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pawever Yorkie 05-19-2009 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lioncross4 (Post 2628158)
I'm so glad your fur baby is with you---sounds like you rescued your little love from puppy hell! Don't feel bad--you saved a life and are providing love to your little fur baby.

Thank you, I just feel bad that I some waht enabled person like Jeff...:mad:

Wylie's Mom 05-19-2009 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pawever Yorkie (Post 2628186)
Thank you for making me feel better:)
I already had 3 yorkies when I got CsiCsu and I had really bad experience with the last breeder(I got Chewy from) from NYC. It's just that yorkies are really over priced(even apartment breeders are asking min$1000)!!! That's why I thought it would be better to get puppy from other state and I came across Jeff's name couple of times and gave his website a try.
He website looked nice and yes, he even had rescue page which I though really nice of him!!! At first CsiCsu was $4800 and $3200 then $2800 and finally easter sale for $1300(he said because of his age/old@5month???)
When I wanted to buy him, Jeff raised his price back to $3200 and told me that his puppies are in such demands which influence the price. Supposedly, there were couple of people visited him to see CsiCsu when I called him...:confused: He said that if I purchase puppy right away, he'll keep the price @$1300 and we bought into it...:( I should have known!!!
Of course,I love CsiCsu no matter what, it's just that he seems to be always cold because of his thin coat...
I'll most definitely warn everyone I meet at doggy park,pet shop...etc not to purchase puppies from Jeff's website.
PS.. I'll post a thread about Chewy'e story later...
Thank you

Wow....I am so sorry you're going through this. He disgusts me....I mean just disgusts me. I just cannot believe he is in business. I do hope you will call his local Humane Ass'n and report anything about him that you can.

hearttx 05-19-2009 03:07 PM

I too was scammed by the Dane brothers.
 
I am so sorry for your bad experience. I bought my "oni" from his brother Steve and he is just as bad. In fact in doing research, after I bought my pup, I found out Steve got his brother into the business and it is a shame for them to call themselves a breeder. I bought the concept of a "teacup" and paid dearly for it although not as much as you did. Today "Oni" is 5 months old and 6 lbs. When I got him at 12 weeks he weighed 1.5 lbs and was very sick. I had to take him to the vet with diarrhea and he was put on anitbodtics for 10 days. Even at 13 weeks he was still 1.5 lbs. But by the time he was 18 weeks he was almost 6 lbs. Now that is gaining over 3/4 a pound every week. I have raised german shepherds that I wish would gain that much. It has been a bitter sweet story for he is the smartest small dog I have ever own but who know what he will weigh. It has been hard to accept the fact that my yorkie is not only big but could be over the standard size. I believed the growth chart and did not come across this site before it was too late. I am hoping that he is doing all his growing and then will stop. He is very stocky build and short legs and that helps. Anyway, these brothers are scam artist and put a shame to the business. I am glad your is healthy.

pawever Yorkie 05-20-2009 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hearttx (Post 2629204)
I am so sorry for your bad experience. I bought my "oni" from his brother Steve and he is just as bad. In fact in doing research, after I bought my pup, I found out Steve got his brother into the business and it is a shame for them to call themselves a breeder. I bought the concept of a "teacup" and paid dearly for it although not as much as you did. Today "Oni" is 5 months old and 6 lbs. When I got him at 12 weeks he weighed 1.5 lbs and was very sick. I had to take him to the vet with diarrhea and he was put on anitbodtics for 10 days. Even at 13 weeks he was still 1.5 lbs. But by the time he was 18 weeks he was almost 6 lbs. Now that is gaining over 3/4 a pound every week. I have raised german shepherds that I wish would gain that much. It has been a bitter sweet story for he is the smartest small dog I have ever own but who know what he will weigh. It has been hard to accept the fact that my yorkie is not only big but could be over the standard size. I believed the growth chart and did not come across this site before it was too late. I am hoping that he is doing all his growing and then will stop. He is very stocky build and short legs and that helps. Anyway, these brothers are scam artist and put a shame to the business. I am glad your is healthy.

