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capt_noonie 06-12-2010 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3160814)
Sadly, about 8 years ago I lost a couple of puppies when two moms got in a fight over the puppies. In your case, I don't know if the momma of the pups that were killed was present when her pups were killed but in the case of mine getting killed, both momma bitches were present. I never heard anything after I stepped out of the room but I came back to two dead pups with puncture wounds. What happens is that one momma will want the other mommas pups and when one momma picks up the other mommas pups and tries to carry them away the momma naturally will try to grab the puppy out of the mouth of the other momma. It does not necessarily mean that one is a killer unless you know the one that killed the pups was alone with them when the incident happened. I know a lady that witnessed two poms pull a baby apart when one tried to steal a pup from the other. It is very sad but it does happen. When it happened to me the pups were nearly two weeks old and I had been rearranging the pens and I stepped out for just a minute to get something and I forgot to close the pens up. I was mad, angry and heart broken but I could not blame the mommas, it was my fault. Since then I take many precautions to make sure it does not happen again.

There are so many things that can happen with these little babies and sadly, sometimes lessons are learned the hard way. I know you feel like you are getting picked on but in reality, people are just trying to stress to you that it is our responsibility to do all we can to protect our mommas and their babies. Perhaps someone new to breeding will read this thread and learn from it so they won't make the same mistake we did. Tragedy can strike in a heartbeat so we all need to be prepared and think ahead. I am glad your momma's babies are doing well and I do pray that the momma will be okay.
The momma of the pups who were killed was outside pottying when the other momma killed them, so she knows for sure who did it, and it was the 2nd time it happened!

Also out of a litter of 8 only one survives so far. I think I know why the OP is so upset, this was not a *profitable* undertaking this time around. I feel so sorry for her dogs.

bjh 06-12-2010 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3160885)
The momma of the pups who were killed was outside pottying when the other momma killed them, so she knows for sure who did it, and it was the 2nd time it happened!

Also out of a litter of 8 only one survives so far. I think I know why the OP is so upset, this was not a *profitable* undertaking this time around. I feel so sorry for her dogs.
If you reread the original post where she explained what happened it sounded to me like the momma of the litter that had the pups that were killed went back upstairs. The op went upstair afterwords and found the pups dead. It very well could be that Stella, who had had the c-section was just trying to steal the other mommas pups. It think it is pretty cruel of you to say that the OP is only upset because she will not 'profit' because the pups died. We all make mistakes. This could happen to anyone who breeds dogs and lets their guard down, whether they are experienced or not. Good grief, I have lost entire litters before because they delivered to early and I know the pain and it is not about money.

Woogie Man 06-12-2010 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3160942)
I think it is pretty cruel of you to say that the OP is only upset because she will not 'profit' because the pups died. We all make mistakes. This could happen to anyone who breeds dogs and lets their guard down, whether they are experienced or not. Good grief, I have lost entire litters before because they delivered to early and I know the pain and it is not about money.
I agree with you, Barb. Regardless of the circumstances, I'm sure the OP is distressed and heartbroken over this. It is very callous to suggest that money is the reason for her being upset. She still has a very sick girl to care for. Let's not throw salt on the wounds.

manolos mom 06-12-2010 02:38 PM
Sorry to say,I have been waiting for Shasha to come on and tell us that Stella died. When Lola was dying I went to 3 different vets and specialist. I fought for my baby. I think this breeder wants our sympathy. She is not going to get it from me. Only poor Stella who has been bred to death and may not make it. If I were this breeder I would be running from vet to vet until someone could help save Stella not posting on YT for Sympathy. Sorry, I have no Sympathy for this poster.

Mardelin 06-12-2010 03:18 PM
You are right it was Stella that killed the pups; not the first time it happened. It would only have to happen once to me and the girl would never be bred again. Definately temperament issues. But, that being said, and it was decided to breed the girl, then every precaution should have been taken.

Profit may not be the issue, but breeding several girls at one time applifies the responsibility and vigilance.

Shasha 06-12-2010 06:19 PM
Rip stella
 
... its 3.15am and Stella passed away 10mins ago as i was getting her ready to go to Emergency Vets as her breathing took a turn for the worse.....i never want to see a dog to go through the last 30mins of Stellas life like she did..... it was horrid, awful,and heartbreaking..my poor little girl... RIP

Shasha 06-12-2010 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3161199)
so Stella passed? And Manolos Mom is one of the best people I know and takes care of what needs to be done...
I was told today by someone that this would happen to Stella before you came on and said she passed....guess some knew what would happen before you...
look...she knew stellas illness by my thread earlier...there was nothing to be done for this condition chylothorax.....my vet told me she wouldnt make it... there wasnt a cure...... i KNEW what was happening.......that was the hardest part of it all.. and i and no vet could do anything about it. Manolos mum THINKS she knows it all..... !

Woogie Man 06-12-2010 06:30 PM
I'm very sorry to hear about Stella. I know this is a terrible loss for you and will keep you and Stella in my thoughts and prayers.

