I'm not even sure I know what this thread is about anymore. What started out as one side saying there has been enough animal testing and we should do no more (or maybe it was just a couple people) now agrees that it is unavoidable in some cases. As long as it's done as humanely as possible, then it's ok (while we try to find ways to avoid it in the future..).. That has been my thought all along, so now I'm really confused.