Question about 2 shows a day

[kathy785]

Cindy is right, the shows were IABCA. Two shows Saturday and two on Sunday. They do all of the BIS for both shows at the end of the day. While multiple dogs can earn championships at a show, only one dog and puppy can earn BIS rare breed dog and puppy for the whole weekend. There is a BIS competion for each show, so 4 BIS are given out. To me these wins are the bigger honors, as it means my puppies were judged against all of the puppies in the show and came out on top. My newest addition, a male from Germany, won BIS Rare breed puppy after being in the US 3 days!

At IABCA shows, you win medallions for class wins (ex. best Biewer puppy), a numbered medallion for group placings up to 4 (ex. toy group), Large ribbons for BIS, reserve BIS, Rare breed BIS

In the one picture the two judges are holding all of the medallions the girls won and the other is holding the ribbons that each one won for Reserve BIS puppy.

The other picture shows my boy, Tobias, with his BIS Rare Breed puppy ribbon. I did not get all of his medallions out. As you can see I was having a hard enough time straightening out my sleeve to hide my long underwear.

These shows are very relaxed, and the judges very helpful. They actually talk to you! I had never shown a dog before and they helped me through the class. They also understand if a puppy acts up a bit.

Sorry for the novel here! If you want to know any more, I would be more than happy to talk to you about IABCA. If you think you might like to start showing, this is a great place to get your feet wet before moving on to the more rigid or strict setting of AKC.

[kathy785]

Forgot to mention that the large trophy is just a prop. Looks impressive though!

[ButterflyYorkie]

I guess this is by far my favorite forum to read here these days, I learn so much here.
I pm'd a member a while back asking for info on the international shows. She gave me run down on it all..I had no clue really.

I wanted to add more about judges from the above posts...
I have shown in both akc and ukc, more so in ukc but have got my feet wet in akc. I noticed one thing in paticular, the judges in ukc were all so helpful and didn't mind speaking with us on an individual basis. They seemed to make time for us and were happy to help us out, answer questions, ect. One in paticular went out of their way to help my daughter (novice junior) and I was very grateful to say the least. I realize there have been some changes made recently with the rules for judging and there is alot of hoopla going on about judging in both registries (akc and ukc at same time) Alot of the judges in ukc (were) before the new rules also akc judges and some of them show in ukc. One in paticular, Matt Proctor was just awesome to us and he took time to speak to us and answer questions. There are a few more that were also very kind and went out of their way to speak to us. I guess my point is that at the akc shows I've attended it was more difficult to get one on one time with a judge vs. ukc. Many of the ukc shows I've attended were huge just like the akc shows I've attended but we seemed to have a better chance at actually sitting down and speaking with a judge with ukc. I plan to show with both registries in the coming months but I seem to really enjoy the ukc shows for some reason. Even when we're losing, lol!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

May I ask what registry did you get this email from?

If this is IABCA I am sure many Biewer owners would have a great big BITCH about this. They are spending a lot of $$$ and time to follow the German requirements. I totally understand how difficult it is to receive points in AKC with the many show entries that come to a show. Probably at the beginning of the Yorkie world in AKC many of the first recognized Yorkies earned points for just showing up. I will tell you I saw the AKC judges pulling orange cards in California for Biewers that were not standard so points were just not handed out. At the Ca show we had about 15 dogs both puppy and adult so the competition was a little stiffer. What is missing is enough entries to make it a tough competition and yes people can earn points without a lot of competition but this is to be expected in a new breed. Correct me if I am wrong, but depending on the area an AKC breeder shows in, it can be tougher or easier to get points, depending on the competition. I have heard of AKC breeders shipping show dogs to other parts of the country where the competition is not as tough to get their championship/points.

I really don't think the general public understands about points and titles even in the AKC world..It is a bit overwhelming even for a new show person.

Please understand I am not a breeder or a handler and all of my dogs are pet quality. This is just my observation but I do know people who are competing in the IABCA and I have attended 3 shows (which I know is not a hugh amount) along with many, many AKC shows as a Yorkie/Dog Fancier.

