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04-23-2019, 08:15 AM | #1 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England
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| Beware Deb Sillers, Amazing Yorkies I'm terribly sorry to be resorting to this review, but I've exhausted all other avenues. I paid Deb $3000 nearly 2 years ago for a dog that has yet to materialize. She's given me one excuse and hard luck story after another and I can't deal with her any more. She was one of the few people in this business I thought was honest. This is a big disappointment.
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04-24-2019, 02:58 PM | #2 |
YT Featured Breeder Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon
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| You're absolutely right it's been a long time, and I'm sorry. The Company I hired to get me in compliance for the County here, failed to finish the permits for my dogs. Therefore I have only been allowed 6 dogs. In small litters and limited dogs, I am limited to what I have. Since you have Cruz, You know the quality I would want to send to you. I talked to you a few months ago, and told you of a female I would be watching. When I talked to you a few days ago, I told you she is about ready. My health is bad, money is tight, and I'm trying the best to please everyone. Like we discussed, I will put this baby up for sale, to refund you. I am sorry! |
04-25-2019, 03:23 AM | #3 |
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| Thank you, I appreciate your response here. Your return phone call came after I posted this review, otherwise I would have held back a bit longer. This was not the first time you said you had a puppy about ready to come to me, so I had doubts. I will post again after you've returned my money so everyone knows the situation has been rectified.
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04-25-2019, 03:47 AM | #4 |
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| Seeing this thread today over my first cup of coffee made me so sad. Necessary? I question that.
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04-27-2019, 04:20 AM | #5 |
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| I have had 24 hours to think on this and have decided to expound a bit. The main thing that bothered me with this thread was the word "beware". Usually, in these review threads, that word is reserved for reviews about the puppies a breeder is selling. Although, over the years, I have found that the reviews are not always totally accurate. I have seen breeders get rave reviews by people who like them but have very sick dogs....sick from conditions that are prevalent in yorkies that may not have specific genetic markers but clearly the same breeders continue to breed such dogs. Anyway.....that said, I have not seen any sick dogs from Deb Sillers. In saying this, I am not reviewing her breeding program ....I am just stating what I have noticed. This was a post by a breeder who is unhappy about the fact Deb owes her money. This breeder messaged me yesterday because she was unhappy with my post. This is what I told her and I stand by it. She has bred Deb Sillers dogs for many years, so clearly she doesn't think there is a problem with Deb's breeding. I checked her website and she does still have Cruz on there as one of her breeding stock ... he is Deb's dog and was the #6 Yorkshire Terrier in the US in 2012. Anyway....here is what I told her when she messaged me: ------ I stand by what I said. If you exhausted all avenues, I guess that means you had an attorney write to her? I get that you want your money and honestly she said she owes you.... But to say BEWARE? As an observer, I found that to be offensive. It is bad enough we are overrun by badly bred yorkies as it is...someone might see that thread and think she is a bad breeder. You got her attention...that is what you wanted right? I find it very sad it was posted the way it was. I happen to like Deb a lot.....and it has to do with her being a human being who really cares a lot about the breed. I have sent countless people to her when they had sick puppies and she is ALWAYS there to help. Matter of fact, I am going to post a story later today about how she helped me and a friend with a VERY sick puppy I took in. She spent hours on the phone with us into the night to save that puppy. So...there you have it. I found it highly offensive..not that you bitched about the money...I get it , you want your money...but your wording in that subject line SUCKED No other way to say it. ---------------- Deb clearly has had financial issues .... most people know that and know the hardships she has faced. All I can say is "until you have walked a mile in a person's shoes....." and believe me I know all about that stuff. I read something once that made a lot of sense.... "be careful how you treat people on the way down, because you might meet them on the way down". I believe there are two sides here ... I totally get that someone wants their money but they actually wrote to me and referred to it as "theft". No way do I believe Deb was out to "steal" from her. Deb has always been a kind hearted person and I know how much she loves the yorkie breed. She donated monthly (recurrent donations) to yorkie rescue for 6 straight years with extra