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yorkiekist 12-22-2008 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2384622)
The title of this thread is bringing a DOG in to stores. As I posted earlier, I have brought Bogey into many store because he is well behaved, can fit into a sling bag and never makes a peep while out. I do not bring the other 2 because the one is too heavy for a bag and the other one barks.

Not everyone is that considerate when it comes to their dogs. The last time I was at Joann Fabric and had Bogey, they told me about a woman that brings her YORKIES into the store in a stroller. They bark and growl at everyone while she shops, the entire store was up for grabs and when the manager went over to talk to her she told her to "be careful because the little one isn't friendly". :eek: Then you also have to look at ALL DOGS not just Yorkies. What if you had a pit bull (or any other large dog) and wanted to walk through the mall with it just like you are with your little yorkie? Would you have a problem with this? The place would turn into a zoo if everyone were to bring their dogs into wherever they wanted. We all know what would happen, every irresponsible pet owner would drag their out of control dog to the mall. Pretty soon we would hear on the news about someone being attacked at the local Walmart because a customer brought a dog into the store and there was a fight over the last box of cookies in aisle 6:p.


I agree that yorkies do not cause a lot of allergy problems BUT what about other dogs that are very much the cause of allergies? Let's not talk about cats because before long the cat lovers would want to bring their cats. Then I wouldn't be able to go to the mall because I am so allergic that I would be hauled out in an ambulance. :eek::p

So I have to say, as much as I love taking Bogey with me I am always very careful where I take him. You can't even say they could set a weight limit or size limit because then it would turn into discrimination again dog size or breed. :rolleyes:

Dogs do mark in public and that is probably the reason that they are no longer allowed at the craft show that was mentioned. I would not be happy if someone was not paying attention to their pet and it lifted its leg on my antique or craft. Just think about how much a lab would pee if it decided it wanted to mark on the antique dresser. Then there are the irresponsible people who do not clean up after their pets. Doberman poop is about the size of a yorkie:p But I am sure that is exactly why they no longer allow pets. There are just too many people that think they do not need to be courteous of others and ruin it for everyone who is very responsible.

I don't want everyone to think I am being mean or trying to disagree about bringing our yorkies into the store because believe me I would love to take mine lil Bogey into even more stores. But I just know what would happen with so many irresponsible pet owners in this world. Where would they draw the line? Would a cocker spanial that weighs 20 lb be acceptable to bring into the store if he owner stuffed it into a carrier? You know what would happen, someone would show up with their 40 lb dog and swear up and down it should be allowed in since Scruffy only weight 20 lb. :rolleyes:
:thumbup:Nice post!! These are my thoughts too. If you open the door for a Yorkie, then soon, all dogs will be allowed. I work in a grocery store. I have seen alot of pets come and go through the store over the years. Personally, I dont mind if the dog is well behaved and I love to see service dogs. But I think it is also a health dept issue and, unfortunately, some people just dont like dogs. Also, what happens if a dog is in a store, but isnt allowed to be, bites someone? There would be the biggest law-suit against the store.

KimberlySRN 12-22-2008 12:50 AM
Very good post and so true. It is the irresponsible owners who ruin it for everyone else and it is understandable. I have seen a few people at the pet stores with their dogs running wild, just imagen if it was at a regular store...
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2384622)
The title of this thread is bringing a DOG in to stores. As I posted earlier, I have brought Bogey into many store because he is well behaved, can fit into a sling bag and never makes a peep while out. I do not bring the other 2 because the one is too heavy for a bag and the other one barks.

Not everyone is that considerate when it comes to their dogs. The last time I was at Joann Fabric and had Bogey, they told me about a woman that brings her YORKIES into the store in a stroller. They bark and growl at everyone while she shops, the entire store was up for grabs and when the manager went over to talk to her she told her to "be careful because the little one isn't friendly". :eek: Then you also have to look at ALL DOGS not just Yorkies. What if you had a pit bull (or any other large dog) and wanted to walk through the mall with it just like you are with your little yorkie? Would you have a problem with this? The place would turn into a zoo if everyone were to bring their dogs into wherever they wanted. We all know what would happen, every irresponsible pet owner would drag their out of control dog to the mall. Pretty soon we would hear on the news about someone being attacked at the local Walmart because a customer brought a dog into the store and there was a fight over the last box of cookies in aisle 6:p.


