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k2p1e · 08-30-2006, 07:05 PM

This is quite frustrating! lol, I posted before that I am in no hurry to find a show yorkie, I am determined to find one that is what I am looking for and I refuse to "settle" for another.
So..I have talked to some great breeders in Canada, got some great tips. But I know how helpful it would be to find a breed "near" me. HA!! One is about 500 miles away but they have a great reputation in the show ring, so I thought I would if given the opportunity travel to go see them. After briefly speaking with me they said they cannot help a newbie they are too busy. I can accept that...
The next breeder in my province shows (they do not have the type of yorkies I prefer but I thought i could learn from them), I tried to speak with them after they were finished showing, nope! Flat out rude. I emailed, no response. So, I phoned them. (I made this contact about a month apart each attempt) They were blunt and said they would not help cause they did not want the competition. I could learn on my own as they did. Yikes!
So, my question is it possible to learn the art of showing a yorkie online. I have only showed my mother's dog once (std. poodle pup) and became instantly addicted to the show ring!

My other issue is I have small children. Majority of show breeders will not allow their puppies in a home with small kids (I can understand). Is it a waste of my time trying to convince them otherwise (I really do not want to plead and coax a breeder, I prefer they be pleased with our home, I would feel awkward trying to convince them).
I have two pet yorkies, Reggie and Kenzie and they have never been injured from my children, we have strict rules in our house regarding their safety, and actually some one here had a good laugh the last time I posted because I explained how my kids have baby gates keeping them in the playroom (former living room but we just renovated) and the yorkies have the run of the house.

One breeder emailed me back and told me I need to wait 18 years till my youngest graduates before she would consider me (ouch...).

I am hitting some brick walls I think, or is this just a stepping stone. Has anyone gone through similar experiences to this?

Timmy · 08-30-2006, 07:10 PM

Sorry I can't help you....but omg you are really having a hard time.
What got me is when your child turns 18 I have a 16 yr old and he does not run around the house. He is more mature than that.

Anyway good luck and I hope you find a show baby soon!

doortego · 08-30-2006, 07:13 PM

Sorry you are not getting a welcome from the show world.

k2p1e · 08-30-2006, 07:21 PM

LOL, I should have expected this! When I wanted to learn about dog shows and asked my mom if I could use her pup, I started claling aorund for handling classes. Well they were not overly receptive. So, we showed up. I was so proud of him, he behaved quite well, some of the other pups were bouncing off the walls. But we were somewhat clueless about what to do, even though we read everything we could get our hands on (it is so different to read and then do it).
They were very rude to us (the instructors and some of the students, there were some students that were lovely to us) and kept critisizing (which I wanted!!) but confusing. When ever i asked a question they said it was an advanced question and SOMEDAY I would know the answer...argh!!!
Well when I took him to get groomer the groomer (who also is a handler) showed us what to do cause the instructor taught us wrong!! (the stack was off, she told us to walk SLOWLY, never use bait never look at your dog...)
At the show I though th instructor who was also showing would speak with us, NOPE!! She acted like she never saw us before.
I watched so carefully and talked to everyone and learned so much in one day.

It takes all kinds of people to make a world...

k2p1e · 08-30-2006, 07:24 PM

My boys are YOUNG, Peter is 2 years and Charlie just turned one month yesterday. One of my rokies Reggie has claimed Peter, he follows him around, he sits ouside the gates when Peter is in there, sits under his chair at meals, and when it is time for bed sits outsdie his doorway till he falls asleep. Once Peter is asleep, Reggie comes down stairs. Peter has learned that Reggie will play fetch forever, so the game is always going...the ball gets thrown into the kitchen, Reggie gets it and brings it back and pushes it under the gate, and agian ad aaing...Sorry for getting so off track!

MyTrixie143 · 08-31-2006, 01:30 AM

Sorry about your experience and I am sorry that I can't help you. I don't show my dogs, atleast not professionally, I did a couple of small shows a long time ago and it is just something that does not interest me at the time. I am more interested in competing in obedience and agility. When I am older and have all my goals and priorities set straight, I do plan on showing then, but that is a long time from now.
There are some show breeders who can be really rude and not wanting to help you out at all or you have to meet their exact qualifications before they will help you. You just have to find the right show breeder that is very nice and willing to help you get started. They seem to be harder to find then the rude ones.
I hope you can find someone that you can work with, don't ever give up, it takes time to find what you are looking for. Good luck with your search, I hope it starts getting better for you!!!

