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Stormy · 01-27-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

Ok, enough said. I'm just gonna come right out and say it: I don't care what kind of ESTATE you have, how many acres of gardens, or how big your wooded area may be. All I care about is how you raise your babies and where you stand on ethics concerning these babies. She doesn't have alot of info about the yorkshire terrier in general on the site, which is now leading me to side with Irene on this issue. So you're rich, well good for you! But how do you stand up as a dedicated breeder? That's my only question at this point.

And I say all of this after looking at the entire site. Which isn't all that much. I read the front page in my previous post and didn't see a red flag. Ditto, Yorkierini.

Yes the Estate is beautiful as is the breeder/broker herself......nuff said.

Stormy · 01-27-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz

DITTO, but as i learned being on here for as long as i have there are always 2 sides to every story..

Well I would feel very responsible and guilty if I did not sound the warning..but I am not getting into any back and forth 2 sides of a story. Whomever is buying the puppy can either heed my warning or not....I did buy a puppy there.My experience is not an opinion it is a fact

Stormy · 01-27-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz

DITTO, but as i learned being on here for as long as i have there are always 2 sides to every story..

Well it could be a very costly lesson for the person who buys the puppy...it is not about opinions it is about facts from someone who has been there.
Forewarned is fore armed....take it or leave it i sure wish someone had warned me.

Stormy · 01-27-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lily's mom

Yikes!!!! Sounds like she should run the other way quickly!!!!

Well, I would have had I known then what I know now.

jesscruz · 01-27-2006, 07:27 PM

i was not trying to be mean, i was just simply saying that there are always 2 sides to EVERY story. everyone should know this with the way things have been going here in the last week. like you said you "warned" her but if she chooses to continue and checks her out for herself then that is her right to do so....

Stormy · 01-27-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz

i was not trying to be mean, i was just simply saying that there are always 2 sides to EVERY story. everyone should know this with the way things have been going here in the last week. like you said you "warned" her but if she chooses to continue and checks her out for herself then that is her right to do so....

Oh but of course she has every right to do so..however, she did post a question asking if anyone had ever bought a puppy from this place, since I did buy a puppy from her I felt responsible to warn her. I have no further interest in getting into a debate over this. She has been warned and the choice is hers to make.

yorkiemom1970 · 01-27-2006, 07:41 PM

I didn't see any debate?

All I saw was a bunch of us commenting and some sharing their experience.

jesscruz · 01-27-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormy

Oh but of course she has every right to do so..however, she did post a question asking if anyone had ever bought a puppy from this place, since I did buy a puppy from her I felt responsible to warn her. I have no further interest in getting into a debate over this. She has been warned and the choice is hers to make.

i was unaware that this was a "debate" seeing as all i said was that there are always 2 sides to every story, but anyway, like you said you warned her....

Stormy · 01-27-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

I didn't see any debate?

All I saw was a bunch of us commenting and some sharing their experience.

Anyone saying there are 2 sides to EVERY story, which there are, is initiating a debate.
I have no interest in bad mouthing anyone.If the person considering purchasing the puppy cares to PM me I will share the details of my experience.

jesscruz · 01-27-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormy

Anyone saying there are 2 sides to EVERY story, which there are, is initiating a debate.
I have no interest in bad mouthing anyone.If the person considering purchasing the puppy cares to PM me I will share the details of my experience.

how in the world is that initiating a debate?

anytime someone is discrediting another person there is always that other persons thoughts and views as to why it went wrong, i was not "initiating" any kind of debate...i was just stating the truth. wich is there are always 2 sides to every story geez...

yorkiemom1970 · 01-27-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormy

Anyone saying there are 2 sides to EVERY story, which there are, is initiating a debate.
I have no interest in bad mouthing anyone.If the person considering purchasing the puppy cares to PM me I will share the details of my experience.

There are 2 sides to every story, but doens't mean that any of us were seeking a debate for pete's sake. We never brought "bad mouthing" into this or had any intentions of doing THAT. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with this breeder, and I hope that it all worked out for you. And I appreciate your input on your experience with this kennel. Thanks.

