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thoap · 10-11-2007, 08:04 PM

I think I made a bad boo-boo at the last show. My daughter and myself handled my two male 6 mos old in the last show here. There were no other males in any class but winners (a male champion + 3 other champ dams). The pup my daughter handled won 1st in BBE and in winners he took BOB. Only problem, I am listed as the owner/ breeder and not her. I had no idea that immediate family members could not handle but I'm being told that I am the only one that could handle, which means if I want to show both in BBE, I'll need to wait until one is completely finished before I can show the other.
1. Is this true or am I being misled here?
2. If this is true, is there anyway to salvage that BOB? (it was a 4 point major). Maybe if I agree to not show him in BBE again?

feminvstr · 10-11-2007, 09:37 PM

because of the error, AKC has the right to withdraw the win, you must be the breeder and the owner or co-owner of record....

This is what is published;

The Bred-by-Exhibitor Class shall be for dogs that are: Six months of age or older as of the first day of the show; Not AKC Champions of record on the date of closing of entries for the show; Individually registered with The American Kennel Club as of the date of closing of entries for the show; Owned or co-owned by any of the breeders of record as the date of the closing of entries for the show.

The person handling the dog in this class must be a breeder of record and an owner of record of this dog.

feminvstr · 10-11-2007, 09:45 PM

I might add the winners dog points will go to the reserve dog, which I assume you were the one showing him...AKC wont make exceptions for registration errors, your daughter had to have been registered as the co-breeder and co-owner to handle the dog in the bred-by class.

If you want your daughter to show have her show in the puppy classes while you show in the bred by.

How sad for this to happen

fannie · 10-12-2007, 05:10 AM

Congrats on the 4 pt. major. That's huge! I am sure that Kim is right, but I'm still learning all of this as well.

I'm curious though, how will AKC find out? Will she have to report it?

Brooklynn · 10-12-2007, 06:16 AM

Unfortunately your daughter can't show in the bred by class if she's not the breeder/owner but, however, she can take the puppy back into the winners class and show. Kim is right AKC will give the points to the one that got reserve. But maybe no one will protest. I'm not sure how AKC will know but what do I know LOL. I know if I had someone take a dog in the bred by class there would be a protest and the points for sure would be taken away LOL. Just wait and see and you can go check in a couple of weeks on AKC reports and see if the dog was awarded the points. Maybe you can hope. Sorry for the bad news. I would however, show 6 month old puppies in the puppy classes. If you have 2 do what Kim said
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Mardelin · 10-12-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Unfortunately your daughter can't show in the bred by class if she's not the breeder/owner but, however, she can take the puppy back into the winners class and show. Kim is right AKC will give the points to the one that got reserve. But maybe no one will protest. I'm not sure how AKC will know but what do I know LOL. I know if I had someone take a dog in the bred by class there would be a protest and the points for sure would be taken away LOL. Just wait and see and you can go check in a couple of weeks on AKC reports and see if the dog was awarded the points. Maybe you can hope. Sorry for the bad news. I would however, show 6 month old puppies in the puppy classes. If you have 2 do what Kim said
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Donna, Both you and Kim are right....However, AKC will find out about the error, it doesn't have to be reported, but wins are scruntinized by AKC. It'll take a few weeks, but the points will go to the Reserve Winner. Notification will be made by mail.....They'll request the ribbons back....etc.

Mary

Brooklynn · 10-12-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Donna, Both you and Kim are right....However, AKC will find out about the error, it doesn't have to be reported, but wins are scruntinized by AKC. It'll take a few weeks, but the points will go to the Reserve Winner. Notification will be made by mail.....They'll request the ribbons back....etc.

Mary

Not sure how they know all this but I'm sure they know more than I do LOL...I really do feel for this person

hate to have a 4 point major taken from me.....

thoap · 10-12-2007, 12:33 PM

Hi, thanks for all the replies. Someone complained the day after the show. I wish they had done it after Saturdays show instead of waiting, but I guess there was not as much at stake until the pup took BOB.

On Sunday, the dog I was handling won the reserve, but my daughters only got one point for beating me. She didn't get 4 points until she beat the 4 champions in the winners. Would my reserve winners dog still get those 4 points?

Brooklynn · 10-12-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thoap

Hi, thanks for all the replies. Someone complained the day after the show. I wish they had done it after Saturdays show instead of waiting, but I guess there was not as much at stake until the pup took BOB.

On Sunday, the dog I was handling won the reserve, but my daughters only got one point for beating me. She didn't get 4 points until she beat the 4 champions in the winners. Would my reserve winners dog still get those 4 points?

If you went reserve with the dog you had then when they unfortunately take away the points from the other puppy the one that went reserve will get the points. So you when either way actually. Like Mary said wouldn't matter if anyone didn't complain AKC will find out and take the points away....I'm sure someone complained because a puppy took breed over specials LOL

Mardelin · 10-12-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Not sure how they know all this but I'm sure they know more than I do LOL...I really do feel for this person

hate to have a 4 point major taken from me.....

I don't either Donna, but I would suspect they have a department that goes through the wins and registrations, etc.

I would be so upset too.....especially being new to showing....and such a nice win....the good thing is the Reserve dog is the same person....Congratulations on your win.

Mardelin · 10-12-2007, 12:51 PM

I know a few months back someone posted on another list that their dog was a champion and they hadn't even been to a show. They had been notified by mail that something or other had happened with the original winner...the reserve dog was being awarded the points.

thoap · 10-12-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

the good thing is the Reserve dog is the same person....Congratulations on your win.