Thanks god, you rescued ONI from those awful people(is steve's website called "yourpup.com"? -which is linked to Jeff's website!!!:mad:)
I'm so sorry that you had to go through all that heartache...
ONI looks so cute and cuddly:animal36
regarding the size... My oldest yorkie Crusty is 2yrs and 8.6lb!!!not even close to standard size:eek: (compare to CsiCsu 1.8lb-6month, he's giant! but I think he still looks cute~:)) Pople like us(scamed by Jeff&Steve) should get together and write a petition!!!! There must be some way to stop BAD BREEDERS like those guys.

pawever Yorkie 05-20-2009 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2628275)
Wow....I am so sorry you're going through this. He disgusts me....I mean just disgusts me. I just cannot believe he is in business. I do hope you will call his local Humane Ass'n and report anything about him that you can.

Thank you... I called humane society and they are busy going after industrial size puppy milles... They said that they recieived complaints about Jeff, but no serious cases...

hearttx 05-20-2009 06:15 AM

Yes, Steve is his brother(yourpup.com) and the link on his website. I email and ask what size was the dame and sire and expressed my anger. Of course no reply. This is just money to them and they don't care. I know now you can't guarantee a size but to advertise teacups you would think he would have at least started with small size parents or a record of them throwing small dogs. It is only about the money. Bigger the dog larger the litter, the more money. So I do wish I could report or protest people could give quality breeders bad reputations. My next yorkie will be approved and on this site. I believe you will grow out of your problem. And I am still believing my will stop growing. :animal36

hearttx 05-20-2009 07:33 AM

Yes Steve(yourpup.com) is his brother and the link on his web site. I believe you will grow out of your problem and I am believing mine will stop growing.:animal36

teffiemoore 06-04-2009 05:00 AM

If you go to this website yorkiepups.com and look at the non yorkie stuff link, there is property listed for sale and states it is next to a "million dollar home", this is Jeff Dane's new home. He has recently relocated and built this "million dollar home" for himself. My husband drives back and forth weekly in this area and was just telling me about this yesterday...Obviously raking in some $$$$. Quite an upgrade from his previous operation. I just don't understand. YOu read several areas of how rude he is on the phone and through email responses, that he sells alot of sickly dogs and for absolutely ridiculous prices. He has many many complaints about him and he still operates!!!! Why don't people stop buying from him! Every red flag there is about so called breeders is there. How big do you have to be to be called "industrial"???

shannonroselive 06-04-2009 06:36 AM

I just went to yorkiepup website since I've never heard of them either. Wow, those tinies look so weak. Some are all leaned up against the wall and hanging on to the coke can for dear life. Some have to have someone hold their heads up!
I'm so sorry you got duped along with everyone else who buys from him. :(