I agree that yorkies do not cause a lot of allergy problems BUT what about other dogs that are very much the cause of allergies? Let's not talk about cats because before long the cat lovers would want to bring their cats. Then I wouldn't be able to go to the mall because I am so allergic that I would be hauled out in an ambulance. :eek::p

So I have to say, as much as I love taking Bogey with me I am always very careful where I take him. You can't even say they could set a weight limit or size limit because then it would turn into discrimination again dog size or breed. :rolleyes:

Dogs do mark in public and that is probably the reason that they are no longer allowed at the craft show that was mentioned. I would not be happy if someone was not paying attention to their pet and it lifted its leg on my antique or craft. Just think about how much a lab would pee if it decided it wanted to mark on the antique dresser. Then there are the irresponsible people who do not clean up after their pets. Doberman poop is about the size of a yorkie:p But I am sure that is exactly why they no longer allow pets. There are just too many people that think they do not need to be courteous of others and ruin it for everyone who is very responsible.

I don't want everyone to think I am being mean or trying to disagree about bringing our yorkies into the store because believe me I would love to take mine lil Bogey into even more stores. But I just know what would happen with so many irresponsible pet owners in this world. Where would they draw the line? Would a cocker spanial that weighs 20 lb be acceptable to bring into the store if he owner stuffed it into a carrier? You know what would happen, someone would show up with their 40 lb dog and swear up and down it should be allowed in since Scruffy only weight 20 lb. :rolleyes:

megansmomma 12-22-2008 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by KimberlySRN (Post 2384765)
Very good post and so true. It is the irresponsible owners who ruin it for everyone else and it is understandable. I have seen a few people at the pet stores with their dogs running wild, just imagen if it was at a regular store...
It is true with just about everything now days. If you go into Petsmart it state your pet must be leashed and supervised. Many years ago when my son (now 20) was about 8 or so we were in Petsmart. There was a man with a Doberman that Drew walked up to and looked into his eyes. The dog LUNGED at him! I grabbed him and pulled him backward and out of the dogs reach. This was a 2 way problem IMO since the owner should have known better and my son should never have done something like that but he was use to my sister's dobie and that was how they played. Another time at the same store, there was a "pet owner" that had his pit with him. He was walking around the store and encouraging agressive behavior by his dog! What a fool! I'll never forget it since there was a puppy obedience class going on and the guy was letting his dog lunge and barkand growl at everyone. We left because I was so upset and fearful that this dog would attack at any minute.

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2384758)
:thumbup:Nice post!! These are my thoughts too. If you open the door for a Yorkie, then soon, all dogs will be allowed. I work in a grocery store. I have seen alot of pets come and go through the store over the years. Personally, I dont mind if the dog is well behaved and I love to see service dogs. But I think it is also a health dept issue and, unfortunately, some people just dont like dogs. Also, what happens if a dog is in a store, but isnt allowed to be, bites someone? There would be the biggest law-suit against the store.
I love service dogs! They are just amazing the way they are so focused on their job! They are a very elite group that make it into service. :)

It isn't even not liking dogs but they have a FEAR of dog, whether they are big or small so people are deathly afraid of dog.

Lovetodream88 12-22-2008 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PrincessDiana (Post 2384637)
The cat was in a completely different room as her uncle. He wasn't touching it either.
No, but the cat probably had touched the stairs and other places her uncle touched in the house!

PunkinPie 12-22-2008 04:07 AM
We shop in as many pet friendly stores as possible. They get more of our business. We always carry Punkin or put her in a sling carrier (which she loves) for her own safety more than anything. We are lucky to live in a mostly dog loving city.

