Great Breeder who cares

[lisatodd]

Originally Posted by patsdoghouse

From what I understand the Monthly specials are something someone created when they did her site. I told her I thought Featured Pup would be better. I have been to her kennel and it's not a puppy mill. The dogs get out and run, its clean, and AKC comes there regularly to check her kennel. She has never sold a dog to any petshop, etc... This woman works hard and really loves those dogs and they love her.

Puppy Mills go check one out in Pennsylvania and then you will know what one is.

i do know this. if akc comes to her kennel regularly, then she has had some complaints. they normally don't visit a kennel regularly unless there has been some complaints or her paper work is not in order. if everything is in order, they will not visit or have a reason to visit.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

I am glad that you had a great experience and welcome to YT. It is always good to hear about someones experience when buying a dog whether good or bad. I would be careful of using the word "Puppymill" unless you know for a fact that is it one. There are certainly things I see that are red flags that would make me not want to purchase from here, but I dont know anything about the place other than what it says on the website. I think in general breeders are frowned upon that breed numerous breeds. She doesnt have a huge amount of dogs for sale on the site but it also says "these are some of the puppies I have for sale and if you dont see something you like, I have others for sale that you might like instead" or something to that effect. Makes me wonder why she doesnt post all of them that are for sale unless there are just too many. One thing that does bother me is people that sell Yorkies and dont even bother to shave the hair off of the ears so the ears have a chance to stand. I just dont see why they wouldnt take the time and effort into doing something so simple so the customer can purchase a Yorkie with standing ears??????

[cutiepieyorkies]

i agree about the ears and i see things that would make me run
i am glad you had a good experience with this breeder but i do agree one breed for anyone is enough and it should show all the adult dogs breeding to give the public something to go on if looking to purchase a pup to be honest i was not impressed at all not trying to be negative just doesnt look like good quality yorkies to me anyway welcome to yt and i hope you make lot's of buddies on here

[yorkieK9trainer]

"From what I understand the Monthly specials are something someone created when they did her site. I told her I thought Featured Pup would be better. I have been to her kennel and it's not a puppy mill. The dogs get out and run, its clean, and AKC comes there regularly to check her kennel. She has never sold a dog to any petshop, etc... This woman works hard and really loves those dogs and they love her.

Puppy Mills go check one out in Pennsylvania and then you will know what one is."

-----------The word Puppy Mill has a negative connotation, as it should to a certain degree. It doesn't mean that the dogs are necc. of lesser quality or are ill though.
What it literally means are puppies that are being cranked out and typically included in the definition by association alone, there are three breeds or more being produced. And not all millers have to sell to pet stores for business. They do well enough standing alone and selling to the public like any other breeder. It's the ones that have say 5 breeders or more (especially when larger breeds are bred) that they have pups left over from their own sales and they go to auction or pet stores often times labeled as "from private breeders" which can loosely be used to label Puppy Mill breeders also. Further, AkC doesn't come to check quality of the dogs being produced so long as she can verify that the dogs listed in her breeding programs on paper match up to the dogs on the site. And that the whole breeding practise and living conditions are of a certain quality and safety. I know because I've stood through many, one just recently.

With that said, she is in fact a puppy mill.

It doesn't mean that she doesn't have nice dogs. It doesn't mean that they aren't healthy. What it does mean however, are all the things I just posted above.
She fits the description for one and that's why I posted as such. I used my words appropriately.

I'm glad she loves her dogs, that just one of many qualities a breeder *must* have. If I wanted to be rude as some may have thought I implied, I could've picked apart the quality of the dogs shown on the site, yet I didn't....so please, don't jump or get defensive just because I called a duck a duck (if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and looks like a duck, odds are...it's a duck).

Thanks ladies!
I hope everyone is doing well-
Leslie

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

i do know this. if akc comes to her kennel regularly, then she has had some complaints. they normally don't visit a kennel regularly unless there has been some complaints or her paper work is not in order. if everything is in order, they will not visit or have a reason to visit.