Sweetdreams 04-27-2012 09:23 AM

Jeff Dane
 
Hi Everyone,
On February 9th 2012, my life partner went to this breeder's site and found Max a six month old teacup Yorkie under the rescue page of his site. We immediately called and advised we would take him. I met him at his home in Bells, Texas where Max was in the house. He gave me a story that Max was wrapped up in a blanket and was suffocated by his previous owner, causing him to be blind and had a mental disability. Of course I did not care I wanted him. He proceeded to tell me about one little dog he had, 6 months old, Micro Teacup Pocket Yorkie named "Kibbles n Bits". How she was a $10,000 dog but she was dropped on her head by her previous owner and could not walk. That she required 24 hour care and fed through a syringe. I said I would take her because my dad is home all the time and I knew he would help me care for her. He told me that the vets have tried everything for her. When he drove me out to the shed that was converted to a kennel, all the babies were in these cages that were lined all along the wall. The smell was horrendous. Trash Barrels in the center of the kennel. He proceeded to take me to the very back where, now named Ellie Mae, was caged. Her head was all matted and her body was shaved. She was on an extremely high dose of steroids, she was disgusting. Force feeding her baby food from a syringe. She was miserable completely skin and bones and she could not walk. I took her. When I got to work with the babies (Max and Ellie Mae) he kept emailing me, make sure she has a heating pad, and make sure she gets syrup and lots of love.
I cleaned up her head when I got home, I took her off the syringe and she ate perfectly fine and the very next day I took her to the Golden Triangle Animal Hospital because she could not breathe and had a horrible cough. I asked Jeff for all her records so that my vet and I knew where they left off and he told me there are none. He told me they had all their shots yet there is no record of this. When I took Ellie Mae to my Vet. He researched the website of the breeder and thought it was very suspicious. He called the vet that was listed on the steroid bottle and he asked what tests and procedures were done, they did not do anything for her but diagnose her with water on the brain and gave her a ridiculous dose of prednisone. Ellie Mae and came back positive for Giardia, she had Pneumonia, and she was malnourished. Ellie Mae was not dropped on her head and Max was not suffocated, they both were diagnosed with Hydrocephalus. This is known as water on the brain that can cause issues with their brain receptors causing blindness (Max), walking in circles (Max), seizures (Max), coma, death, and a paralyzing state (Ellie Mae). My Vet prescribed Prilosec, antibiotics (Clovomax) and also medicine for the Giardia and AD soft dog food. After two days of being on the meds Ellie Mae began walking, however, on February 17th still could not breathe so I took her to the emergency animal hospital in Benbrook. The advised me that the steroid Ellie Mae was on was horrendous dose for her size (Jeff had her on it)and she needed to be weaned from it. He also prescribed her another antibiotic and a nebulizer prescription. Now this baby girl is running around, playing and happy. If anyone else took her they would have put her to sleep. This is how bad the state she was that she was in. It is now April 27, 2012, her fur is growing in fully, with dandruff like cradle cap because she had almost no fur before. Unfortunately Max took a turn for the worst within one night. He lost his hearing and sight completely and quickly had tumors on his neck. He passed away last night. I am so angry and I am sooooo worried about Ellie.

nanahas3 04-27-2012 01:32 PM

I am so sorry:(. It was so good of you to take these little ones in. I am just at a loss for words about this horrible person who can treat these poor babies this way:mad:

jencar98 04-27-2012 01:35 PM

It is appalling to me that this man is still in business!

For all those that have bought his sick puppies, I would be trying to unite and file a class action lawsuit (if that's even possible).

gracielove 04-27-2012 01:57 PM

Are there any kennel requirements in Texas? Does anyone do inspections of such facilities to make sure that they are clean and have proper cooling and heating conditions? Some states have taken small steps to reign in these breeding dumps but I don't know if Texas is one of them. Certainly such filthy conditions should be inspected by someone! Many of these puppy millers and byb's treat their own animals. They get a vet who will give them prescriptions and they purchase from online dealers. How sad for those poor suffering babies.

msyorktown 04-27-2012 02:48 PM

@sweetdreams
 
I am so sorry for your loss hopefully Ellie Mae will be ok...these ppl need to be stopped! Is there no governing agency ...spca...anyone to call on these people...and i use the term ppl lightly! Stuff like this really gets under my skin!:mad:

Sweetdreams 04-28-2012 06:41 PM

I wish there was a way to stop him, there has to be. All the SPCA told me was that there is no puppy mill law in Texas. As long as they have food, water and shelter. I sent her an email back and said there has to be something we can do. I would love to set up a class action law suit against him just to get the babies out of his care!

concretegurl 04-28-2012 10:17 PM

Texas Consolidated Dog Laws

Above is a great resource
Here's a few more.

http://www.pijac.org/_documents/tx_hb_3180.pdf
Above shows it is true there is no "pup mill laws" however this law was made in 2009 and still stands unamended.