My hat is off to any Yorkie Show Breeder because it is one big tough competition for all of you and I can only hope in 50 years the Biewers will be in the same spot as you are today.

Good Luck.

I'm a bit confused about your statement on AKC judges pulling orange cards on Biewer dogs......It's my understanding that AKC does not recognize the Biewer as a breed onto itself.....

No, I don't think yorkies were awarded points just for showing up. If you study the history of the yorkie and how it has evolved....dog showing was a sport of gentry.....Yorkies evolving from Huddersfield Ben of Great Britian.

Though their are other registries within the United States, and I'm sure wonderful places to show & learn without the politics. Eukanuba, Westminster are AKC events, as are the majority of dog shows in the country.

The point system for obtaining Championship is still 15 points any where in the US, of those 15 it requires 2 Major Wins.....that is what differs from region to region. California, requires less dogs & bitches for a Major than say maybe, Texas/OK....Competition is still stiff, now matter where you go, as there are wonderful speciman's of the yorkie in every region. Then you have the handlers that travel all over the country campaigning with top dogs that can show up at anytime. Or you go to a Breed Specialty, where hundreds of the best dogs show up and the competition is really stiff. You can visit the AKC website and it explains the point system, region and breed.

[Mardelin]

[quote=livingdustmops]May I ask what registry did you get this email from?

Can't even remember, as it wasn't worth keeping, just laughed, shook my head, knowing that there are plenty of disreputable people out there that would take advantage of it.

[tegamom1]

Kathy, I appreciate your information. I showed dog in AKC competitions several years before I had children, so the feet have definitely been wet. I showed my own breed which was Dachshunds, at the time, along with Afghan Hounds. I also showed Bassetts, a Greyhound that belonged to my best friend I traveled with, French Bulldogs (one of which I had forgotten until I pulled his picture out this week) became the #1 Frenchie and numerous other breeds for people and professional handlers to learn everything I could. I stopped to raise my 4 children but never lost the love of the sport. I have really enjoyed watching the larger shows on television and seeing some of the professional handlers that have become judges, some that are still handling, and judges that are still judging. I really don't think things have changed to much. I found most of the AKC judges to be very helpful. They usually have very full days of judging and don't have a lot of time to discuss someones dog during a show, but were always willing to discuss dogs whenever they had the time. They may seem a little reserved, but, you also need to consider, they have to be a little cautious because of the people that will approach them demanding to know why "Little Fido" didn't win and suffer from the dreaded "kennel blindness" syndrome. All in all, there is no greater feeling than that of winning at an AKC show when you're competiting with the top show breeders and professional handlers in the country!

[Toby'sMama]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I'm a bit confused about your statement on AKC judges pulling orange cards on Biewer dogs......It's my understanding that AKC does not recognize the Biewer as a breed onto itself.....

No, I don't think yorkies were awarded points just for showing up. If you study the history of the yorkie and how it has evolved....dog showing was a sport of gentry.....Yorkies evolving from Huddersfield Ben of Great Britian.

Though their are other registries within the United States, and I'm sure wonderful places to show & learn without the politics. Eukanuba, Westminster are AKC events, as are the majority of dog shows in the country.

The point system for obtaining Championship is still 15 points any where in the US, of those 15 it requires 2 Major Wins.....that is what differs from region to region. California, requires less dogs & bitches for a Major than say maybe, Texas/OK....Competition is still stiff, now matter where you go, as there are wonderful speciman's of the yorkie in every region. Then you have the handlers that travel all over the country campaigning with top dogs that can show up at anytime. Or you go to a Breed Specialty, where hundreds of the best dogs show up and the competition is really stiff. You can visit the AKC website and it explains the point system, region and breed.

Hope to clear up some of your confusion, the show in California was an IABCA show, as Cindy stated, but the judges are AKC and CKC (Canadian). And I did see them pulling orange cards on less than standard dogs. You are correct that the AKC does not recognize the Biewer. Hopefully in the future, they will. There is also the possibility they never will. All breeds have had to "pay their dues" so to speak, in order to become an AKC sanctioned breed. Time will tell with the Biewer.