Another reason AKC visits you regularly is you have 10+ litters a year.

[patsdoghouse]

when a person loves dogs, they see if they can take care of them. She specialized in the two breeds and has the others to see if she can improve the breed. Just because she lists them doesn't mean she breeds them often.

With many people wanting hypoallengic dogs, Patsy told me she thought she could possibly breed them so people that wanted or needed that type of dog could get one and not at some outragious price.

There are other people there that help her, groom the dogs, feed and water, etc...and her vet she says is wonderful about seeing her if she needs to bring a dog in an emergency.

I talked to her last night, and she said she had a lady that bought a puppy, and now can not take it because of a landlord. She told the lady when she moves to contact her and she will make sure she gets a puppy she wants. Most breeders etc would have said sorry but no refunds you should have checked before purchasing.

I like the screen name, because I think Patsy is a hard worker, and cares about her dogs and puppies and does everything she can to make sure they are safe, healthy, and doesn't breed them just because they are able to be breed. How many people get dogs and don't breed them that have kennels? Or wait 3 years before doing so? Or ensure that there is not in breeding? She isn't a business woman, she is a woman that loves dogs. Those who help her run the "business side" maybe don't understand fully about marketing but if I can help someone else find the perfect dog through her then I want to because all my dogs are wonderful that I have gotten from her. I personnally think that her dogs are unique and would purchase from her before another breeder. If I didn't think her puppies were great I wouldn't be her number one fan

T

[patsdoghouse]

Post pictures of her parents on her website. She said she is going to. The lady that was running her site ran off with the password key etc...so its only been running again for a couple weeks.

She shaves the ears a bit, to help them stand saying the cartiledge needs a little help for the little ones.

AKC is suppose to regularly check breeders I thought. Each breed, a visit. For their own protection, and prestige they check paperwork to ensure a breeder is on top of paperwork, has clean kennels, etc...because they want to keep the AKC as the number one registry for dogs. 10 litters a year when she has a kennel isn't a lot so if AKC is coming out there because of that then they are doing their job.

As far as I know she gets people calling her because they call AKC and ask who was the breeder because they want to have another dog sired by the father etc...

I think she needs to concentrate on one or two breeds also. But I don't run her business.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

i do know this. if akc comes to her kennel regularly, then she has had some complaints. they normally don't visit a kennel regularly unless there has been some complaints or her paper work is not in order. if everything is in order, they will not visit or have a reason to visit.

Just so you know Lisa, AKC can come in on you if you have one litter a year and only have two breeding dogs. it can happen to anyone at anytime. Rules have changed. no complaints needed.

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by red98vett

http://patsdoghouse.net/

Vee, she has your infamous "add to cart" button.

Now to the OP, just a word of advice , there are a lot of red flags when looking at a this "breeder's" website. Being that your breeder breeds a lot of different dogs, it seems as though she may be in this business to make money, and not to better the breed. I'm NOT saying that's what she is doing, I'm saying that's how it seems. And many people here are set against pups living in that kind of environment. I'm not doubting that Pat is a nice person, but she doesn't run a business that most of us would considering using. Again, I'm NOT trying to be harsh to you. I'm just letting you know where everyone is coming from. And, we'd love to see pictures of your new baby!

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by patsdoghouse

when a person loves dogs, they see if they can take care of them. She specialized in the two breeds and has the others to see if she can improve the breed. Just because she lists them doesn't mean she breeds them often.

With many people wanting hypoallengic dogs, Patsy told me she thought she could possibly breed them so people that wanted or needed that type of dog could get one and not at some outragious price.

There are other people there that help her, groom the dogs, feed and water, etc...and her vet she says is wonderful about seeing her if she needs to bring a dog in an emergency.

