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niki35010 03-26-2008 05:16 AM
Need Advice!!!
 
I am supposed to be buying a biewer/yorkie saturday. He is a little male...but I really need a female but I thought that is all she had offered. Okay well I asked her last night did she have any females and she showed me a picture of her..she has a tiny bit of white on her chest but she said that she was 100% yorkie...What can this mean...could she havea parti i her? I don't know what to do!

Susan123 03-26-2008 05:50 AM
a biewer's ancestry should go all the way back to germany. IBC is the main registry but there are others. What kind of papers do she have? Regardless, if she is a biewer, she's not within their standard. Is she from a "splitter" litter?

niki35010 03-26-2008 05:56 AM
She didn't say that it was a splitter...I asked her abou tthe white being on the chest and she said that she was 100% yorkie...she is a wonderful breeder and has been doing it for 20+ years...so can you tell me some questions I could ask. I know the biewer/yorkie is CKC...and all of her biewers come straight in from Germany and have excellent bloodlines!!!

Sugar's Mom 03-26-2008 06:08 AM
nicki, every puppy I have ever had (five litters0 has had a distinct white mark on their chest except one. Usually, it turns to gold eventually. Does not mean they are parti carriers or splitters. Some lines just do that. Now those on a certain website with all white chests AND bellies are splitters.

MindieRose 03-26-2008 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1875538)
nicki, every puppy I have ever had (five litters0 has had a distinct white mark on their chest except one. Usually, it turns to gold eventually. Does not mean they are parti carriers or splitters. Some lines just do that. Now those on a certain website with all white chests AND bellies are splitters.
I was going to say the same thing. If you read http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16045 It states that pups have a white star on their chest.
When I first picked up Diesel, I thought the same thing. I thought that he must have some defective gene because he had a tiny bit of white on him, lol. Live and learn.

niki35010 03-26-2008 06:14 AM
Okay so here is my next question...I am wanting some parti colors in my line..that is my whole point of buying the biewer/yorkie...should I go on to buy him or should I get the 100% yorkie...This will be for breeding purposes later on.

LuvmyYorkies2 03-26-2008 06:18 AM
A lot of yorkies are born with the white patch on their chest that are non-parti, non-biewer. If you're certain you want parti or biewer lines, you should purchase from a pure biewer or parti experienced breeder to be certain you're going to get that trait.

lisatodd 03-26-2008 06:19 AM
if it is a true biewer, they should be ibc registered not ckc.

niki35010 03-26-2008 06:23 AM
It was biewer in him...but he was bred with a yorkie...so she said she could not register him with IBC it had to be with CKC...

Susan123 03-26-2008 06:25 AM
A yorkie puppy often has a white blaze on the chest, sometimes on a foot or two.

I see your post now, that is a splitter. More experienced with Biewers will come along and correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure.

Susan123 03-26-2008 06:28 AM
BTW, I would want to see the biewers pedigree to be sure she isn't trying to sell a reg. yorkie as a splitter. I think the prices are about the same though but I'm sure you'll want to know all about the pedigree of the dog you're interested in.

niki35010 03-26-2008 06:30 AM
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Okay here they are.... the first one is the male with biewer/yorkie....the second is another little male from the same little...and the third one is the little female with yorkie 100%
and the last one is the biewer....the two little males dad

lisatodd 03-26-2008 06:45 AM
biewers are their own breed so this would make it a mix breed

GreenwoodBiewer 03-26-2008 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1875573)
Okay here they are.... the first one is the male with biewer/yorkie....the second is another little male from the same little...and the third one is the little female with yorkie 100%
and the last one is the biewer....the two little males dad

Hi
What exactly is your question..I breed Biewers maybe I can help you. I don't register mine IBC and I'm not sure they register splitters or not but many German registries do.
-Diana

LuvmyYorkies2 03-26-2008 06:50 AM
I just wanted to comment on the biewer daddy. He is gorgeous! Wonder what his pedigree is??? I would like to own one 1 day.

niki35010 03-26-2008 06:50 AM
It makes it SO hard because that Tango is a BEAUTY!!!!!!! But, it would be defeating the purpose for breeding. I don't know what to do. It is so hard to turn down a puppy so beautiful!!!!

