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[BamaFan121s]

What I don't understand is, why suddenly does the YTCA seem to be the scapegoat for everything? Seems like lately whenever someone's breeding tactics are questioned or some practice is deemed unethical....it ends up getting twisted and misconstrued and then the next thing you know--BAM! It's all because of the YTCA and something they did!

I don't get it...!?

Why not blame El Nino for some of this crap...it would make about as much sense.....

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Thanks for your support (and I think that is what you are doing)....But, being a big girl and around for a long time, I do have my ducks lined up and ready. And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way....just that when I speak, I speak for myself and won't be angered or intimidated

Wish I had your will power about not getting angry LOL! Just ticks me off when someone risks the life of this beloved breed. LOL

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Thanks for your support (and I think that is what you are doing)....But, being a big girl and around for a long time, I do have my ducks lined up and ready. And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way....just that when I speak, I speak for myself and won't be angered or intimidated

I know you are a big girl and can handle yourself. I just think at some point people have to make their own decisions on what they feel is reputable. No one can answer that for them. Nothing is black and white in the dog world, that is for sure.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Nothing is black and white in the dog world, that is for sure.

Yeah-huh. Dalmations.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

What I don't understand is, why suddenly does the YTCA seem to be the scapegoat for everything? Seems like lately whenever someone's breeding tactics are questioned or some practice is deemed unethical....it ends up getting twisted and misconstrued and then the next thing you know--BAM! It's all because of the YTCA and something they did!

I don't get it...!?

Why not blame El Nino for some of this crap...it would make about as much sense.....

One only has to read between the lines that it's all about justification and attempting to fool the unsuspecting public.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I know you are a big girl and can handle yourself. I just think at some point people have to make their own decisions on what they feel is reputable. No one can answer that for them. Nothing is black and white in the dog world, that is for sure.

You are so right....we all have to look at ourselves in the mirror.....and must remember these little creatures were placed in our hands for safe keeping

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Wish I had your will power about not getting angry LOL! Just ticks me off when someone risks the life of this beloved breed. LOL

Me too, Donna. The only reason I haven't posted is because I was so angry I wouldn't allow myself to type. Didn't want to say anything I "wouldn't" regret...lol I think everyone can see where this is coming from and just consider the source. We all know who the reputable, ethical breeders and show breeders are and the passion each share about doing things the correct way to protect this beautiful breed.

[MorkieAZ]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yeah-huh. Dalmations.

Way to lighten it up Misty! LOL

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yeah-huh. Dalmations.

I want a black one with white spots, Misty.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

I want a black one with white spots, Misty.

Sorry, that would be a Designer Dalmation...you'd have to sell an internal organ on the black market to afford one.

[Mardelin]

If you recall...when 101 Dalmations came out....how popular that breed became......and so many ended up in rescue.....This was why I cringed when the Yorkie became the # 2 breed in the country.

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You are so right....we all have to look at ourselves in the mirror.....and must remember these little creatures were placed in our hands for safe keeping

I've only read the last half of this thread, but this statement stands out. It is sooo true. These are living, breathing little creatures.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

If you recall...when 101 Dalmations came out....how popular that breed became......and so many ended up in rescue.....This was why I cringed when the Yorkie became the # 2 breed in the country.

Yep...I'm sure they lost popularity because the YTCA somehow managed to undermine Disney.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

Again I'm not asking ABOUT YOU

How do you explain this?????

If Show breeders don't breed for tinies how can this reputable show breeder guarantee under 3 lbs for 3500.00????????
http://rondelkennels.com/nursery.html

So are you saying this breeder is not reputable????

The only way this breeder can guarantee this is if the dog is already mature when it is sold. This is the only time I will sell my tinies, after they are grown and I am sure they are healthy and I find a home that measures up to the standards I require when I have a tiny, which thankfully, is not very often. But, by the time I sell it I CAN guarantee the size of it. Do you know how old they are when this breeder sells them??????

[blondie57]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

NO what I clearly stated breeding the structure down is NOT building a pure desirable foundation, nor breeding for the betterment of a breed!

You might want to invest in the DVD "the puppy puzzle" it is not breed specific it is universal.....proper STRUCTURE does not exsist if you are BREEDING down a breed no matter what the kind of animal it is.

Originally Posted by feminvstr

The Yorkshire Terrier doesn’t look like a product of the working class, nor does it look like a ratter, but it is both. In fact, the Yorkshire area of England is known for producing fine animals, and it is thought that the Yorkie was no accident but rather the result of purposeful crosses between a variety of terriers, probably including the Waterside Terrier, Clydesdale Terrier, Paisley Terrier, rough-coated English Black and Tan Terrier, and perhaps even the Skye Terrier, Dandie Dinmont Terrier, and Maltese. The Waterside Terrier was one of its major progenitors; these were small blue-gray dogs with fairly long hair, usually weighing around 10 pounds, brought from Scotland by weavers. Because of its modest roots, the Yorkshire Terrier was initially looked down upon by the wealthier dog fanciers. Even the most snobbish could not deny the breed’s obvious beauty, however, and in short order, Yorkies were gracing show rings and the laps of wealthy mistresses. By 1880, Yorkies had come to America, but the breed varied so much in size that there was great confusion concerning how big a Yorkshire Terrier should be. Many of these early Yorkies weighed between 12 and 14 pounds. By 1900, fanciers on both sides of the Atlantic had decided that the small size was preferable and made a concerted effort to breed a smaller Yorkie with even longer coat. They were successful, and the modern Yorkshire Terrier is one of the smaller and most luxuriously coated dogs in existence. These traits, along with its terrier heritage, have placed it as a consistent favorite with pet owners and show fanciers alike.

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Compact and well-proportioned stature: Size and body structure matter. The breed standard stipulates that Yorkies must not be over 7 pounds and, on average, adult Yorkies fall between a petite 5–7 pounds. (Remember, however, that some Yorkies are smaller and some are larger.) In terms of body structure, everything should be in proportion and just, well, fit.

Boy I am just really confused. You state that breeding the structure down is NOT building a pure desirable foundation, nor breeding for the betterment of a breed!

Then you state that Yorkies were10-12 lbs. and By 1900, fanciers on both sides of the Atlantic had decided that the small size was preferable and made a concerted effort to breed a smaller Yorkie with even longer coat.

I am sorry but you can't have it both ways.

And when you use quotes make sure who ever you quote knows what they are talking about. The breed standard stipulates that Yorkies must not be over 7 pounds and, on average, adult Yorkies fall between a petite 5–7 pounds.

The Breed Standard is

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.