YorkieRini · 01-27-2006, 07:52 PM

From my rough beginnings of getting into Yorkies. I've had conversations with MANY 'Breeders'. My guess was she was a broker too. She has it set up as other brokers aka breeders that sell for 'friends'.

Focus is puppies for sale, and all about how nice her house is and spa day..blah blah...She doesn't mention where the puppies come from. Just where she has them and where they live..that is something that that put's a flag up saying..find out more...call and ask the tough questions..

Can I see the parents?
If she's selling for a friend, ask to talk to the friend..that should't be a problem right? If it is..RUN!

Don't be so taken by the pretty pictures on website..that is such an easy way to take the focus off of the content of the site. And believe me, there are more people than you will imagine that jump on this bandwagon.

Thank you stormy for sharing! SO sorry you had this experience.

YorkieRini · 01-27-2006, 08:01 PM

Whoa..let's all focus on the positive here, we have more info than we did we we first look at it.

I Personally feel 2 sides thing can't always be applied. This is a perfect example. Her intentions of carefully omitting things on her site, put her in a category of a breeder I personally wouldn't want to talk to. I wouldnt believe a word she said..lololol..why hear her side. I would just move on.

Websites can provide a wonderful guide as for weeding out most of these unethical breeders. There are exceptions and variations of course. But her 'style' is the same as the others I know for fact are brokers.

I know emotions and hormones (for those that still have them..lolol.) are running high this week. Let's try to bring it down a notch (myself included)

Sorry if this sounds preachy...take if for what it's worth.

crystalsmom · 01-27-2006, 08:10 PM

When I look at a website, I know they can say anything they want. They
can give you twenty pages of ways to care for them to make themselves
look good. They can say, they guarantee and when you get there, nothing
is in writing and it isn't worth squat. They can post pictures that are not
even theres( we've just gone through that with puppyfind) They can show
you pedigrees that don't even belong to their dogs and promise you papers
that never come. It's the buyers job to do their homework and the ol saying
BUYER BEWARE never meant more than it does when buying a pet that will
be your companion for possibly 12 to 15 years. After Hollybelle, I believe
nothing unless I see it with my own eyes and would never ship. This gal
at Hollybelle had Villa Malta Maltese (the best line and the original) she
advertised in Dog World for 8 to 10 years with different well know people in
her ads . The one with Bill Ray Cyrus holding a Malese as if he bought it was
in there for years and she was shipping them out at 2000 a crack and that
was years ago. When people came to pick them up which I hear she tried
to hide from, she went to her x-husband's house with the puppy. She sent
everyone the same set of beautiful pictures and when she was arrested
people could not believe it was as bad as it was. They knew they had been
taken because so many had sick pups but they each thought they were the
only ones. Oh, yes in her ad she offered a five year guarantee on health(not
in writing) so she'd get sued and she didn't care because her poor dog were
popping out puppies as fast as they could. Sorry this is so long but I just
feel most people are way too trusting. Look how long it took to lock this
woman up and two of her four x husbands are breeding with some of her
dogs now. http://www.hollybellemaltese.com/index2.html

Stormy · 01-27-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRini

From my rough beginnings of getting into Yorkies. I've had conversations with MANY 'Breeders'. My guess was she was a broker too. She has it set up as other brokers aka breeders that sell for 'friends'.

Focus is puppies for sale, and all about how nice her house is and spa day..blah blah...She doesn't mention where the puppies come from. Just where she has them and where they live..that is something that that put's a flag up saying..find out more...call and ask the tough questions..

Can I see the parents?
If she's selling for a friend, ask to talk to the friend..that should't be a problem right? If it is..RUN!

Don't be so taken by the pretty pictures on website..that is such an easy way to take the focus off of the content of the site. And believe me, there are more people than you will imagine that jump on this bandwagon.

Thank you stormy for sharing! SO sorry you had this experience.