Animal Abuse: Sick dogs sold by online breeder, USDA probe - Athens, TX | Pet-Abuse.Com Animal Cruelty Database
SPCA of Texas

kodimerlyn 04-29-2012 06:44 AM

That seems like a pretty weak law to me...50 intact dogs!?? What reputable breeder has THAT many intact dogs?! 11 females ....perhaps...but even that seems excessive to me for someone who is supposed to be interested in improving the breed, which, IMHO, is the only reason people should be breeding but that's just my personal opinion. I have a lot of ideas about how to stop milling. Once I get them formulated I will start a campaign. I think individuals have a lot of power to make change and affect laws and change....and with the use of the Internet but it has to be a combined effort, between reputable breeders, licensing and registering bodies, and average pet people....but if it is well done I that a difference can be made.

gracielove 04-29-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetdreams (Post 3899503)
I wish there was a way to stop him, there has to be. All the SPCA told me was that there is no puppy mill law in Texas. As long as they have food, water and shelter. I sent her an email back and said there has to be something we can do. I would love to set up a class action law suit against him just to get the babies out of his care!

If nothing else you can get as many people as possible to contact your local legislators asking them to do something to set up regulations for kennels, in particular puppy mills that keep dogs in such deplorable conditions. Noting will ever be done until people get involved. Get someone in there to take pictures and post them all over the state. As long as this is a dirty little secret kept for the advantage of those who exploit animals nothing will ever change!

concretegurl 04-29-2012 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kodimerlyn (Post 3899730)
That seems like a pretty weak law to me...50 intact dogs!?? What reputable breeder has THAT many intact dogs?! 11 females ....perhaps...but even that seems excessive to me for someone who is supposed to be interested in improving the breed, which, IMHO, is the only reason people should be breeding but that's just my personal opinion. I have a lot of ideas about how to stop milling. Once I get them formulated I will start a campaign. I think individuals have a lot of power to make change and affect laws and change....and with the use of the Internet but it has to be a combined effort, between reputable breeders, licensing and registering bodies, and average pet people....but if it is well done I that a difference can be made.

When you do post it or share here...many YTers in TX and many of us who are not who will unequivecly support the cause.

gracielove 04-30-2012 04:45 PM

From what I have seen of states that do make laws concerning puppy mills there seems to be a strong "lobby' from the puppy millers. Bills get watered down and some breeders say the laws will effect their ability to conduct their breeding programs. What ends up being put into law are laws that are hard to enforce and really don't help get rid of the puppy mills at all. Someone has influence in this industry.

fourstubbs 04-30-2012 05:03 PM

I went to that site and it sickened me to see those poor puppies. I don't know why people are allowed to get away with this stuff....it disgusts me.

nanahas3 04-30-2012 06:14 PM

The hardest thing to get passed I think is a law against puppy mills and I think part of the problem is they add so much other stuff to it like in Missouri there were also all the laws about cattle and such and I truly believe that is why it has failed so many times here :(

gracielove 04-30-2012 10:15 PM

Back during the industrial revolution (1750-1850) children were treated as prisoners to work in mills and other industries. It took many many years for anything to be done to save these poor children from the injustice of their suffering. The wheels of justice seem to turn very slowly even in this nation that is far advanced over many areas of the world. There has to be a very public outcry in order to get public sentiment behind a just cause. So far there has been far too little public education and the media has been mostly silent about puppy mills. Puppy mill owners seem to have some power to lobby against restrictions as most bills that have been presented become watered down by the time they are passed. It is going to take some serious organization to get strict laws passed to stop this disgusting industry.

concretegurl 05-01-2012 12:14 PM

I find the Missori laws strange. We all know it iz pup mill capital USA however the cattle and all livestock working made ranchers vote against it what the yorkies! How hard is it to say stop caging abusing over breeding neglecting denying food water vet care to love compasssion exercise etc? I find it sickening the USDA laws are So Minimal yet they can't even be followed. We need more crimi.al prosecutions. That will cost money and pup mills are lobbied for and create revenues...we are zo easily bought and so are our politicians.

