I bred sophie, and I will NEVER breed again!!! - YorkieTalk.com Forums

newmommy · 07-07-2007, 11:03 AM

this turned into the most horrible breeding experience I ever had!!!
I want another female yorkie, so I bought a male, just for breeding rights, then I placed him in a home with a friend, on a neuter contract.
Well, I wanted a female and I wanted pick of the litter so I thought the only way to get that was to breed my own female.
So, the pregnancy goes well and she is doing great. Then June 19th all aspects of what I have ever learned of whelping came into place. THANK GOD I WORK AT A VETS OFFICE. He gave me his personal cell phone number to guide me, If i needed help.
I have whelped 7 litters ( not with sophie ) just in my life, besides assisting at the vets.
I have never lost a puppy,
Until now.

troubletb · 07-07-2007, 11:39 AM

Oh my goodness, what happened? I also lost two puppies in the past 3 days. So sad, but unfortunately it happens.

So sorry for your lose.

newmommy · 07-07-2007, 01:23 PM

I came home from work on June 19th. Sophie had been in her room with food water and whelping box for the past week while I was at work. I came into the room and noticed that she dropped considerably. Then, I heard the puppies crying. One boy and ONe girl.
Then homes the horrible part. She was in labor from like 430 to 8 with the third one, then I noticed not only was this puppy coming feet first (breech) it was horribly deformed. Then I realized that she was having a dry birth, the puppy was being born without a sac. I dont know if it just didnt have one or if she ruptured it somehow trying to labor with this one for so long. So after letting her try to push on her own to no avail, I stepped in to assist. With each puppy I helped pull. She did not like this one bit, but i knew from being a vet assistant that if she didnt birth this puppy soon, I would lose her too. I knew at this point there was no way the puppy was alive. I mean even if it wasnt deformed like it was, it was suffocated by now. So after pulling the puppy, it was huge like 3 times the size of the other two. Both the first boy and girl were 4oz. Then came the runt. The tiniest most perfect thing i have ever seen. 2oz. tiny!!!!
Sophie decided that with all the stress and everything, that she didnt want to be a mother. I have never heard newborn puppies cry like this. They were so cold, they were so hungry. So I decided FINE I AM NOT GOING TO JUST SIT HERE AND LET THESE PUPPIES DIE. So I stepped in. I warmed the whelping box by putting a heating pad under the whelping box. I started supplemental feeding with them. I tried to hard.
I lost the runt on the second day. She was so dehydrated from birth. She had such a rough start. I was massaging and doing the gravatational swing just to get her to breathe in the begining. It was so sad. I wanted her to hang on so bad.
So, I lost two out of four puppies. Never in my years of whelping have I lost a puppy. It was devestating.
I now have two puppies. One boy and ONe girl. I wasnt going to keep any but I am soo attached to the little girl. I wish I could keep them both, they are such fighters. Their eyes are now open and they are little rollie pollies. Sophie is feeding them on her own, but it took a lot of paitence and coaching her on my part to do so.
Breeding is not for the weak hearted. Breeding is not something that you should do without education. If I did not work in a vets office I probably would of lost not only my puppies, but my momma.

LuvMySissy · 07-07-2007, 02:07 PM

I am so sorry you had such a terrible experience, but glad you have two healthy puppies. I hope they continue to thrive!!

YorkieRose · 07-07-2007, 02:24 PM

I am happy to hear you have two healthy pups..the rest is just a day in the life of a breeder. I always tell people who work, they must have someone check on the bitch several times per day, if you can not take her to work with you.
Not making light of your situation, just saying it is quite a normal turn of events from time to time...you are blessed they all came out and a section was not needed for the oversized pup.
Best wishes

red98vett · 07-07-2007, 02:35 PM

Oh man that's so sad - I was holding my breath while reading and am so sorry you lost 2 puppies...

How is mommy doing now ?

That post was such a good example of WHY only people who know what they're doing should breed...I have a terrible feeling this happens way more than we'd like to think with even worse endings & You're right - it's NOT for the faint hearted. I only Helped with my neighbors dog once and that was enough for me - I would be so stressed going thru something you just described.

good luck with mom and babies...