We don't bring her in stores that sell food and we understand. Although I have seen a couple of people in our grocery store lately with dogs in the cart (laying on a blanket). Not sure how they got away with that.

We often get takeout and sit in the car and eat so that we don't have to leave her home alone.

phfgkl 12-22-2008 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2384591)
But if your dog is in a carrier its not touching anything or anyone!
The cat wasn't touching anyone either. She was locked in one of the bedrooms, but, as soon as my uncle walked in the door, he knew as soon as he walked in the cat was in there

phfgkl 12-22-2008 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chloesMama (Post 2384653)
I never even thought about the food center in my Target. The manager of that Target has seen us a couple of times and he has never said anything to us . I don't think I would have considered doing it but I saw a lady with her dog in the back of the cart , and no one said anything to her, so I just made an assumption about taking a small dog in that store. It never occurred to me it was a health issue ( although I have never taken her to that part of the Target, just really through the pet and home goods isles ) but I can see now why it would be. I most likely will not take her to Target now , just in case . I don't want to cause an issue with anyone.

As for the size issue . My friend has bull mastiffs and while I don't have a problem with small dogs in a store I would have a problem with big ones.That is mainly based on my own personal fear of big dogs , but also on the big mess they could leave behind. I know I am being very hypercritical about the situation..It know isn't fair to be O.K. with the small dog and not O.K. with the bigger ones , but I feel it's easier to accept a small one easier based on fear ( irrational or not) of being bite or jumped on by a larger dog vs a smaller one being carried. Like I said ...I know that is hypercritical :confused:
You need to come visit, I have a german shepherd. She would help you get over your fears of big dogs. I was attacked by a shepherd when I was young, but, was always in love with the breed. Shepherds teeth can scare anyone, but, mine has never bitten anyone, nor would she(unless they were hurting hubby or me, and I still don't know if she would bite then). My nephew is a deputy, he has seen what shepherds can do, so when he came to visit, you could see him going to pet her very cautiously. I opened the gate and let her out, and off she went. She hardly even paid him any attention. Of course, i would never own a mean dog..:) A lot of big dogs are like gently giants!

phfgkl 12-22-2008 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2384806)
No, but the cat probably had touched the stairs and other places her uncle touched in the house!
LOL My uncle didn't have a chance to even touch the stairs, he barely got through the door:confused:

Bhikku 12-22-2008 06:28 AM
I personally am not crazy about dogs in stores other than pet-based stores like Petsmart. Petsmart has pet cleanup stations to sanitize any area where a pet might have an accident. Other stores don't, and I don't trust some dog owners to clean up after their pets the way they should.

I don't want to be shopping around in a place which is covered with trace amounts of urine and feces. *shrug*

That being said, I enjoy taking Ollie to Petsmart where he can be around other dogs and a variety of people in a controlled environment. But every time I bring him in, no matter how recently he has been taken out, it seems like he always poops as soon as we get in the door. It's a nervous reaction or something. Very embarrassing...

BamaFan121s 12-22-2008 06:29 AM
As long as the establishement allows dogs, I see no problem with it. And I think that every establishement reserves the right to determine that as they see fit, without being criticized for their decision.

I do see the concern to an extent over how it could affect those with allergies, I suppose. I know how highly allergic my husband is to cats and if they were allowed EVERYWHERE than that would put him in a rather bad predicament. Given the infrequency of dogs in public places (at least as far as where I live is concerned) I can't imagine judging based of what I've experiences that it would be that much of a concern, but if dogs were widely excepted and became more of a presence in stores, I can see where it could become an issue.

megansmomma 12-22-2008 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2384834)
LOL My uncle didn't have a chance to even touch the stairs, he barely got through the door:confused:
It is the dander from the cat (or dog) that people are allergic to that causes problems. Two of my children and I are all very allergic to cats. If I go to a home that has cats it doesn't matter how much they have cleaned or if the cat is locked in another room for the day I still get sick. I do not need to touch anything just breath the air in the home. The dander is shed and then is on the furniture, in the carpet and in the air. If you walk around it stirs up the dander so locking up a pet when you have a visitor just does not work. For example, if I was to move into a home that the previous owners had a cat I would still be sick because it is now part of the environment even though the cat is gone. The only way to make it go away would be to remove all the carpets and clean all the duct work. An even better analogy would be someone who is allergic to pollen, it is in the air and you are breathing it in this is much the same way as dander is in the air from a cat/dog. This is also the reason that some people are more allergic to specific breeds of dogs, they produce different dander.

