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YorkieAunt 01-27-2008 08:11 PM
I hope that this could apply to all the threads and not just the breeders ones. I've seen a few threads get pretty nasty and it really shouldn't have.

MeganS 01-27-2008 08:15 PM
Thank you for your post Kim.

I feel bad because I got into a heated arguement today, and I apologize. But I agree with everything you said. :thumbup:

Grayson's mom 01-27-2008 08:39 PM
this is why I don't visit that section anymore excellent post!:thumbup:

spr377 01-27-2008 10:18 PM
thanks for the reminder..... i refrain from doing too much posting for fear of being bashed if i say the wrong thing!! i'm glad that things are being monitored so we can feel more confident about posting.

parker 01-27-2008 10:32 PM
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addicted 01-28-2008 12:49 AM
I agree also. Though I did open my mouth a few times, I have always made my apologies.

CocosMom 01-28-2008 05:39 AM
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THANK YOU!!!! :) ;)

pepe mint 01-28-2008 06:12 AM
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JCarlson2004 01-28-2008 06:22 AM
Excellent reminder. :thumbup:

chattiesmom 01-30-2008 09:05 PM
Kim thank you for your "Not So Gentle Reminder" -- what a timely thread! It would be awesome if this post was a gateway that you had to go through and click on "I Agree" each time you entered the breeder's section. Then those who did not follow the posting rules shouldn't be surprised when they are suspended/banned.

Way to go! Thank you!!!

addicted 01-30-2008 09:19 PM
Oh dear... I just hope all the drama has passed. I know a member has already been banned. I just hope it doesn't continue...

simonandhallie 03-22-2008 05:25 AM
Please review my first post in this thread again. We, here at YT, try to keep it informative and helpful but with all the nastiness and hateful posts here in the breeder section I have to be honest, if it were up to me I would DELETE the whole section, lucky for you admin won't let me.

We have talked about possibly implementing new rules in the breeder section which would result in serious suspensions/banning or allowing only experienced breeders to reply to posts. We wish these ideas weren't necessary and they are not. If you cannot reply with fact based, helpful information then don't. It's really just that simple.

This section is consistently the most reported and cruelest section we have and I don't know why. We have so many experienced breeders here that no longer post or in some cases don't even want to be members anymore. I find that particularly sad and a detriment to yorkietalk.

Please think before you post and remember everyone was new at one time.

Thank You~

011011 03-22-2008 06:19 AM
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Jody Renfroe 03-22-2008 07:08 AM
Well said!:thumbup:

For My Coby 03-22-2008 07:47 AM
:thumbup: Moderating this forum must be excruiating at times.

I try to stay out because I have no breeding experience. But I have a lot of people experience. People come here as an alternative to/in addition to/before speaking to a vet. So maybe making it a "clinical forum" with different rules, responses would be more in line with how an experienced vet would communicate them. In those convrsations, most vets wouldn't be judgemental and most clients would not be defensive. I think it would be sad to have to do that tho.

Thanks for never giving up!

livingdustmops 03-22-2008 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 1866767)
We have talked about possibly implementing new rules in the breeder section which would result in serious suspensions/banning or allowing only experienced breeders to reply to posts. We wish these ideas weren't necessary and they are not. If you cannot reply with fact based, helpful information then don't. It's really just that simple.
I agree but we have many people who think they are experienced breeders after only a few years and a few litters. I guess my question would be and I know this would be tough to answer is, what would be the qualification for a experienced breeder?

simonandhallie 03-22-2008 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 1867091)
I agree but we have many people who think they are experienced breeders after only a few years and a few litters. I guess my question would be and I know this would be tough to answer is, what would be the qualification for a experienced breeder?
We are not planning on implementing any of these specific ideas but will need to do something if these posts and threads continue the way they have been. These are just some suggestions we have had from members who are frustrated and angry, rightfully so.

It is my hope that people will think before they type and provide thoughtful experiences and insight into breeding.

livingdustmops 03-22-2008 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 1867135)
We are not planning on implementing any of these specific ideas but will need to do something if these posts and threads continue the way they have been. These are just some suggestions we have had from members who are frustrated and angry, rightfully so.

It is my hope that people will think before they type and provide thoughtful experiences and insight into breeding.
Oh I agree and I am very concerned with some of the posts from inexperienced people in a wide range of topics. I think it is great people ask questions but YT should not be the only place people do their research. There are many fabulous books where people can learn if they really want to.:)

love_me_cody 03-22-2008 10:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 1866767)
Please review my first post in this thread again. We, here at YT, try to keep it informative and helpful but with all the nastiness and hateful posts here in the breeder section I have to be honest, if it were up to me I would DELETE the whole section, lucky for you admin won't let me.