YorkieRose · 07-07-2007, 02:42 PM

Vee..remember the guy who advertised on Craigslist for "Canine Midwife"..and I asked the ad...? He lost his last bitch during whelping and was scared to death. I enjoyed it...all went well and it is so easy when it is someone else dog..I am stressed with my own.

red98vett · 07-07-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Vee..remember the guy who advertised on Craigslist for "Canine Midwife"..and I asked the ad...? He lost his last bitch during whelping and was scared to death. I enjoyed it...all went well and it is so easy when it is someone else dog..I am stressed with my own.

I sure do. I had to hand it to the guy to at least ASK for help but after his first loss ...I was kind of surprised he did it a 2nd time....you were a big help as I recall

topknot · 07-08-2007, 10:36 AM

Newmommy - I am so glad that your mama and her two pups are doing okay.

Whelping a yorkie is much different than your other breeds and a lot more involved. It is not simple. I am so sorry you had such a hard time.
I never leave my female about ready to whelp alone. If I cannot take her to work that week she is due, I make arrangements with my vet and drop her off there on my way to work and then pick her up on my way home. She also sleeps right next to me at night. I also call at lunch time and they have my two numbers plus my husband's numbers too, just in case. P.S. I usually try to take off from work during and near her due date.
I also always assist her in whelping. I think because they are small they get tired so fast and so I do not trust her to do it on her own, especially a mom that is her 1st time whelping. I always do the cutting of cords and rub pups. This was after I had one mom cut the cord way too short and lost a pup from this. I also always have a heating pad or hot water bottle to warm the whelping box (I use an airling kennel bottom to use for whelping area then move pups and mom to their nursery bed after birthing). This way it is nice and warm. I have also found over the years that a warm area (not too warm though) helps to clear the lungs if any mucus still remains. I also check all the time to make sure all pups are nursing well and have a good suction. I have only had to tube feed one litter in all my years and so glad.
I just thought I would place some of the things I have learned about whelping here for others that may read - to help.
I know how hard this experience was for you, but now you can enjoy your babies. Keep us up on their progress.
T.

aka_yorkie_mama · 07-10-2007, 08:37 PM

New Mommy i am so sorry i to lost a little boy this season somtimes you can do everything just right from prenatal to taking time off to be at home i had a little boy born 1.5 oz who couldnt hold H20 i had to tube feed him and sub q fulid him for 7 days my vet said he cant make it he is just not developed he lived in my bra for warmth i only got 2hr slot of sleep for 7 days thriving and then gone... i cryed and cryed so my boy TT champ is playing over the rainbow with your two you will find the two you have will help i know my two girls help me * the TT is due to his bra houseing*

babi1542 · 07-10-2007, 09:28 PM

I am sad to hear about the two babies that died but i am happy about the two you have now. We want to see pics when you get a chance. Congratulations!

daisy mae06 · 07-10-2007, 10:08 PM

OMG I am so sorry that had to be horrible. I am glad mama and the other two are doing well..... Are you going to post pictures??? I just love to see babies

daisy mae06 · 07-10-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daisy mae06

OMG I am so sorry that had to be horrible. I am glad mama and the other two are doing well..... Are you going to post pictures??? I just love to see babies

never mind

I just saw and they are Darlings

Glad they are doing so well

011011 · 07-11-2007, 06:15 AM

Vee..remember the guy who advertised on Craigslist for "Canine Midwife"..and I asked the ad...? He lost his last bitch during whelping and was scared to death. I enjoyed it...all went well and it is so easy when it is someone else dog..I am stressed with my own.

I agree with you,I went and whelped a litter for a friend (maltese) It went well and I was not stressed at all she had 4 pups had to pull a couple for they all came face up (never experianced that with dogs).Then I had my own litter about 2 weeks later what a difference when it is your own it is more stressful!

ARCHIE · 07-11-2007, 06:30 AM

Newmommy, I am sorry for your loss of two puppies but you are still
blessed with two healthy ones and mommy. You did an awsome job
helping them survive. Be proud of yourself. I don't know how the
breeder's do it, the serious one's I mean. I am sure they go
through some rough times from time to time as well. Bringing into the
world a living breathing thing has got to be the most amazing feeling
anyone can experience.
Good luck with the little ones.