I talked to her last night, and she said she had a lady that bought a puppy, and now can not take it because of a landlord. She told the lady when she moves to contact her and she will make sure she gets a puppy she wants. Most breeders etc would have said sorry but no refunds you should have checked before purchasing.

I like the screen name, because I think Patsy is a hard worker, and cares about her dogs and puppies and does everything she can to make sure they are safe, healthy, and doesn't breed them just because they are able to be breed. How many people get dogs and don't breed them that have kennels? Or wait 3 years before doing so? Or ensure that there is not in breeding? She isn't a business woman, she is a woman that loves dogs. Those who help her run the "business side" maybe don't understand fully about marketing but if I can help someone else find the perfect dog through her then I want to because all my dogs are wonderful that I have gotten from her. I personnally think that her dogs are unique and would purchase from her before another breeder. If I didn't think her puppies were great I wouldn't be her number one fan

T

Well on the surface they may sound like good excuses to breed and sell puppies for money. However, last time I checked there were many reputable breeders that already are breeding hypoallergenic purebreds and no not all will charge a huge price. You have to remember the price of buying a dog is only the beginning. There are Vet bills to consider should something go wrong and of course, a reputable breeder will screen a potential buyer and may not sell all enquirers for good reason and their will be non breeding stipulations as any reputable breeder will require.
I also have no idea how she would think 'breeding the other breeds occasionally to see if she can improve the breed' would ever possibly work. I know many reputable purebred show breeders breeding Poms, Silkies, Schnauzers that have been involved their individual breed only for more than 20 years to produce some pretty nice dogs that have improved their breed minimizing genetic problems just as those immersed in Yorkies.
I also take back any puppy I have sold anytime in its lifetime, return deposits if they back out before they get the puppy, etc. And many breeders feel as I do, if they don't want the pup or dog at this time, fine they don't have to take it and they should not be out the money. I want my dogs in homes that they can provide the best possible home for them. Timing could be wrong and that isn't a problem either, get in touch with me again when ready.

[yorkieK9trainer]

Lorraine,
If it's not about the money for you, I'm a show home that is looking for a new girl of size to show in Obedience!
(I'd like a puppy that you would guesstimate to be on the larger size of our standard)

ha ha..but, seriously......really. PM me sometime you've got a nice litter on the ground please. I'd be interested to see what breedings you're doin'.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Lorraine,
If it's not about the money for you, I'm a show home that is looking for a new girl of size to show in Obedience!
(I'd like a puppy that you would guesstimate to be on the larger size of our standard)

ha ha..but, seriously......really. PM me sometime you've got a nice litter on the ground please. I'd be interested to see what breedings you're doin'.

You can visit my website a little old now and needs redoing. That is in the process at the moment and not finished yet. I don't know if I can post my new one other than in my profile or whatever the heck it is called. The link for my old one is there at the moment
I never would ship and I am not interested in doing so now. I don't sell show dogs to any show breeders at all, not locally not anywhere. FOr anyone doing obedience I have to know you, you have to be local and you have to agree to go to the Obedience training with the trainers I work with.
I turned down a known Obedience person locally because I didn't like her attitude. Any dog I place I have to be able to sleep nights.
I have taken one of my own that was returned to me after seven months at about 18 months of age, to Obedience to regain his confidence. The person who had him, I thought I had made a good choice not knowing she wouldn't listen to anything I told her, sought the wrong poor training and darn near destroyed the little guy.
I did about 3 or 4 months of classes at my expense with awesome positive type training and a confident dog emerged and via referrals from someone I trust, he was rehomed to someone who adores him. With the refund I gave the first buyer and the money I spent to help this little dog and rehomed him for very little money as I know the people very well involved in finding this dog who were very good friends of the new owner . He is working out very well for them and for me that is the important part. His owner loves going through the exercises with him as I showed her how to do it and the little guy loves doing them.
I sold a pup at about 5 months, he will be 2 years old in September. The owner lives about an hour from me and I do mobile dog grooming in her area. She had a problem with him with an abcess taht would not heal. She tried a local Vet who was useless. I booked an appt with my Vet that I trust completely in the area I used to live a little over half an hour from her but not where I live now. I booked a Vaccination for one of my dogs as well.
The owner is not great with driving other than her own little community, so I drove to her place picked up her and her dog, drove us to the Vet, mine had his Vacc's and a little surgery for her dog to remove the cause of the abcess was required. The Vet kept him, I took her home, went on to do a grooming I had booked up the road from her, came back, her dog was ready so I drove us back to the Vet to pick up her dog and drove her back home.
I haven't figured out my mileage but I would guess at least a couple of 100 kilometers.
She gave me some gas money, the rest I did for the best for the dog and her so she isn't shelling out a bunch of money to some idiot Vet that has no idea what they are doing. My Vet knew right away the cause and the treatment required and was exactly what I had been told previously by another breeder what likely was going on as she had experienced it. He gave her an estimate for cost which came in at within $20 of what he quoted her.