GreenwoodBiewer 03-26-2008 06:53 AM
Thank you.. I'll PM you my website.. don't know the rules on this forum, I don't come here that often and don't want to break any.

-Diana:animal-pa

Sugar's Mom 03-26-2008 06:58 AM
This is what I was telling you yesterday. If he is a true Biewer, I don't think he can registered CKC. I trust you have called CKC and asked? if you are wanting a true Biewer, you should go to one of the great Biewer breeders on here.

GreenwoodBiewer 03-26-2008 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1875615)
It makes it SO hard because that Tango is a BEAUTY!!!!!!! But, it would be defeating the purpose for breeding. I don't know what to do. It is so hard to turn down a puppy so beautiful!!!!
Which one is Tango? Are you looking to purchase a splitter for breeding? Are you thinking of purchasing a splitter (Biewer/Yorkie) and breeding back with a Yorkie?

-Diana

niki35010 03-26-2008 07:08 AM
Whatever dog I am wanting buy it will be used for breeding later on...I want to have parti colored yorkies...I will either breed it back with a yorkie that I have here..or later on I will buy a biewer and breed it with that. Tango is the very first picture and the last picture of the Biewer is his dad. She said she already had the registration papers so I am assuming that he can be registered with them...do I still need to call them?

GreenwoodBiewer 03-26-2008 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1875650)
Whatever dog I am wanting buy it will be used for breeding later on...I want to have parti colored yorkies...I will either breed it back with a yorkie that I have here..or later on I will buy a biewer and breed it with that. Tango is the very first picture and the last picture of the Biewer is his dad. She said she already had the registration papers so I am assuming that he can be registered with them...do I still need to call them?

I guess I'm going to have to respectfully bow out of this conversation.
-Diana:animal-pa

Susan123 03-26-2008 07:22 AM
I suggest going into this v e r y slowly. Think about what you want for your breeding program. Biewers are a wonderful, whichever you decide it should not be made lightly. Whatever you do, do it well.

niki35010 03-26-2008 07:41 AM
Do you know of anywhere I could buy a parti or parti gene carrier in alabama's surrounding states?

flutterby 03-26-2008 08:08 AM
I'd suggest you not even deal with biewers in your "breeding program".. They are working on becoming a breed on their own and ultimately you would have mixed breed puppies if bred to a biewer... Find a breeder of parti's and go about it that way.. I don't want to step on toes or anything, but I think you're jumping at breeding from all the wrong angles... JMO...

niki35010 03-26-2008 08:14 AM
I think I have come to realize that it would not be a good idea to get a biewer/yorkie for breeding. I might consider getting the little female. Thank you all so much for your advice!!!

Sugar's Mom 03-26-2008 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1875794)
I think I have come to realize that it would not be a good idea to get a biewer/yorkie for breeding. I might consider getting the little female. Thank you all so much for your advice!!!
That is the wise thing to do at thiss point in your breeding program.

GreenwoodBiewer 03-26-2008 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1875794)
I think I have come to realize that it would not be a good idea to get a biewer/yorkie for breeding. I might consider getting the little female. Thank you all so much for your advice!!!

YIPEEE!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

-Diana :animal-pa

Toby'sMama 03-26-2008 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1875565)
It was biewer in him...but he was bred with a yorkie...so she said she could not register him with IBC it had to be with CKC...
The German clubs would register the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier (marked as a Biewer) as a Biewer and the splitter (that looked like a yorkie) as a Yorkshire Terrier. I believe most clubs there are asked to okay the breeding between a Yorkshire Terrier and a Biewer.

I personally would not buy a CKC registered Biewer because you really don't know what you're getting. I've heard they will register anything, just going on the word of the Breeder. (not all breeders are honest) I've also seen where Biewer breeders who have bred splitters are registering their Yorkie pups as CKC and not telling the buyer that it is a splitter, and sell them as a breeding dog. Not an honest breeder in my opinion.

I would suggest doing some extensive research on the Biewers before jumping into breeding them. And don't be taken in by well-done websites and people who can "talk the talk." If they are telling you that there is only ONE good club (here in the USA) and try to diss any of the other ones... be very wary of them. Read ALL the club websites, talk to several breeders and ask many, many questions.


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