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Brooklynn 06-07-2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2658412)
And we are speaking about the ever famous Kay Joiner and Team Oliver:)
Yuppers that is of who we speak of! Great lady and a great source of knowledge on the Yorkshire Terrier!

Mardelin 06-07-2009 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2658420)
Yuppers that is of who we speak of! Great lady and a great source of knowledge on the Yorkshire Terrier!
Now there is another proper English Handler who use to show and breed yorkies, but now handles poms.....Brannia. The lady is a kick...and you'd think that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth, but she can throw some zingers at you.

Brooklynn 06-07-2009 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2658427)
Now there is another proper English Handler who use to show and breed yorkies, but now handles poms.....Brannia. The lady is a kick...and you'd think that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth, but she can throw some zingers at you.
You know, I can take those zingers LOL...but in all honesty believe it or not I do take peoples advice on many things, like the weekend in OKC...with Radar's and Morgan's breeder, I'm not perfect and he pointed out some things I needed to change and what to look for...I still soak up my mentor's knowledge and experience and learn from it...if I'm doing something wrong I "expect" to be told whether I may like it or not :) really that's how we learn. Maybe instead of getting defensive, take a step back and listen, I know I do. I've actually learned a few new things just from this thread alone :)

Woogie Man 06-07-2009 07:09 PM
Thanks for the words of encouragement, Donna. I really should try getting actual ring experience but have not as of yet. I try to have a critical eye for my dogs but am quite happy at this point. I do hope to see my ideals realized as time goes on. As for Radar, it goes without saying that he is stunning.

Lorraine, I really appreciate your comments. I think I know what you mean by good structure and how you know it when you see it. I feel my guy has it. His topline is dead even when stacked but when he's relaxed, it seems to relax, too. Should I be looking for a topline that's level 100% of the time?

One thing that's always gotten me is the description of a 'rather gay tail'. I couldn't quite get the meaning of this until my Scarlett came along. Now I KNOW what a gay tail is. It's like you say, when you see it, you know it and it's breath taking.

I've been lucky as far as bite goes. All mine have, so far, had nice level bites.

Thanks, ladies, for your comments. They really are invaluable to those of us seeking to better our lines. Nothing like those that have been-there, done-that for excellent advice.....Jim

Mardelin 06-07-2009 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2658436)
You know, I can take those zingers LOL...but in all honesty believe it or not I do take peoples advice on many things, like the weekend in OKC...with Radar's and Morgan's breeder, I'm not perfect and he pointed out some things I needed to change and what to look for...I still soak up my mentor's knowledge and experience and learn from it...if I'm doing something wrong I "expect" to be told whether I may like it or not :) really that's how we learn. Maybe instead of getting defensive, take a step back and listen, I know I do. I've actually learned a few new things just from this thread alone :)
Well you know that my mentor doesn't mince words with me either. But, the day we stop learning we may as well just roll over. She and her previous handler put me through the ringer before allowing me into the ring. Getting defensive defeats the purpose. I look at it as constructive criticism, especially given by those veterns. Not to say that we can't learn from people that are relatively new to the breed and sport.

Woogie Man 06-07-2009 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by westieboy (Post 2658404)
Again, your dogs are very cute and I would love to have a yorkie like yours.

My westie was a show dog reject but I love her anyway. Her breeder has some of the top westies in the country and she was thinking about keeping my girl but at the end, she knew she wasn't going to make weight.
I've been a fan of Westies for some time but had never met one in person until the other day at my vet's office. I love them even more now. If I wasn't obsessed with Yorkies, I'd have a Westie.

Brooklynn 06-07-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2658437)
Thanks for the words of encouragement, Donna. I really should try getting actual ring experience but have not as of yet. I try to have a critical eye for my dogs but am quite happy at this point. I do hope to see my ideals realized as time goes on. As for Radar, it goes without saying that he is stunning.

Lorraine, I really appreciate your comments. I think I know what you mean by good structure and how you know it when you see it. I feel my guy has it. His topline is dead even when stacked but when he's relaxed, it seems to relax, too. Should I be looking for a topline that's level 100% of the time?

One thing that's always gotten me is the description of a 'rather gay tail'. I couldn't quite get the meaning of this until my Scarlett came along. Now I KNOW what a gay tail is. It's like you say, when you see it, you know it and it's breath taking.

I've been lucky as far as bite goes. All mine have, so far, had nice level bites.