We have talked about possibly implementing new rules in the breeder section which would result in serious suspensions/banning or allowing only experienced breeders to reply to posts. We wish these ideas weren't necessary and they are not. If you cannot reply with fact based, helpful information then don't. It's really just that simple.

This section is consistently the most reported and cruelest section we have and I don't know why. We have so many experienced breeders here that no longer post or in some cases don't even want to be members anymore. I find that particularly sad and a detriment to yorkietalk.

Please think before you post and remember everyone was new at one time.

Thank You~
Yes but most of the time there is also the experience breeders that are the ones that are rude and speak out without thinking. It's mostly breeders against breeders. Or breeders talking down to people that seek knowledge.

But still It's as if breeders are being the one that is being put down and discourage to be here anymore. Which, if you read previous threads, is not the case. It should be for breeders/otheers to come down on the way they say things and put their words. because looking back at old threads you can see that they, breeders are the ones that end of feeling so strongly on a topic.

Why not just tell people to don't post if you don't have anything positive to say, at all, on someones thread or face the consequences? You're making it seem that 'experience' breeders are being put down and they are not wanting to be here because of it. which is not the case at all. They are frustrated, that's all. Many others are frustrated also, but you're not mentioning them. Are breeders the only people that matter in this section?

MindieRose 03-22-2008 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1867237)

Why not just tell people to don't post if you don't have anything positive to say, at all, on someones thread or face the consequences? You're making it seem that 'experience' breeders are being put down and they are not wanting to be here because of it. which is not the case at all. They are frustrated, that's all. Many others are frustrated also, but you're not mentioning them. Are breeders the only people that matter in this section?

:thumbup: I agree. I think things should just be said nicer. I think people need to know the 100% truth and things that could happen if something isnt done right. People NEED information. However, it should be polite. Not one person has answered the question of "Why cant you just say it nicely?". The only responses have basically been "I dont have to talk nice if I dont want to, and you cant make me". :( I wish that everyone could just be mature about it all. It would be a benefit to all.

luckylady 03-22-2008 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 1866767)
Please review my first post in this thread again. We, here at YT, try to keep it informative and helpful but with all the nastiness and hateful posts here in the breeder section I have to be honest, if it were up to me I would DELETE the whole section, lucky for you admin won't let me.

We have talked about possibly implementing new rules in the breeder section which would result in serious suspensions/banning or allowing only experienced breeders to reply to posts. We wish these ideas weren't necessary and they are not. If you cannot reply with fact based, helpful information then don't. It's really just that simple.

This section is consistently the most reported and cruelest section we have and I don't know why. We have so many experienced breeders here that no longer post or in some cases don't even want to be members anymore. I find that particularly sad and a detriment to yorkietalk.
Please think before you post and remember everyone was new at one time.

Thank You~
I must agreee 100%!
I know there are some very inexperianced persons that come here with females ready to whelp, seemingly to not have prepared at all, but that does not mean they need lectures or bashing from us. They need help. Plain and simple.
And you are right, we not only lose new new members to Yorkie Talk (who might have become donating members at some time), but we also lose (have lost) some long time members that will be sorely missed.
So fellow YT'rs, if you see a thread asking/pleading for help, and you can't simply do that, help without the criticism (nicely put or not), then live by the rule my mother always taught me; "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." A good rule to live by.

CoCo Puff Stuff 03-22-2008 02:27 PM
Maybe you should just do it like other sites where they edit out the offensive parts of the post but leave the rest. The world is not all sunshine and lollipops. This topic will always bring about heated debate. What one person thinks was rude another thinks was straight forward and to the point.

tnpowell 03-22-2008 02:29 PM
Nicely said

chattiesmom 03-22-2008 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 1866767)
Please review my first post in this thread again. We, here at YT, try to keep it informative and helpful but with all the nastiness and hateful posts here in the breeder section I have to be honest, if it were up to me I would DELETE the whole section, lucky for you admin won't let me.

We have talked about possibly implementing new rules in the breeder section which would result in serious suspensions/banning or allowing only experienced breeders to reply to posts. We wish these ideas weren't necessary and they are not. If you cannot reply with fact based, helpful information then don't. It's really just that simple.

This section is consistently the most reported and cruelest section we have and I don't know why. We have so many experienced breeders here that no longer post or in some cases don't even want to be members anymore. I find that particularly sad and a detriment to yorkietalk.