Thanks Mardelin.

OWENSK9 · 10-15-2007, 03:25 PM

it's been years since I've shown a Bred By---am I wrong I thought the Breeder or a member of the family (in the house hold) could show the dog ! Has that changed or am I just mistaken. As I said it's been YEARS since I had a dog in that class !! I better order me a rules book from AKC before I make a Boo Boo !!!

Mardelin · 10-15-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OWENSK9

it's been years since I've shown a Bred By---am I wrong I thought the Breeder or a member of the family (in the house hold) could show the dog ! Has that changed or am I just mistaken. As I said it's been YEARS since I had a dog in that class !! I better order me a rules book from AKC before I make a Boo Boo !!!

It's as it states: Bred By Exhibitor...Breeder/Owner/Exhibitor must all be one in the same. Always has been the rule.

Chapter 3 DOG SHOW CLASSIFICATIONS Section 7

The Bred By Exhibitor Class shall be for dogs:
Six months of age or older as of the first day of the show

Not Champions of Records as of closing of entries for the show

Individually registered with the American Kennel Club as of the date of closing of entries for the show

Owned or co-owned by any the breeders of record as of the date of closing of entries for the show.

The person handling the dog in this class must be the breeder of record and owner of record of this dog.

In any subsequent classes for which a dog from the Bred By Exhibitor class becomes eligible, there are no restrictions as to may handle the dog......(In otherword if your dog wins from this class anyone else can take it in for WD/WB or BOB.)

OWENSK9 · 10-15-2007, 04:12 PM

thanks for the information---I better get me a new AKC rule book !!!!

10-11-2007, 08:04 PM	#1
thoap Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 49	2 questions about Bred-By-Exhibitor handling... I think I made a bad boo-boo at the last show. My daughter and myself handled my two male 6 mos old in the last show here. There were no other males in any class but winners (a male champion + 3 other champ dams). The pup my daughter handled won 1st in BBE and in winners he took BOB. Only problem, I am listed as the owner/ breeder and not her. I had no idea that immediate family members could not handle but I'm being told that I am the only one that could handle, which means if I want to show both in BBE, I'll need to wait until one is completely finished before I can show the other. 1. Is this true or am I being misled here? 2. If this is true, is there anyway to salvage that BOB? (it was a 4 point major). Maybe if I agree to not show him in BBE again?

10-11-2007, 09:37 PM	#2
feminvstr Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,398	because of the error, AKC has the right to withdraw the win, you must be the breeder and the owner or co-owner of record.... This is what is published; The Bred-by-Exhibitor Class shall be for dogs that are: Six months of age or older as of the first day of the show; Not AKC Champions of record on the date of closing of entries for the show; Individually registered with The American Kennel Club as of the date of closing of entries for the show; Owned or co-owned by any of the breeders of record as the date of the closing of entries for the show. The person handling the dog in this class must be a breeder of record and an owner of record of this dog. __________________ Kimberly yorkiepassion.com

10-11-2007, 09:45 PM	#3
feminvstr Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,398	I might add the winners dog points will go to the reserve dog, which I assume you were the one showing him...AKC wont make exceptions for registration errors, your daughter had to have been registered as the co-breeder and co-owner to handle the dog in the bred-by class. If you want your daughter to show have her show in the puppy classes while you show in the bred by. How sad for this to happen __________________ Kimberly yorkiepassion.com

10-12-2007, 05:10 AM	#4
fannie Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,418	Congrats on the 4 pt. major. That's huge! I am sure that Kim is right, but I'm still learning all of this as well. I'm curious though, how will AKC find out? Will she have to report it? __________________ Steph, Mama to 6 skin babies and beautiful yorkies!www.sweetyorkies.com

10-12-2007, 12:51 PM	#11
Mardelin YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 3,863	I know a few months back someone posted on another list that their dog was a champion and they hadn't even been to a show. They had been notified by mail that something or other had happened with the original winner...the reserve dog was being awarded the points. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

10-12-2007, 06:16 AM	#5
Brooklynn YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,390	Unfortunately your daughter can't show in the bred by class if she's not the breeder/owner but, however, she can take the puppy back into the winners class and show. Kim is right AKC will give the points to the one that got reserve. But maybe no one will protest. I'm not sure how AKC will know but what do I know LOL. I know if I had someone take a dog in the bred by class there would be a protest and the points for sure would be taken away LOL. Just wait and see and you can go check in a couple of weeks on AKC reports and see if the dog was awarded the points. Maybe you can hope. Sorry for the bad news. I would however, show 6 month old puppies in the puppy classes. If you have 2 do what Kim said Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

10-12-2007, 12:33 PM	#8
thoap Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 49	Hi, thanks for all the replies. Someone complained the day after the show. I wish they had done it after Saturdays show instead of waiting, but I guess there was not as much at stake until the pup took BOB. On Sunday, the dog I was handling won the reserve, but my daughters only got one point for beating me. She didn't get 4 points until she beat the 4 champions in the winners. Would my reserve winners dog still get those 4 points?

10-15-2007, 03:25 PM	#13
OWENSK9 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 12	it's been years since I've shown a Bred By---am I wrong I thought the Breeder or a member of the family (in the house hold) could show the dog ! Has that changed or am I just mistaken. As I said it's been YEARS since I had a dog in that class !! I better order me a rules book from AKC before I make a Boo Boo !!!

10-15-2007, 04:12 PM	#15
OWENSK9 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 12	thanks for the information---I better get me a new AKC rule book !!!!