Sweetdreams 05-04-2012 09:44 AM

Great news everyone, I received a message from the SPCA of the United States. They state that Jeff has broken multiple laws and want me to file against him. I am waiting until Monday to get the full report from my Vet and I am pressing charges against him. Wish me luck.

KimInMD 05-04-2012 01:18 PM

Sorry, But I have no sympathy for a back yard breeder who was just trying to procure new breeding stock. The OP bought from Jeff because registration was open (CKC). OP has had at least 23 dogs in the past 3 years (multiple puppy litters). Esther doesn't show or breed to improve her lines. She has no lines. She breeds to make money off her poor dog's backs. If she finds out Csi-Csu isn't all Yorkie, he'll be gone very quickly. Sorry, I really don't mean to be mean spirited. It's just my opinion. I am very sorry for all the other posters who were misled by Jeff. You didn't deserve it.

MikaTallulah 05-04-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pawever Yorkie (Post 2627428)
Visited vet today, and he told me "CsiCsu MIGHT BE YORKIE/CHIWAWA MIX!!!!!" WTF:eek: I got ckc paper for yorkie, but could it be fake paper??? since its from Jeff Dane. Now what? should I do DNA test?!

CKC- Continental Kennel Club (not so reputable IMO) or Canadian Kennel Club

From Continental's website http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...ineApp2009.pdf - Parents don't have to be purebred to be registered as yorkie. You just need next and 2 people to say it is a yorkie :thumbdown

Non-Purebred - Mixed Breeds - Continental Kennel Club Can register mix breed dogs, too.

GeorgiesMomma 05-04-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KimInMD (Post 3906413)
Sorry, But I have no sympathy for a back yard breeder who was just trying to procure new breeding stock. The OP bought from Jeff because registration was open (CKC). OP has had at least 23 dogs in the past 3 years (multiple puppy litters). Esther doesn't show or breed to improve her lines. She has no lines. She breeds to make money off her poor dog's backs. If she finds out Csi-Csu isn't all Yorkie, he'll be gone very quickly. Sorry, I really don't mean to be mean spirited. It's just my opinion. I am very sorry for all the other posters who were misled by Jeff. You didn't deserve it.

I didn't post on here because I was a tad offended that the OP said ugly rat in reference to her new furbaby. Thank you for bringing this to my attention Kim. I hope others read your post.

I am very sorry to others misled as well.

gracielove 05-04-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by concretegurl (Post 3902285)
I find the Missori laws strange. We all know it iz pup mill capital USA however the cattle and all livestock working made ranchers vote against it what the yorkies! How hard is it to say stop caging abusing over breeding neglecting denying food water vet care to love compasssion exercise etc? I find it sickening the USDA laws are So Minimal yet they can't even be followed. We need more crimi.al prosecutions. That will cost money and pup mills are lobbied for and create revenues...we are zo easily bought and so are our politicians.

I don't understand this either but I suspect that it has something to do with the way our "usda" meats enter the food chain. It is a disgrace the way cattle and other animals raised for food are treated. There is a strong lobby that keeps watering down every legislation that is brought forward to regulate puppy mills. There has to be a connection some where.

msyorktown 05-04-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KimInMD (Post 3906413)
Sorry, But I have no sympathy for a back yard breeder who was just trying to procure new breeding stock. The OP bought from Jeff because registration was open (CKC). OP has had at least 23 dogs in the past 3 years (multiple puppy litters). Esther doesn't show or breed to improve her lines. She has no lines. She breeds to make money off her poor dog's backs. If she finds out Csi-Csu isn't all Yorkie, he'll be gone very quickly. Sorry, I really don't mean to be mean spirited. It's just my opinion. I am very sorry for all the other posters who were misled by Jeff. You didn't deserve it.

WOW!!! This is intesting....and here i was feeling sorry for yet another person duped by this Jeff person! Thanks KimInMD for the info...she isn't so nice after all...just my opinion, not trying to judge anyone here. This just reiterates do your research folks...check and re-check!! I learned that the hard way....thank goodness my two that i bought from a byb are healthy so far>many aren't as I now know.


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