[Mardelin]

Yeah! Lorraine,

You and so many breeder/exhibitors go the extra mile for your dogs. As I tell my new families when you obtain a dog from a reputable breeder, you aren't only buying a dog you are buying a relationship and mentor. Available to you 7x24.

Through unforseen circumstances I had to move from Texas to California. My families continue to either contact me by phone, e-mail or Instant Messenger...weekly, daily. Not only to keep me updated or ask advice, but to chit chat.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yeah! Lorraine,

You and so many breeder/exhibitors go the extra mile for your dogs. As I tell my new families when you obtain a dog from a reputable breeder, you aren't only buying a dog you are buying a relationship and mentor. Available to you 7x24.

Through unforseen circumstances I had to move from Texas to California. My families continue to either contact me by phone, e-mail or Instant Messenger...weekly, daily. Not only to keep me updated or ask advice, but to chit chat.

Yep and get pictures and they ask questions about problems, if i don't know I find out. I have moved around but still am relatively local. I do grooming trips to South Vancouver Island every couple of months for about 3 or 4 days to groom my dogs that are over there that they bought from me when I lived there. Some I sold to people there after I moved here because I knew I went there anyway. They had to come here to meet me and be interviewed or connect with me when I was on the Island before I agreed to a sale.
For those that bought dogs from me and then they had to relocate, I found vets and groomers local to them through my breeders lists as there is usually someone on the list living in the area.
In 2005 with the impending sale of our family home where I was living while looking after my Dad after my mother died and he died in 2004 followed closely by the untimely death of my brother, I got a call in early May 2005 from the husband of an owner of one of my dogs at that time 14 years old. His wife died and he couldn't manage Mitzie, he asked if I would take her back otherwise he would have to put her down. I couldn't go to the Island where she was as my Solo Mio was due to have puppies so I phoned a friend over there who collected her and had her flown home less than an hour flight. The little airline clerk knew my friend and considered it a mercy flight and charged less than half the fee and Mitzie was handled like a Queen to come home.
I let her settle for a couple of days took her to the Vet, teeth badly needed doing, her blood test wasn't the best but it had to be done. Almost $600 later with the tests, teethremoval, support during surgery, she came through it great. She lived a good life for 4 months and died of kidney failure. I had a private cremation and brought the ashes home.
I had sold her at 3 years old as she couldn't carry puppies for $300 already spayed. To determine the problem with carrying puppies, I was pretty green at the time and the Vet talked me into progesterone shots for her to hold the litter as she was reabsorbing them. I agreed to try it, she conceived, ended up with a C section, two pups born dead. I had her spayed. Tests, C section spay at that time would have added up to about 7 or 800 dollars.
I made how much?

[YORKIEMOM2B2006]

did anyone look at the dogs on the monthly specials page? scroll down to clyde tell me he dont look like a monkey..or am i really tired? lol