I hope this explained the questions about allergies and pets.:)

phfgkl 12-22-2008 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2385084)
It is the dander from the cat (or dog) that people are allergic to that causes problems. Two of my children and I are all very allergic to cats. If I go to a home that has cats it doesn't matter how much they have cleaned or if the cat is locked in another room for the day I still get sick. I do not need to touch anything just breath the air in the home. The dander is shed and then is on the furniture, in the carpet and in the air. If you walk around it stirs up the dander so locking up a pet when you have a visitor just does not work. For example, if I was to move into a home that the previous owners had a cat I would still be sick because it is now part of the environment even though the cat is gone. The only way to make it go away would be to remove all the carpets and clean all the duct work. An even better analogy would be someone who is allergic to pollen, it is in the air and you are breathing it in this is much the same way as dander is in the air from a cat/dog. This is also the reason that some people are more allergic to specific breeds of dogs, they produce different dander.

I hope this explained the questions about allergies and pets.:)
I already knew all of that, I said what I did because someone made it sound like he actually had contact with the cat, when he didn't.
I do remember a lady on here awhile back that was so upset, as she bought a yorkie, thinking her son wouldn't be allergic to it, and he was, so she had to rehome the yorkie, I just remember her being so upset over the whole thing as she loved that little dog(and it was a pretty little thing too):(

Dara311 12-22-2008 09:10 AM
Im all for bringing your dog with you, if its the right store! HOwever, I would tell you that if your puppy is not fully vaccinated bring it with you, if your going to lets say a pet store, if you do, make sure you hold the puppy, rather than putting it on the floor or in a cart! Thats all i gotta say about that!!!! :D

browniesmom622 12-22-2008 09:23 AM
Living in New york You are pretty much allowed to bring your dog anywhere Most food places don't even say anything as long as the dog is in a stroller or bag.
I bring my Chihuahua Everywhere in his stroller expect places like shoprite.
Clothes places kmart etc places like that.
Funny thing is i have never brought my dogs to petsmart. I always keep them home, There are to many dogs in & out of there Who knows what that have so my boys stay Home.
Esp. since my Petsmart has a vet inside So sick dogs are there too.

I dont see anything wrong with bringing your dog shopping as long as the store allows it But again living in new york There are dogs everywhere. I run into several while i'm out in bags.

Btw let's keep this thread civil!

Lovetodream88 12-22-2008 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2384830)
The cat wasn't touching anyone either. She was locked in one of the bedrooms, but, as soon as my uncle walked in the door, he knew as soon as he walked in the cat was in there
Yeah but hadn't the cat been walking around the house before that? I am badly allergic to cats and everyone on my dads side of the family has at least two and even when they lock them in a room I still have a really bad allergic reaction.

Lovetodream88 12-22-2008 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2384834)
LOL My uncle didn't have a chance to even touch the stairs, he barely got through the door:confused:
Well u didnt say that so........... I just think if your dog is in a completley inclosed (of course with the some of the netting for air) carrier, its going to keep there hair and dander in the carrier.

