be sold on open papers.
I have seen many ads, where one price will get you limited registration, a much higher price will get you open papers to do as you wish. This is so unethical. Often the pup is very young, you have no idea what you are really getting. There is such an ad on this forum right now. I would advise anyone to keep looking don't go there.
A pup should also never be sold under 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 lbs regardless of age. They are too small if especially under 2 lbs to go to a new home, risk factors are way too high.
Remember, regardless of parents size that pup could very well be small due to a health issue.

Alot of non show "breeders" use the "champion lines" as "bragging rights" to validate the "quality" of the pups to get a higher price. I would rather wait two years to get a quality pup from a reputable breeder.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Here's the 2nd one of the female....the pic was too big so had to re-size it

OMG I am head over heels in love!!!

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I've had several wait a year and two years to get a pup from me. Patience is the key when you find a good show breeder. Unfortunately I don't breed much so I do recommend to those I know that have puppies or will be having puppies that I know are reputable breeders. I will say again, if the supply wasn't there there wouldn't be a demand.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

good post and good point Donna and that's what we do here in Canada regardless of where the query came from. As I and I know you are too, are on various yahoo groups for show breeders we know each other and I will refer an enquirer to someone in their area that I can recomomend if they are enquiring from elsewhere as I don't ship. So it doesn't matter how many I personally might sell or have available for pet homes, I likely know someone who does, AND/OR the buyer has to be patient and wait until someone who is a good breeder has something.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't know what the average family is, but I consider my family average, and we got Joey from a show breeder. It wasn't easy, I had to be very persistent calling her, and she wanted to know my views on many things before she agreed to meet me. I think the point some are trying to make is that the average family can get their dog from a reputable breeder, if they are patient. If I could not have found a good breeder to sell me a dog, rather than rewarding a poor breeder with my business, I would have chosen a dog from the shelter, as I have often done before.

Many good breeders accept waiting lists, and don't really want to breed, if there are no suitable homes, some are cutting back because of the recession, yet backyard breeders are coming out of the woodwork because of the recession and a desire to earn a little extra spending money. Who would have ever thought a recession would be bad for the breed?

Exellent post. And you are right, that is the kind of home I am looking for, someone who answers my questions, keeps coming back enquiring again, asks me questions and will wait if necessary.
Even if I have something available, I put the prospective buyer through a bit of a waiting while I decide about them and check out references and let them think about it.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

good post and good point Donna and that's what we do here in Canada regardless of where the query came from. As I and I know you are too, are on various yahoo groups for show breeders we know each other and I will refer an enquirer to someone in their area that I can recomomend if they are enquiring from elsewhere as I don't ship. So it doesn't matter how many I personally might sell or have available for pet homes, I likely know someone who does, AND/OR the buyer has to be patient and wait until someone who is a good breeder has something.

Thank you Yes, we are on several yahoo show breeder groups. I do not ship either and I always try and refer to someone in their area or at least help in a search. I know it's hard to have patience but believe me it's worth the wait in gold to aquire a nice healthy yorkie from a reputable breeder even if it does take a year or two

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshrie Terriers

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Exellent post. And you are right, that is the kind of home I am looking for, someone who answers my questions, keeps coming back enquiring again, asks me questions and will wait if necessary.
Even if I have something available, I put the prospective buyer through a bit of a waiting while I decide about them and check out references and let them think about it.

I make them wait also. Just to make sure they are the right home AND to make sure I want to place the pup. I do hang on to my pups (when I have them) for awhile just to be sure they aren't what I want in the show ring. Patience is the key and if you want a good quality pet it's worth it

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[PANAMA69]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

OMG I am head over heels in love!!!

Me too great now I want another one