As far as "dogs showing up to get points" back in the early Yorkie show history, I would think that there were not as many dogs showing as there are today. As an example, the possibility that there were only 3 dogs showing, would they all "place" First, Second or Third? In today's ring, if there were 15 dogs showing, 3 dogs would "place" and 12 would go home with no win. I will be the first to say that I do not understand the point system of the AKC, and it looks like now I have more research to do. Thank you for the suggestion to read about it.

Here is a quote that I found on another thread that addresses what Cindy pointed out about AKC dogs being shown in different places in the country in order to finish their dogs where the competition is not so difficult.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I've heard that Majors have been difficult on the East Coast. Not here in the Central States. A no longer Member of YT sent her dog out here and he finished in 7 shows, including breed from the classes and a Group 4. On the average I've finished my dogs in 6 - 7 months and maybe showing 1 weekend a month.

Specialty is a great place to learn..... the pace is very fast, intense and confusing. You have Sweeps on all day friday, beginning at 8 in the morning until late in the afternoon. NY Club all day Saturday and the Mother Club on Sunday. If you get to come, wear something that can I can pick out, I'd love to meet you.

I want to add that I am NOT dissing the AKC shows at all. I too realize that they are the "premium" shows to attend, both as an entrant and a spectator. The dedication. hard work and expense that it takes to show your dogs is overwhelming. I have enormous respect for anyone taking on that challenge -- regardless what registry they are showing in. I love to watch the Eukanuba and Westminster -- not only to get a glimpse of the gorgeous yorkies who are up for Best in Group -- but to enjoy the beauty and glory of ALL the breeds. I feel that the dogs who reach this level are truly the best of the best -- politics or not! And, maybe sometime in the future, I will have the pleasure of watching the Biewer there as well.

Please keep us informed of your accomplishments, as well as helping us to learn from your expertise. Good luck!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Toby'sMama

Hope to clear up some of your confusion, the show in California was an IABCA show, as Cindy stated, but the judges are AKC and CKC (Canadian). And I did see them pulling orange cards on less than standard dogs. You are correct that the AKC does not recognize the Biewer. Hopefully in the future, they will. There is also the possibility they never will. All breeds have had to "pay their dues" so to speak, in order to become an AKC sanctioned breed. Time will tell with the Biewer.

As far as "dogs showing up to get points" back in the early Yorkie show history, I would think that there were not as many dogs showing as there are today. As an example, the possibility that there were only 3 dogs showing, would they all "place" First, Second or Third? In today's ring, if there were 15 dogs showing, 3 dogs would "place" and 12 would go home with no win. I will be the first to say that I do not understand the point system of the AKC, and it looks like now I have more research to do. Thank you for the suggestion to read about it.

Here is a quote that I found on another thread that addresses what Cindy pointed out about AKC dogs being shown in different places in the country in order to finish their dogs where the competition is not so difficult.



I want to add that I am NOT dissing the AKC shows at all. I too realize that they are the "premium" shows to attend, both as an entrant and a spectator. The dedication. hard work and expense that it takes to show your dogs is overwhelming. I have enormous respect for anyone taking on that challenge -- regardless what registry they are showing in. I love to watch the Eukanuba and Westminster -- not only to get a glimpse of the gorgeous yorkies who are up for Best in Group -- but to enjoy the beauty and glory of ALL the breeds. I feel that the dogs who reach this level are truly the best of the best -- politics or not! And, maybe sometime in the future, I will have the pleasure of watching the Biewer there as well.

Please keep us informed of your accomplishments, as well as helping us to learn from your expertise. Good luck!