donations in between and always thanked us for what we do for yorkies in need. As I said above she has helped countless puppies....many I saw on this forum and many I referred to her because I get contacted often and simply am not knowledgeable about breeding issues and the care of young, sickly puppies. That speaks volumes to me...she is NOT the only breeder I have reached out to for help...she is just THE most helpful one, always going above and beyond. I am going to post another thread about a foster puppy I have now that is alive partly because of Deb Sillers. I will do that later in another new thread. In closing, I do understand that Susan wants her money....and clearly Deb stepped up and accepted responsiblity for it. I am sure it will be resolved. Personally, I would have gone another route .. perhaps a legal avenue...but to post it here in a review thread? Not so sure about that. Kind of defeats the purpose in my mind...you want money but you want to make a breeder look bad to get it....does that help her sell puppies???? and in turn help you get reimbursed?? My reason for posting this is for the person who comes along looking for a puppy. Read this thread for what it is....avoid the word BEWARE when it comes to making a decision about purchasing a puppy. I don't ever vouch for any breeder but I also won't speak up for one I feel is selling sick and/or inferior puppies. My suggestion is to read this thread and understand it is a dispute between two breeders over MONEY owed...NOT over a problem related to breeding. If you go to the website of www.cloverhillyorkies.com you will find that she has at least one of Deb Sillers pups in her breeding program. Cruz is his name and his pedigree is there. Perspective.
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04-27-2019, 04:46 AM | #6 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England
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| I think anyone reading the post will know that "Beware" means beware of her poor business practices and does not reference her breeding practices at all. Do you know how much it costs to involve an attorney in a claim like this? I didn't dare ask. We live on opposite coasts and I think any reasonable person knows pursuing legal channels to recover the money would be wasteful. My aim here was to get her attention, and it did work, and to warn other prospective buyers that their money may be tied up a long time. Recall the customer who complained to me when she ignored their requests for information after they'd put a $750 on deposit with her. Under the law, she has no right to spend the money we send her until we have our puppies. If I lived near her, you can bet I'd have her in small claims court by now. I liked Deb a lot too, until her incessant sob stories became unbelievable. My life is no bed of roses either, but I don't prey on people with hard luck stories. All I wanted was to buy a dog and all I've gotten for 2 years is a promise that one would be coming. Like most people, I have to spend my money carefully. Regarding Cruz, what does that have to do with it? He is a very cute little dog I purchased from Deb a long time ago. That transaction went well. I sent her the money and she promptly sent me the dog. This complaint is about a completely different transaction. I sent the money and have listened to 2 years of excuses about why she can't send a puppy. Deb knows I'm wrapping up my breeding program due to health. When a puppy comes, if a puppy comes, it will be likely be sold at a loss since it is no longer useful to me for breeding. I certainly don't need another Yorkie as a pet!
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04-27-2019, 04:47 AM | #7 |
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| Too late to edit.....the saying mentioned in my fourth paragraph should have said "be careful how you treat people on the way up as you might meet them on the way down"
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04-27-2019, 04:53 AM | #8 | |
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My first post was about exhausting all avenues...if you didn't even ask how much a legal letter would cost, you answered my question. I also said this is sad. It is.
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04-27-2019, 05:33 AM | #9 | |
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Meanwhile I'm out a good amount of money that would be handy while I'd dealing with my own hardships. I think it's unreasonable of you to expect that I had some kind of responsibility to pay an attorney to write a letter that would have amounted to a bluff. I posted a review about my experience purchasing from Deb. In the past I have posted only great things about her, but this is a new reality. I think it would be better to leave this tread alone until the matter is favorably settled. Stirring the pot is not helping.
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04-27-2019, 05:41 AM | #10 | |
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I think this thread was ridiculous from the start. It was about the forum you used and your words...not the topic. NO ONE has said you are not entitled to your money. As to the legal letter, I only asked since you said you had "exhausted all avenues". Usually a paper trail is there....doesn't even have to be legal.