Please think before you post and remember everyone was new at one time.

Thank You~
Kim - Thank you so very much for another reminder. It is so very sad that a group of adults with a common love can't be nice to one another and share information.

Many people who stumble upon YorkieTalk have an immediate need for help. That is not the time for lectures about what should have or could have been done. That is the time to embrace the new member and offer what help we can. After the crisis is over then is the time to try and gently educate. I don't think that I would be willing to listen to someone, no matter how knowledgeable they are, if they were rude to me or made snide remarks in a thread I started asking for help. Those who can't or won't be educated -- well there is nothing we can do to help them or the plite of their Yorkies. Some of the most outspoken posters in this thread have no breeding experience, and a multitude of silent readers have a wealth of knowledge, but refuse to post. The sad thing is -- we all can learn from each other if we would quit trying to be right all the time and open our minds and hearts to the ideas of others.

karren 03-22-2008 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luckylady (Post 1867375)
I must agreee 100%!
I know there are some very inexperianced persons that come here with females ready to whelp, seemingly to not have prepared at all, but that does not mean they need lectures or bashing from us. They need help. Plain and simple.
And you are right, we not only lose new new members to Yorkie Talk (who might have become donating members at some time), but we also lose (have lost) some long time members that will be sorely missed.
So fellow YT'rs, if you see a thread asking/pleading for help, and you can't simply do that, help without the criticism (nicely put or not), then live by the rule my mother always taught me; "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." A good rule to live by.
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love_me_cody 03-22-2008 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 1868206)
Kim - Thank you so very much for another reminder. It is so very sad that a group of adults with a common love can't be nice to one another and share information.

Many people who stumble upon YorkieTalk have an immediate need for help. That is not the time for lectures about what should have or could have been done. That is the time to embrace the new member and offer what help we can. After the crisis is over then is the time to try and gently educate. I don't think that I would be willing to listen to someone, no matter how knowledgeable they are, if they were rude to me or made snide remarks in a thread I started asking for help. Those who can't or won't be educated -- well there is nothing we can do to help them or the plite of their Yorkies. Some of the most outspoken posters in this thread have no breeding experience, and a multitude of silent readers have a wealth of knowledge, but refuse to post. The sad thing is -- we all can learn from each other if we would quit trying to be right all the time and open our minds and hearts to the ideas of others.
Amazing Post! Agree 100%

Sugar's Mom 03-23-2008 06:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1868401)
Amazing Post! Agree 100%
I also agree one hundred percent. I don't care how much "book learnin" you have about breeding, you don't really know anything until you have torn that first little sac off a puppy's face and maybe even helped breath air into it's little lungs. In reality, things don't always turn out the way the book says it ought to. There are so many that do have good intention's on these threads but I do feel it should be left up to the breeders if there is anyway to do it. So many people try to help but give wrong advice. i know I am a breeder, but I am still learning with each litter. When I run into a problem or need help, I go to one or two of the older more established breeders that don't post on these threads anymore because of the way things happen. And many times myself, I have tried to help someone new only to be undermined by someone that doesn't have a clue. That is what is so frustrating. That and the people that won't take anyones advice even after they ask.

livingdustmops 03-23-2008 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1868759)
I also agree one hundred percent. I don't care how much "book learnin" you have about breeding, you don't really know anything until you have torn that first little sac off a puppy's face and maybe even helped breath air into it's little lungs. In reality, things don't always turn out the way the book says it ought to. There are so many that do have good intention's on these threads but I do feel it should be left up to the breeders if there is anyway to do it. So many people try to help but give wrong advice. .
I agree but it doesn't hurt for someone to read and understand the basics when it comes to breeding from a book or the internet before they start breeding. I certainly wouldn't want a doctor operating on me that hadn't opened a book:p .

Duncansmom 03-23-2008 08:10 AM
Im pretty new here, but I have to say that this topic happened to me on my very first post. Made me feel stupid and I was afraid to post again. But, for the snotty comments i got, I also got alot of really kind words and help. Lets not let the "bad apples" spoil the barrel. So thanks from the new kids Kim!

Elizabeth Duncan and Piper

011011 03-23-2008 12:32 PM
Some of the most outspoken posters in this thread have no breeding experience, and a multitude of silent readers have a wealth of knowledge, but refuse to post. The sad thing is -- we all can learn from each other if we would quit trying to be right all the time and open our minds and hearts to the ideas of others.
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