Rest In Peace, Little One.

Shasha 06-12-2010 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3161207)
I'm very sorry to hear about Stella. I know this is a terrible loss for you and will keep you and Stella in my thoughts and prayers.

Rest In Peace, Little One.
..thank you... thats comforting to know.... ive not stopt crying... my god, it was so awful the way she died......i cant get over that... i never will as long as i live....x

WinstonMom 06-12-2010 06:52 PM
I am so sorry about Stella's passing and all the problems that you have had.

RIP Little Stella

Shasha 06-12-2010 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3160885)
The momma of the pups who were killed was outside pottying when the other momma killed them, so she knows for sure who did it, and it was the 2nd time it happened!

Also out of a litter of 8 only one survives so far. I think I know why the OP is so upset, this was not a *profitable* undertaking this time around. I feel so sorry for her dogs.
..i dont think so!....Stella was a working Yorkie and had 4 reserves on her for her pups......i dont do it to make a profit...i breed for stamina, looks and temperment.... and to continue Stellas line that has continued for over 40 years......all my dogs are well loved and live in the home with me... not kennels or cages either..... get your facts right before making comments that you know nothing about!

kalina82 06-12-2010 06:57 PM
I am sorry Stella had to endure everything she did. RIP Stella

Marilize 06-13-2010 03:59 AM
How to Recognize and Treat Chylothorax in Dogs | eHow.com

I don't understand - is this the disease Stella had? It is supposed to be treatable according to the article from that link. Does anyone know more about this illness?

Brooklynn 06-13-2010 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasha (Post 3161206)
look...she knew stellas illness by my thread earlier...there was nothing to be done for this condition chylothorax.....my vet told me she wouldnt make it... there wasnt a cure...... i KNEW what was happening.......that was the hardest part of it all.. and i and no vet could do anything about it. Manolos mum THINKS she knows it all..... !
Sorry about Stella and may she rest in peace but if there was nothing you or the vet could do the most humane thing to do was put her to sleep and let her go in peace....
Manolos Mom does know more than you think, she's a wealth of knowledge with pets and that if it were in the well being of her animals she would exhaust all her options and possiblities and not let a dog suffer so in my opinion she has more heart than most people I know!
Donna

chachi 06-13-2010 04:32 AM
RIP stella!

roseslevi 06-13-2010 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3161222)
I am sorry Stella had to endure everything she did. RIP Stella
:thumbup: What a tragedy.

Mardelin 06-13-2010 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Shasha (Post 3161206)
look...she knew stellas illness by my thread earlier...there was nothing to be done for this condition chylothorax.....my vet told me she wouldnt make it... there wasnt a cure...... i KNEW what was happening.......that was the hardest part of it all.. and i and no vet could do anything about it. Manolos mum THINKS she knows it all..... !
So sorry about your Stella.

Monolos mom has all the compassion in the world for animals. And no, she doesn't know it all. That is why she spent thousands of dollars on her Lola, saving her life from a death sentence. A disease that was rare; going from vet to vet, specialist to specialist, refusing to give up. Lola is alive a year later, healthy, thriving and happy.

kalina82 06-13-2010 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Marilize (Post 3161359)
How to Recognize and Treat Chylothorax in Dogs | eHow.com

I don't understand - is this the disease Stella had? It is supposed to be treatable according to the article from that link. Does anyone know more about this illness?
Its treatable in the sense that when the chest cavity fills up with so much fluid that the dog cannot breath the vet can put a big needle in their chest and drain the fluid out. even with a low fat diet the chest will still fill up and need to be drained. With the case i saw it eventually got to the point where we were draining her every few weeks to then every week until she needed to be hospitalized because she couldn't breath after only a few days. In her case (6 year old sheltie who'd been dealing with it for years) the owners decided to euthanize her at that point because there was nothing else that could be done. it was very sad.

In stella's case i wonder if it was related to what she was going through at the time and therefore, caused by trauma or illness which made her case so bad that she only had a few days. hard to say

red98vett 06-13-2010 06:41 AM
All this is so sad. Poor Stella......

Woogie Man 06-13-2010 06:42 AM
I did a little reading on chylothorax as I had never heard of it. From my reading, it is treatable to a point but the prognosis is poor. I read back over one of the OP's other threads and as of June 7 she still had no diagnosis for Stella. How many would have put their dog to sleep without at least trying some treatment, which is what Shasha was doing with Stella? She was getting her ready for the ER when she passed. It's apples and oranges to compare another's success with Stella's passing. I must say I'm distressed and disappointed as can be at some of these attitudes in the wake of Stella's passing.

Shasha, my deepest sympathies to you in the loss of your Stella.

Shasha 06-13-2010 06:59 AM
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I did a little reading on chylothorax as I had never heard of it. From my reading, it is treatable to a point but the prognosis is poor. I read back over one of the OP's other threads and as of June 7 she still had no diagnosis for Stella. How many would have put their dog to sleep without at least trying some treatment, which is what Shasha was doing with Stella? She was getting her ready for the ER when she passed. It's apples and oranges to compare another's success with Stella's passing. I must say I'm distressed and disappointed as can be at some of these attitudes in the wake of Stella's passing.