Lovetodream88 12-22-2008 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2385119)
I already knew all of that, I said what I did because someone made it sound like he actually had contact with the cat, when he didn't.
I do remember a lady on here awhile back that was so upset, as she bought a yorkie, thinking her son wouldn't be allergic to it, and he was, so she had to rehome the yorkie, I just remember her being so upset over the whole thing as she loved that little dog(and it was a pretty little thing too):(
No I said he had contact with things that the cat had touched not with the cat itself.

nneessaa 12-22-2008 09:48 AM
Everyone has good points here. If a Yorkie is allowed, why not a Great Dane? People would say, why is their dog allowed, but not mine? I definitely can see if everyone allowed their misbehaving dogs in the store how chaotic it would be.

Also, regarding the cat, just because it is in a different room does not mean the hair, smell, and dander isn't everywhere else in the house. Our aunt is allergic to cats and we put our cat in the garage when she comes, but it doesn't help obviously because the cat was still in our house before. Vacuuming doesn't help either, it just stirs it up into the air. Unless you got your entire house cleaned top to bottom and locked the cat up a week before and did a cleaning everyday to get the smell out of everywhere but that ONE room, I don't think locking up the cat would help.

BamaFan121s 12-22-2008 09:49 AM
On another note, unless it is a pet supply store or some store that caters to pets, I cannot fathom why any establishment would take the risk and allow pets in. That would put a huge liability on their heads and I just don't see why they would be willing to take the chance.

jdonica 12-22-2008 10:06 AM
I like to take Harley places with me also. Alot of times he is in his carrier and people never even know that he is there. The are only a few places where I will take him in and let him down or even in the shopping cart. I did get asked to leave a WalMart once because of Harley, and he was in his carrier. It was actually kinda funny, the greeter at the door asked me, "Ma'am, is that a service dog?" I tried not to laugh and wondered if I had said yes what she would have said. Since I am not a regular WalMart shopper I didn't notice that there was a sign on the door. I try to pay more attention to the signs now.

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork

dianethomas 12-22-2008 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cocoangel (Post 2384448)
One day I made a quick stop at Target with my little girl (in my tote bag) and a sales person informed me that I would have to leave because I violated the health code.....:rolleyes:
Same thing happened to me, but at Wal-Mart.

dianethomas 12-22-2008 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dianethomas (Post 2385279)
Same thing happened to me, but at Wal-Mart.
Funny thing is, though, when I had to take Zaccheus with me everywhere I went, when he had to be fed every hour or two, nobody even knew he was there. :D
Consequently, he went to the mall, Wal-Mart, Kroger, the movies, etc...

JoeyP 12-22-2008 11:07 AM
Live in an area that is EXTREMELY dog friendly
we have an open air shopping area that has many many dogs
walking wiith their owners
sitting with them while they eat dinner at out door restaurants
but not all places are going to be friendly
esp if your dog is walking on a leash instead of being held

One thing .... if you bring your dog any place
You need to know that you are responsible for his behavior
No one wants to hear a barky dog
or have to pull their child away from a dog who is lunging at them
no matter how cute he is

QuickSilver 12-22-2008 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2385194)
On another note, unless it is a pet supply store or some store that caters to pets, I cannot fathom why any establishment would take the risk and allow pets in. That would put a huge liability on their heads and I just don't see why they would be willing to take the chance.
It really depends on the location. As others have mentioned, most establishments in Manhattan allow dogs. I think it's just part of the culture, and given how little space everyone has, small dogs are very popular. If you are wealthy enough, I'm sure you could take your yorkie into Tiffany's and no one would bat an eye.

People are generally pretty chill about it in San Francisco as well, though it's not like New York. A lot of stores near parks will have dog water bowls and biscuits at the ready. They want people to buy things in their stores, and they're not going to let people's dogs get in the way.

I've been thinking more about it and I'm not sure why I think some places are okay and some are not... for instance, I would never take Thor into a shoe store, because he'd be eye-level with some of the shoes, and I'd be too worried he'd pee or chew on one. Starbucks on the other hand, everything is enclosed, and usually at least one or two people come up to play with him.