07-07-2007, 11:03 AM	#1
newmommy Keep Me Away From eBay Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,109	I bred sophie, and I will NEVER breed again!!! this turned into the most horrible breeding experience I ever had!!! I want another female yorkie, so I bought a male, just for breeding rights, then I placed him in a home with a friend, on a neuter contract. Well, I wanted a female and I wanted pick of the litter so I thought the only way to get that was to breed my own female. So, the pregnancy goes well and she is doing great. Then June 19th all aspects of what I have ever learned of whelping came into place. THANK GOD I WORK AT A VETS OFFICE. He gave me his personal cell phone number to guide me, If i needed help. I have whelped 7 litters ( not with sophie ) just in my life, besides assisting at the vets. I have never lost a puppy, Until now. __________________ There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face!!

07-07-2007, 11:39 AM	#2
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	Oh my goodness, what happened? I also lost two puppies in the past 3 days. So sad, but unfortunately it happens. So sorry for your lose. __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3

07-07-2007, 01:23 PM	#3
newmommy Keep Me Away From eBay Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,109	my story on why I will never Breed again I came home from work on June 19th. Sophie had been in her room with food water and whelping box for the past week while I was at work. I came into the room and noticed that she dropped considerably. Then, I heard the puppies crying. One boy and ONe girl. Then homes the horrible part. She was in labor from like 430 to 8 with the third one, then I noticed not only was this puppy coming feet first (breech) it was horribly deformed. Then I realized that she was having a dry birth, the puppy was being born without a sac. I dont know if it just didnt have one or if she ruptured it somehow trying to labor with this one for so long. So after letting her try to push on her own to no avail, I stepped in to assist. With each puppy I helped pull. She did not like this one bit, but i knew from being a vet assistant that if she didnt birth this puppy soon, I would lose her too. I knew at this point there was no way the puppy was alive. I mean even if it wasnt deformed like it was, it was suffocated by now. So after pulling the puppy, it was huge like 3 times the size of the other two. Both the first boy and girl were 4oz. Then came the runt. The tiniest most perfect thing i have ever seen. 2oz. tiny!!!! Sophie decided that with all the stress and everything, that she didnt want to be a mother. I have never heard newborn puppies cry like this. They were so cold, they were so hungry. So I decided FINE I AM NOT GOING TO JUST SIT HERE AND LET THESE PUPPIES DIE. So I stepped in. I warmed the whelping box by putting a heating pad under the whelping box. I started supplemental feeding with them. I tried to hard. I lost the runt on the second day. She was so dehydrated from birth. She had such a rough start. I was massaging and doing the gravatational swing just to get her to breathe in the begining. It was so sad. I wanted her to hang on so bad. So, I lost two out of four puppies. Never in my years of whelping have I lost a puppy. It was devestating. I now have two puppies. One boy and ONe girl. I wasnt going to keep any but I am soo attached to the little girl. I wish I could keep them both, they are such fighters. Their eyes are now open and they are little rollie pollies. Sophie is feeding them on her own, but it took a lot of paitence and coaching her on my part to do so. Breeding is not for the weak hearted. Breeding is not something that you should do without education. If I did not work in a vets office I probably would of lost not only my puppies, but my momma. __________________ There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face!!

07-07-2007, 02:07 PM	#4
LuvMySissy Luv my Angel, too! Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 9,333	I am so sorry you had such a terrible experience, but glad you have two healthy puppies. I hope they continue to thrive!! __________________ Sissy & Angel

07-07-2007, 02:24 PM	#5
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	litter I am happy to hear you have two healthy pups..the rest is just a day in the life of a breeder. I always tell people who work, they must have someone check on the bitch several times per day, if you can not take her to work with you. Not making light of your situation, just saying it is quite a normal turn of events from time to time...you are blessed they all came out and a section was not needed for the oversized pup. Best wishes Last edited by YorkieRose; 07-07-2007 at 02:25 PM.