WOW...you are very astute, Rini...she indeed was a broker....perhaps has changed and perhaps is rehabilitated.....but meanwhile I am the one that knows the facts, and there are NOT 2 sides to this story,since I am the one who bought the puppy from her and that was the question I answered.
I do resent being attacked because I tried to warn the girl who was considering spending all of her hard earned dollars. My problem had nothing to do with the cost of the puppy.Sigh....nuff said...at least on my side.

01-27-2006, 07:27 PM	#35
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,763	i was not trying to be mean, i was just simply saying that there are always 2 sides to EVERY story. everyone should know this with the way things have been going here in the last week. like you said you "warned" her but if she chooses to continue and checks her out for herself then that is her right to do so.... __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear

01-27-2006, 07:52 PM	#42
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	From my rough beginnings of getting into Yorkies. I've had conversations with MANY 'Breeders'. My guess was she was a broker too. She has it set up as other brokers aka breeders that sell for 'friends'. Focus is puppies for sale, and all about how nice her house is and spa day..blah blah...She doesn't mention where the puppies come from. Just where she has them and where they live..that is something that that put's a flag up saying..find out more...call and ask the tough questions.. Can I see the parents? If she's selling for a friend, ask to talk to the friend..that should't be a problem right? If it is..RUN! Don't be so taken by the pretty pictures on website..that is such an easy way to take the focus off of the content of the site. And believe me, there are more people than you will imagine that jump on this bandwagon. Thank you stormy for sharing! SO sorry you had this experience. Last edited by YorkieRini; 01-27-2006 at 07:54 PM.

01-27-2006, 08:10 PM	#44
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	I'm from Chicago and I don't trust easily When I look at a website, I know they can say anything they want. They can give you twenty pages of ways to care for them to make themselves look good. They can say, they guarantee and when you get there, nothing is in writing and it isn't worth squat. They can post pictures that are not even theres( we've just gone through that with puppyfind) They can show you pedigrees that don't even belong to their dogs and promise you papers that never come. It's the buyers job to do their homework and the ol saying BUYER BEWARE never meant more than it does when buying a pet that will be your companion for possibly 12 to 15 years. After Hollybelle, I believe nothing unless I see it with my own eyes and would never ship. This gal at Hollybelle had Villa Malta Maltese (the best line and the original) she advertised in Dog World for 8 to 10 years with different well know people in her ads . The one with Bill Ray Cyrus holding a Malese as if he bought it was in there for years and she was shipping them out at 2000 a crack and that was years ago. When people came to pick them up which I hear she tried to hide from, she went to her x-husband's house with the puppy. She sent everyone the same set of beautiful pictures and when she was arrested people could not believe it was as bad as it was. They knew they had been taken because so many had sick pups but they each thought they were the only ones. Oh, yes in her ad she offered a five year guarantee on health(not in writing) so she'd get sued and she didn't care because her poor dog were popping out puppies as fast as they could. Sorry this is so long but I just feel most people are way too trusting. Look how long it took to lock this woman up and two of her four x husbands are breeding with some of her dogs now. http://www.hollybellemaltese.com/index2.html __________________

01-27-2006, 07:41 PM	#37
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	I didn't see any debate? All I saw was a bunch of us commenting and some sharing their experience.

01-27-2006, 08:01 PM	#43
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	Whoa..let's all focus on the positive here, we have more info than we did we we first look at it. I Personally feel 2 sides thing can't always be applied. This is a perfect example. Her intentions of carefully omitting things on her site, put her in a category of a breeder I personally wouldn't want to talk to. I wouldnt believe a word she said..lololol..why hear her side. I would just move on. Websites can provide a wonderful guide as for weeding out most of these unethical breeders. There are exceptions and variations of course. But her 'style' is the same as the others I know for fact are brokers. I know emotions and hormones (for those that still have them..lolol.) are running high this week. Let's try to bring it down a notch (myself included) Sorry if this sounds preachy...take if for what it's worth.