Shasha, my deepest sympathies to you in the loss of your Stella.
Thank you WoogieMan.. for your kind words and compassion..... ive not stopt crying all day... keep seeing Stella in her last moments of life......it did distress and upset me with some of the comments made to me about Stellas situation.... some remarks made to me really hurt me.... as if i wasnt doing enough for her... well i know and the vet knows we did all we could and i know in my heart i tried...but she couldnt be saved. Now others are sending posts that the condition COULD have been treated!
They STILL think they know it all....thanks again... you were the kindest person to me through all this... thanks. x

Shasha 06-13-2010 07:13 AM
For My Stella - RIP
 
this is for you Stella ....

Rainbow Bridge

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that dog goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigour, those who were hurt or ill are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them.
Our dogs are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. Her bright eyes are intent; Her eager body quivers. Suddenly she begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, her legs carrying her faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

Author unknown...

my last post ...Shasha

Woogie Man 06-13-2010 07:19 AM
Stella was a beauty! I'm sure you have many fond memories of her that I hope will comfort you at this time. Best of luck going forward and best of luck with Honey.

jp4m2 06-13-2010 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3161443)
I did a little reading on chylothorax as I had never heard of it. From my reading, it is treatable to a point but the prognosis is poor. I read back over one of the OP's other threads and as of June 7 she still had no diagnosis for Stella. How many would have put their dog to sleep without at least trying some treatment, which is what Shasha was doing with Stella? She was getting her ready for the ER when she passed. It's apples and oranges to compare another's success with Stella's passing. I must say I'm distressed and disappointed as can be at some of these attitudes in the wake of Stella's passing.

Shasha, my deepest sympathies to you in the loss of your Stella.
I must say I was so disturbed at this also......All I can say is, WOW......

Sasha, I am so sad for Stella and for you......I know from first hand experience the devastation upon losing a pet and it is heartbreaking. Then to be blamed for her passing has to be the ultimate stab to the heart, as if you couldn't have cared less for her......wow.......I wish you well, my heart breaks for you and for Stella.......

chachi 06-13-2010 08:26 AM
I am sorry Stella passed. To those of you disappointed I don't think you read all of the threads started. This dog was nursing a pup when she was ill also Shasta was taking her for walks when she was having trouble breathing. Im not blaming this breeder for Stellas death but there were a lot of things to be concerned about.

Woogie Man 06-13-2010 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3161505)
I am sorry Stella passed. To those of you disappointed I don't think you read all of the threads started. This dog was nursing a pup when she was ill also Shasta was taking her for walks when she was having trouble breathing. Im not blaming this breeder for Stellas death but there were a lot of things to be concerned about.
Yes, there were a lot of threads started and it does get confusing. I think you are incorrect in saying Stella was nursing her pup at the time. And I did read the threads and don't need someone telling me I should have a different opinion. FYI, Stella wasn't diagnosed until June 11 and died in the wee hours of June 13.

I will tell you that I was being very careful in choosing my words when I said I was disappointed. Disgusted would be more appropriate.

chachi 06-13-2010 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3161520)
Yes, there were a lot of threads started and it does get confusing. I think you are incorrect in saying Stella was nursing her pup at the time. And I did read the threads and don't need someone telling me I should have a different opinion. FYI, Stella wasn't diagnosed until June 11 and died in the wee hours of June 13.

I will tell you that I was being very careful in choosing my words when I said I was disappointed. Disgusted would be more appropriate.
Whoa I wasnt telling you to have a different opinion. I was just saying there were reasons why people were concerned. Im done with this thread

Brooklynn 06-13-2010 11:59 AM
I guess I'm one of the ones to be disgusted at because what I read and interputed in the threads was totally different than the one that is disappointed in some (probably me included) but you won't be the first person disgusted in me nor the last.
I feel so very sorry for Stella but Shasha said in her own words her vet said there was nothing they could do and they were expecting her to pass (at least that is how I interputed it) and if I were in that position I would have put her to sleep to ease the pain.
I wouldn't have taken her on walks knowing she couldn't breathe...thats the first mistake I saw but like some I have my own opinion

I do again want to say I am sorry about Stella my condolences...

I'm done with this thread too...

Donna

WinstonMom 06-13-2010 02:06 PM
I won't go so far as to say I am disgusted, but I do think that some of the posts were just mean. If Shasha had posted Stella's passing in the memorial section, people would have treated her kindly and with sympathy. Just because Stella recently had pups, does not mean the Shasha does not deserve our sympathy, she just lost a dog that she loved.

Woogie Man 06-13-2010 03:46 PM
What is so upsetting to me about this is that I see it as a breach of simple human decency. When someone is fresh with grief and you can't bring yourself to offer genuine sympathy, at least have the decency to remain silent.


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