07-07-2007, 02:35 PM	#6
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Oh man that's so sad - I was holding my breath while reading and am so sorry you lost 2 puppies... How is mommy doing now ? That post was such a good example of WHY only people who know what they're doing should breed...I have a terrible feeling this happens way more than we'd like to think with even worse endings & You're right - it's NOT for the faint hearted. I only Helped with my neighbors dog once and that was enough for me - I would be so stressed going thru something you just described. good luck with mom and babies... __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

07-07-2007, 02:42 PM	#7
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	litter Vee..remember the guy who advertised on Craigslist for "Canine Midwife"..and I asked the ad...? He lost his last bitch during whelping and was scared to death. I enjoyed it...all went well and it is so easy when it is someone else dog..I am stressed with my own.

07-08-2007, 10:36 AM	#9
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Newmommy - I am so glad that your mama and her two pups are doing okay. Whelping a yorkie is much different than your other breeds and a lot more involved. It is not simple. I am so sorry you had such a hard time. I never leave my female about ready to whelp alone. If I cannot take her to work that week she is due, I make arrangements with my vet and drop her off there on my way to work and then pick her up on my way home. She also sleeps right next to me at night. I also call at lunch time and they have my two numbers plus my husband's numbers too, just in case. P.S. I usually try to take off from work during and near her due date. I also always assist her in whelping. I think because they are small they get tired so fast and so I do not trust her to do it on her own, especially a mom that is her 1st time whelping. I always do the cutting of cords and rub pups. This was after I had one mom cut the cord way too short and lost a pup from this. I also always have a heating pad or hot water bottle to warm the whelping box (I use an airling kennel bottom to use for whelping area then move pups and mom to their nursery bed after birthing). This way it is nice and warm. I have also found over the years that a warm area (not too warm though) helps to clear the lungs if any mucus still remains. I also check all the time to make sure all pups are nursing well and have a good suction. I have only had to tube feed one litter in all my years and so glad. I just thought I would place some of the things I have learned about whelping here for others that may read - to help. I know how hard this experience was for you, but now you can enjoy your babies. Keep us up on their progress. T. Last edited by topknot; 07-08-2007 at 10:39 AM.

07-10-2007, 08:37 PM	#10
aka_yorkie_mama YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Nor-Cal Posts: 456	so sorry New Mommy i am so sorry i to lost a little boy this season somtimes you can do everything just right from prenatal to taking time off to be at home i had a little boy born 1.5 oz who couldnt hold H20 i had to tube feed him and sub q fulid him for 7 days my vet said he cant make it he is just not developed he lived in my bra for warmth i only got 2hr slot of sleep for 7 days thriving and then gone... i cryed and cryed so my boy TT champ is playing over the rainbow with your two you will find the two you have will help i know my two girls help me * the TT is due to his bra houseing*

07-10-2007, 09:28 PM	#11
babi1542 Double Trouble Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 4,658	I am sad to hear about the two babies that died but i am happy about the two you have now. We want to see pics when you get a chance. Congratulations! __________________ PEBBLES AND SASHA MY DOGS ARE NOT SPOILED...I'M JUST WELL TRAINED!

07-10-2007, 10:08 PM	#12
daisy mae06 Kodi & Pixie 2 Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NEBRASKA Posts: 14,766	OMG I am so sorry that had to be horrible. I am glad mama and the other two are doing well..... Are you going to post pictures??? I just love to see babies __________________ OK Yorkie Rescue - http://okyorkierescue.org LorisCritterSitter.com

07-11-2007, 06:15 AM	#14
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	Vee..remember the guy who advertised on Craigslist for "Canine Midwife"..and I asked the ad...? He lost his last bitch during whelping and was scared to death. I enjoyed it...all went well and it is so easy when it is someone else dog..I am stressed with my own. I agree with you,I went and whelped a litter for a friend (maltese) It went well and I was not stressed at all she had 4 pups had to pull a couple for they all came face up (never experianced that with dogs).Then I had my own litter about 2 weeks later what a difference when it is your own it is more stressful!

07-11-2007, 06:30 AM	#15
ARCHIE No Longer A Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 16,218	Newmommy, I am sorry for your loss of two puppies but you are still blessed with two healthy ones and mommy. You did an awsome job helping them survive. Be proud of yourself. I don't know how the breeder's do it, the serious one's I mean. I am sure they go through some rough times from time to time as well. Bringing into the world a living breathing thing has got to be the most amazing feeling anyone can experience. Good luck with the little ones.