As for big dogs versus little dogs, I honestly think that's why many places require you to carry your dog. Not because they really want you to carry your dog, but because it imposes a size limit. I'd love to see someone come in with a Husky on his back though. ;)

chloesMama 12-22-2008 11:14 AM
When we were Halloween camping ( pets were welcomed) they had a hayride and I had a feeling they weren't going to let me on with Chloe. I had no problem staying back and waiting if they didn't allow her ( no signs were posted at the ride) .Sure enough when it was our turn he said, "I'm sorry but that cute lil one can't come " EVERYONE , not only the ones in out party, wanted her to be able to come (they all loved her :)) but I stayed back. I didn't mind. He felt bad for having to ask me but I understood and was fine with it. If I could then he would have to let everyone regardless. So I can see from a stores point of view ...saying NO DOGS simply cuts out the issue of which can and which can't ( aside from Service dogs) . But if I don't see a sign.I will still try and just see what happens ;)

phfgkl 12-22-2008 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 2385177)
No I said he had contact with things that the cat had touched not with the cat itself.
Thats what I'm saying. He didn't have contact with things the cat had touched. The cat got there about an hour before my uncle, my uncle walked in the front door, and that's all it took

BamaFan121s 12-22-2008 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2385293)
It really depends on the location.
I think you misunderstood my point. I can't understand why any establishment would allow it due to liability reasons...location has nothing to do with that. I'm fully aware that the commoness of it varies geographically, but that wasn't what I meant. :)

Reinell 12-22-2008 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tmatherly (Post 2384451)
I think dogs should be allowed if they are contained...either in a carrier or stroller. Apparently an opinion not shared by most stores! I was so mad about the fall craft fairs (which are outdoor events) that had signs that said "no dogs allowed". It was one of the few activities that I had fun doing with my dogs and they are always well behaved in these situations.

I pointed out to one of the organizers of the craft fair that my dogs are cleaner than most of the kids running around here and certainly didn't touch the merchandise!
Totally agree. Stinky homeless people with lord-knows-what (lice, etc.) can also enter stores with food - which I find unappealing.

I always take my dog in a carrier in stores or carry him with me (do not take him into restaurants/grocery stores) - I never walk him on a leash in stores. This makes him easier to control and also less-conspicuoius.

QuickSilver 12-22-2008 11:53 AM
No, I just meant that if a lot of people have their dogs with them, a store is going to miss out on sales with a no-dogs policy.

celstu1 12-22-2008 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bhikku (Post 2384897)
I personally am not crazy about dogs in stores other than pet-based stores like Petsmart. Petsmart has pet cleanup stations to sanitize any area where a pet might have an accident. Other stores don't, and I don't trust some dog owners to clean up after their pets the way they should.

I don't want to be shopping around in a place which is covered with trace amounts of urine and feces. *shrug*

That being said, I enjoy taking Ollie to Petsmart where he can be around other dogs and a variety of people in a controlled environment. But every time I bring him in, no matter how recently he has been taken out, it seems like he always poops as soon as we get in the door. It's a nervous reaction or something. Very embarrassing...
I feel like you, and my fletcher does what your Ollie does. The second I get him anywhere he poops. It must be nerves or something, but whatever it is, I don't want him doing that in a grocery store, mall or any other store!

I take my dogs to a lot of places with me, but not stores unless they are pet stores. I take my dogs to the drive in movies, people's houses, car dealership when I have service done, outdoor ice cream stands, the beach, most recently a hotel in Boston that was pet friendly. I want them to be with me, but I know they cannot always be with me. I wish i could take them to work with me!

If my grocery store started allowing pets in it, I'd have to find a new store. I LOVE animals, but not all are clean and well kept, A food store is one place that should not allow pets at all.

My friend is HIGHLY allergic to my boys. Shes a mess within 5 mins of stepping into my house/car anywhere they have been. Also I have an aunt deathly afraid of dogs. I know fear like that. Im afraid of heights. But I do not have to climb ladders to get into stores and such. Fear is real and a person should be able food shop, eat at a restaurant in peace without being in fear of a dog in there. Society as a whole, people need to come before dogs, even though most of us like our dogs more than some people! LOL


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