Thanks, ladies, for your comments. They really are invaluable to those of us seeking to better our lines. Nothing like those that have been-there, done-that for excellent advice.....Jim
Jim you really are a breath of fresh air! When Radar free stacks in the living room his top line is dead level! I do feel sometimes when they are in relaxed mode the top line can go off especially in a puppy! And the comment you made before there is NO perfect yorkie :)
You should try the ring I have a feeling you would absolutely love it! Nothing more beautiful than seeing a gorgeous yorkie flowing around the ring in a breathaking manner! Heaven on earth!
As Lorraine pointed out nothing more beautiful or breath taking to see one move so gracifully and structually sound in the ring!
Donna

Brooklynn 06-07-2009 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2658447)
Well you know that my mentor doesn't mince words with me either. But, the day we stop learning we may as well just roll over. She and her previous handler put me through the ringer before allowing me into the ring. Getting defensive defeats the purpose. I look at it as constructive criticism, especially given by those veterns. Not to say that we can't learn from people that are relatively new to the breed and sport.
Sometimes those that are new can bring a new light on the sport! I've actually learned from a few myself :)

Mardelin 06-07-2009 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2658455)
Sometimes those that are new can bring a new light on the sport! I've actually learned from a few myself :)
Absolutely, Not only that the new ones coming up are the future of the breed. That thought came to me in Oklahoma, watching Jessie in the ring. My gosh that lil girl is outhandling her grandmother. And she doesn't lose her cool.....

Woogie Man 06-07-2009 07:27 PM
Donna, the reason I asked about topline is that my Heidi has an arrow straight top that never wavers. She is very cobby-bodied, too. The one thing is that her gait isn't as effortless as the male pup I posted. I don't want to sacrifice gait for an incrementally better topline. It seems the 2 are related.

I really shouldn't have let that boy get away from me. I just couldn't see fitting him in at the time. The good news is that I have a new litter of pups from this pair that was born this past Tuesday. I have 2 boys and 2 girls. I'm going to be very careful in what I do with these pups and am in no hurry to see them go. Thanks for the chat; it has been interesting....Jim

Brooklynn 06-07-2009 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2658468)
Absolutely, Not only that the new ones coming up are the future of the breed. That thought came to me in Oklahoma, watching Jessie in the ring. My gosh that lil girl is outhandling her grandmother. And she doesn't lose her cool.....
You got that right! That young lady is so impressive and to be only 13 years old? She really could teach a few some things! I know I have actually learned a few things from her like her professionalism at such a young age! She's going to be great as she already is! What I have also learned from this bright and intelligent 13 year old is how much grace and maturity she has and more so than some adults I know :)

Brooklynn 06-07-2009 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2658474)
Donna, the reason I asked about topline is that my Heidi has an arrow straight top that never wavers. She is very cobby-bodied, too. The one thing is that her gait isn't as effortless as the male pup I posted. I don't want to sacrifice gait for an incrementally better topline. It seems the 2 are related.

I really shouldn't have let that boy get away from me. I just couldn't see fitting him in at the time. The good news is that I have a new litter of pups from this pair that was born this past Tuesday. I have 2 boys and 2 girls. I'm going to be very careful in what I do with these pups and am in no hurry to see them go. Thanks for the chat; it has been interesting....Jim
Top lines and gait goes hand in hand! Without the gait and good reach and drive you can't have a good top line.
It's nice to have a conversation with a non show breeder as yourself! Hopefully we can talk ya into the ring someday! Always nice to have new ones come and join us and enjoy this wonderful sport :)

Donna

Mardelin 06-07-2009 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2658481)
You got that right! That young lady is so impressive and to be only 13 years old? She really could teach a few some things! I know I have actually learned a few things from her like her professionalism at such a young age! She's going to be great as she already is! What I have also learned from this bright and intelligent 13 year old is how much grace and maturity she has and more so than some adults I know :)
That and her grandmother keeping her grounded....won't let her take a fee for any handling she does for clients. Will only allow them to get her gifts.

Watching Jessie grow up had been a pleasure. Knowing her since she was just 7 and remembering her first time in the ring....but, seeing her in the ring at the Oklahoma Specialty and the impressive win brought tears to my eyes.

Brooklynn 06-07-2009 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2658496)
That and her grandmother keeping her grounded....won't let her take a fee for any handling she does for clients. Will only allow them to get her gifts.

Watching Jessie grow up had been a pleasure. Knowing her since she was just 7 and remembering her first time in the ring....but, seeing her in the ring at the Oklahoma Specialty and the impressive win brought tears to my eyes.
It's been a pleasure for me also watching this young lady grow up into a beautiful and "SMART" young lady! Adults could actually learn from her. I wish to see more young people get involved in this wonderful sport. I always love to watch Jr. Handling! The love they have for the purebred is just totally awesome!

yorkiekist 06-07-2009 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2656553)
2nd try....first 1 is the female, last 2 are the male
Very nice and pretty puppies!!:thumbup:


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