Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 2750627)

First of all I never set a dog up to lunge at me. Way I train is not to have a dog repeat and there for ingrain a behavior.
He set that boy up to fail and he is choking. That is gasping for air.
He is fighting cause he is choking.

Ton of lip licks and a ton of blinks.
As for the kick not needed if he not set him up of fail.

That was him trying to save him self and keep alive and on the ground is whipped puppy that had given up.

JL

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2750748)

Okay, back for more scrapping.

Read a little on CAT, looks interesting. It actually looks like the "gypsy horse break" thing I was talking about before.

Watched the husky vid with Cesar. I think that's past my abilities to analyze. I do see that the husky did not turn on Cesar until Cesar kicked / tapped / nudged / sprinkled the dog with fairy foot dust :rolleyes:. Why not use a gentler technique and save yourself the cost of a new shirt? It's also well known that dogs often get more aggressive when they feel restrained (like, if you have a leash tied up behind your ears). I have made that mistake myself. I was walking a dog-aggressive boxer, and these people with their dog ran up to greet me and tell me how beautiful she was. My error, I should have warned them away, but I wasn't quick enough, and I pulled the boxer's leash tightly to keep him under control. That prompted him to snap at the other dog. I felt awful, hopefully lesson learned for me.

My guess is that Cesar wished he put a muzzle on the dog. I'm also guessing that another trainer would put much less pressure on a dog to begin with. VS generally starts by walking the aggressive dog well behind a calm one, and gradually letting the dog sniff the front dog's butt. Then maybe they start walking side by side, but 50 feet apart. If the dog begins to aggress, she takes a time out. Gradually, the dogs get closer and closer, until the dog can tolerate face to face contact.

Originally Posted by YorkieMother (Post 2750627)

First of all I never set a dog up to lunge at me. Way I train is not to have a dog repeat and there for ingrain a behavior.
He set that boy up to fail and he is choking. That is gasping for air.
He is fighting cause he is choking.

Ton of lip licks and a ton of blinks.
As for the kick not needed if he not set him up of fail.

That was him trying to save him self and keep alive and on the ground is whipped puppy that had given up.

JL

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2750758)

Misc thought: I understand the pleasure of the power walk. I started out walking Thor this way, and I've devolved back to relaxed, sniff what you want walk (though I do not let him walk in front of me. I don't believe it means he's alpha, but it does mean he isn't paying attention to me). I want to get ready to formally teach him the Heel command. Anyway, it used to crack me up looking at him on a Power Walk, because he really looked all business. Put a little suit and cell phone on him, and he could have running late to close a million dollar deal.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2750924)

LOL, so true. I can see little Thor now. You should buy him a suit - that'd be great. ;)

And I usually let Jackson wander off at some point in the walk as well. I think it's only fair. He does so great walking that I like to let him sniff what he wants, mark whatever trees he wants, and then we'll go back to me being in control for the last part of the walk. Generally, I like to start and end the walk that way.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2750938)

Cesar has let up a little on the not allowing the dog to walk in front, he has instructed people to let the dog investigate for a while.

I think Cesar is learning and and adjusting his method all along.

No trainer knows it all and there is always more to learn.

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom (Post 2751041)

Oh, and I know a really sad story about a golden retriever. He was a sweet dog. He was a huge retriever. He was turned into a local shelter because he had bitten his owner's hand. The doc at the emergency room said it was the worst dog bite he had ever seen.

The dog was taken in by a no-kill shelter and sent to live with a local trainer who uses only positive methods and who has had a ton of success with rehabilitating dogs. After 6 months, he attacked and bit her. He's since been put down.:(

I'm not saying another trainer might have had different results. But, I'm saying I think there is room to believe that no one method or type of training is perfect.

jmo

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom (Post 2751033)

I love Cesar. I also like Victoria. I struggle enough with my two angels, I think anyone who is able to work with difficult dogs and their owners and turn a miserable situation into a pleasant one must be doing something right. Even if their methods disagree. There is more than one way to skin...:eek:;)

That being said, I watched the video of Cesar with the husky several times and I saw the little tap Cesar gave the dog on his hind quarters. It was a little tap. I'm sorry, I just can't see that as abusive. The rest of the time, Cesar remained incredibly calm, I gotta tell you if that dog were coming at me like that, I'd be on the floor in a fetal position.;):D So, maybe, if nothing else, watching Cesar is teaching me to approach mine and other animals calmly, no matter what. How can that be a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom (Post 2751041)

Oh, and I know a really sad story about a golden retriever. He was a sweet dog. He was a huge retriever. He was turned into a local shelter because he had bitten his owner's hand. The doc at the emergency room said it was the worst dog bite he had ever seen.

The dog was taken in by a no-kill shelter and sent to live with a local trainer who uses only positive methods and who has had a ton of success with rehabilitating dogs. After 6 months, he attacked and bit her. He's since been put down.:(

I'm not saying another trainer might have had different results. But, I'm saying I think there is room to believe that no one method or type of training is perfect.

jmo