Yes, a friend of mine did send her dog to central states to be finished. However, her reasons were not because she couldn't finish him where she lived. She'd only shown 1 or maybe twice. She became with child and couldn't show him.....had a handler in line and it didn't work out, so she sent the dog to a handler in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma, Texas, NM division is one of the toughest to finish your dog. So, you must have a great representative of the breed before thinking about entering the ring. By the way the dog she sent is a wonderful speciman of the breed and will be campaigned as a special.....that's how nice he is. His finishing in 3 consecutive weekends is not done everyday......

Oh! There are 4 placing ribbons in each class in AKC, a WD, WD, RWD, RWB, BOB, BOW and BOS. And I have seen AKC judges withold ribbons.

[Toby'sMama]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yes, a friend of mine did send her dog to central states to be finished. However, her reasons were not because she couldn't finish him where she lived. She'd only shown 1 or maybe twice. She became with child and couldn't show him.....had a handler in line and it didn't work out, so she sent the dog to a handler in Oklahoma. The Oklahoma, Texas, NM division is one of the toughest to finish your dog. So, you must have a great representative of the breed before thinking about entering the ring. By the way the dog she sent is a wonderful speciman of the breed and will be campaigned as a special.....that's how nice he is. His finishing in 3 consecutive weekends is not done everyday......

Oh! There are 4 placing ribbons in each class in AKC, a WD, WD, RWD, RWB, BOB, BOW and BOS. And I have seen AKC judges withold ribbons.

Please don't think that I was in any questioning the quality of the dog! I believe that a dog to have accomplished what he did in any amount of shows, has got to be a wonderful speciman of the breed. In the quote that I used -- you said that you had "...heard that Majors have been difficult on the East Coast. Not here in the Central States." Maybe I misinterpreted it wrong, but my understanding of this comment was that there was some reason why it was easier to finish in the Central States -- possibly not as many dogs in the ring?

Would you mind sharing the name of this dog -- as I am sure there are many of us Yorkie Fanciers who would love to watch his progression, and maybe we can see him win the Eukanuba or Westminster shows in the near future!

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Toby'sMama

Please don't think that I was in any questioning the quality of the dog! I believe that a dog to have accomplished what he did in any amount of shows, has got to be a wonderful speciman of the breed. In the quote that I used -- you said that you had "...heard that Majors have been difficult on the East Coast. Not here in the Central States." Maybe I misinterpreted it wrong, but my understanding of this comment was that there was some reason why it was easier to finish in the Central States -- possibly not as many dogs in the ring?

Would you mind sharing the name of this dog -- as I am sure there are many of us Yorkie Fanciers who would love to watch his progression, and maybe we can see him win the Eukanuba or Westminster shows in the near future!

Thank you again for sharing your knowledge!

The reason it is getting difficult to finish a dog on the East Coast is because of the requirement of 2 Majors and Majors keep on breaking...due to dogs being entered and not showing. More dog shows and dogs seem to appear here in this region and the traveling distance is not as difficult.

I wish I could but, it wouldn't be ethical without obtaining his owner's permission.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The reason it is getting difficult to finish a dog on the East Coast is because of the requirement of 2 Majors and Majors keep on breaking...due to dogs being entered and not showing. More dog shows and dogs seem to appear here in this region and the traveling distance is not as difficult.

I wish I could but, it wouldn't be ethical without obtaining his owner's permission.

In order to have a 3 point major here in Va. you have to have 9 dogs competing, I believe it's 16 for a 5 point. If you'll look up past entries for the last 4 years you'll find that that only happens occationally in the more populated areas (like Manasses last year). Guess I'll be heading North this year. The requirements for bitches are even higher, go figure!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

In order to have a 3 point major here in Va. you have to have 9 dogs competing, I believe it's 16 for a 5 point. If you'll look up past entries for the last 4 years you'll find that that only happens occationally in the more populated areas (like Manasses last year). Guess I'll be heading North this year. The requirements for bitches are even higher, go figure!

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In this region its 8 dogs and 10 bitches for a 3 point Major.....but, the shows are there every weekend and in closer proximity. I've been lucky and alot is luck....I finished my last 2 boys with 3 back-to-back-to back 3 & 4 point Majors