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04-29-2019, 03:21 AM | #11 |
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| We bought our yorkie from Deb nine years ago we drove to Missouri to pick her up. I feel this post of cutting Deb down is not right. It sounds like Deb is doing the best she can to resolve this issue. Would I buy another yorkie from Amazing Yorkies yes I would. She is a wonderful person and her puppies are healthy fur babies. You do not kick a good kind hearted honest person down when they are down over money or anything else. You know Deb will make it right! Susan |
04-29-2019, 04:46 AM | #12 |
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| I don't know Deb but have met a lot of YT members who bought her puppies and rave over the quality of her babies, all are so pleased and happy with Deb's healthy babies. Based on the good reviews I have seen from members that have purchased Debs puppies I have always recommended Deb when someone is looking to buy a healthy puppy. I see the title of BEWARE makes "me" think she is a bad breeder. This was not the place to air your grievance over money, don't shoot down a breeder that breds to better the bred, there are so few good, honest breeders out there now. Shame on you.
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04-29-2019, 05:46 AM | #13 |
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| Rave Review, Deb Sillers - Amazing Yorkies I bought one of Deb Siller's puppies 4 years ago and could not be happier. I have 3 Yorkies and this is the happiest, healthiest one of all. I can't say enough good things about this sweet little guy and the transaction I had with Deb. It saddens me to see this post because I know it will definitely impact Deb's reputation as a breeder and it should not. There are so very few good breeders available to those of us looking for excellent, quality Yorkies - to see one bashed in this way is awful. This is a breeding forum, not a business or financial forum. People come here looking for advice on breeders and see this review and naturally walk away with a bad taste in their mouth for Deb in general, when the exact opposite should be true. Unwarranted public shaming is hard to reverse and the damage has been done. I think there are so many other avenues that could have been explored to resolve this problem prior to this attempt to damage Deb's livelihood, and there is no other way to describe it. I would hope the OP has now seen the far reaching implications that her post has had, or might have, and will temper what she writes in the future. |
04-29-2019, 05:49 AM | #14 |
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| Hopefully my daughter's post will appear soon, but she said it has to be approved by the moderator first, so I thought I would post it in the meantime and I quote - Rave Review, Deb Sillers - Amazing Yorkies I bought one of Deb Siller's puppies 4 years ago and could not be happier. I have 3 Yorkies and this is the happiest, healthiest one of all. I can't say enough good things about this sweet little guy and the transaction I had with Deb. It saddens me to see this post because I know it will definitely impact Deb's reputation as a breeder and it should not. There are so very few good breeders available to those of us looking for excellent, quality Yorkies - to see one bashed in this way is awful. This is a breeding forum, not a business or financial forum. People come here looking for advice on breeders and see this review and naturally walk away with a bad taste in their mouth for Deb in general, when the exact opposite should be true. Unwarranted public shaming is hard to reverse and the damage has been done. I think there are so many other avenues that could have been explored to resolve this problem prior to this attempt to damage Deb's livelihood, and there is no other way to describe it. I would hope the OP has now seen the far reaching implications that her post has had, or might have, and will temper what she writes in the future. |
04-29-2019, 07:31 AM | #15 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: houston
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| Rave Review, Deb Sillers - Amazing Yorkies I bought one of Deb Siller's puppies 4 years ago and could not be happier. I have 3 Yorkies and this is the happiest, healthiest one of all. I can't say enough good things about this sweet little guy and the transaction I had with Deb. It saddens me to see this post because I know it will definitely impact Deb's reputation as a breeder and it should not. There are so very few good breeders available to those of us looking for excellent, quality Yorkies - to see one bashed in this way is awful. This is a breeding forum, not a business or financial forum. People come here looking for advice on breeders and see this review and naturally walk away with a bad taste in their mouth for Deb in general, when the exact opposite should be true. Unwarranted public shaming is hard to reverse and the damage has been done. I think there are so many other avenues that could have been explored to resolve this problem prior to this attempt to damage Deb's livelihood, and there is no other way to describe it. I would hope the OP has now seen the far reaching implications that her post has had, or might have, and will temper what she writes in the future. |
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