Simmy84 · 08-31-2006, 02:34 AM

I´m very sorry for you, but I can tell you it is nearly the same here in Europe! I was lucky when I met the breeder of my little girl, but before I asked several wellknown breeders for their help and a good show dog. One I phoned told me I should become member of the club, stay there 5 years and then maybe I could get a dog from her( till now my girl bet bitches of her everytime in the ring:-)) ). It is really difficult I know, hope you will find one nice breeder soon!!! My breeder took me to shows with her and even gave me her dogs to handle so that I can learn how to do. I was really lucky to have such a mentor!

Mardelin · 08-31-2006, 02:52 AM

So sorry you've had a problem. I got the bug about 5 years ago. Went to dog shows to help out, joined a Specialty club, met and talked to beeders. This I did to show breeders I was serious about it. Once I decided the breeder I would approach for a show dog, it took me about another year and half before she entrusted me with one of her breeding.

Yes, the one diffuclty you will encounter is that reputable breeders will not even consider letting their breeding go to a house with young children and they do have to get to know you and trust you before letting you have one of their show dogs. The other thing is that most breeders, breed for themselves 1st and very rarely have a show dog to sell.

k2p1e · 08-31-2006, 05:59 AM

That is very true!! I do not blame them for keeping their pups.Here in NB it is pretty rare that there are ever yorkies in the ring. Now and then and usually from the same person. And they only show against their own dogs (they bring 3 of their dogs, and they stop showing once they get their ch.) they are only in the ring a few times a year.

Betty Anne Durrer had offered me male to show but I had a few issues...Laurie Hunter of Nik Nak told me to start with a female, and Betty Anne said he was very shy, more shy then she preferred. He did not have the "terrier spirit". That si something I feel is also important. Maybe I am looking for too much, but it is my concern that they also fit in with our family. THis is a long term commitment. A timid little guy would not do well with my two spirited yorkies (I think the fit the term big dog in little body to a T).

This is definitely a learning process!!

Mardelin · 08-31-2006, 06:16 AM

Betty Anne has beautiful dogs. I prefer showing dogs over females. They are much more consistent and willing to please. Females you have to contend with their SEASONS and most all of them lose their brains at that time. Yes, attitude is very important, if you have one with a timid personality, you're gonna have problems in getting them to show. Since you've bridged the communication gap with Betty Anne, you should keep it open and request that she keep you in mind for that next show potential that she can't show. I'm sure she'd be willing to mentor you and even pick the perfect yorkie for you.

Saleswman · 08-31-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by k2p1e

That is very true!! I do not blame them for keeping their pups.Here in NB it is pretty rare that there are ever yorkies in the ring. Now and then and usually from the same person. And they only show against their own dogs (they bring 3 of their dogs, and they stop showing once they get their ch.) they are only in the ring a few times a year.

Betty Anne Durrer had offered me male to show but I had a few issues...Laurie Hunter of Nik Nak told me to start with a female, and Betty Anne said he was very shy, more shy then she preferred. He did not have the "terrier spirit". That si something I feel is also important. Maybe I am looking for too much, but it is my concern that they also fit in with our family. THis is a long term commitment. A timid little guy would not do well with my two spirited yorkies (I think the fit the term big dog in little body to a T).

This is definitely a learning process!!

I tell you......the fact the you got either of those two show ladies to even talk to you is impressive......I have emailed them both over the last year and never got a response.....maybe I will move to Canada....LOL

They both have nice dogs...... but, everyone is new once in their life....

Good luck.....see you in the ring.....

yorkykisses · 08-31-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Saleswman

I tell you......the fact the you got either of those two show ladies to even talk to you is impressive......I have emailed them both over the last year and never got a response.....maybe I will move to Canada....LOL

They both have nice dogs...... but, everyone is new once in their life....

Good luck.....see you in the ring.....

Both of you hang in there and do not give up on your dreams. Your determination will get you to where you want to be.

I am sure one day in the near future you both will be posting pictures of your show prospects. At that time all of us can drool over them!

k2p1e · 09-01-2006, 08:37 AM

I hope so, but in the mean time I am researching everything I can. I am looking in to what products are best and will start buying (yes, even with no dog but but I will be ready!).

Laurie told me to call her I did and she answered and Betty Anne emailed me back several times. I was so tempted to take Omar, he was so beautiful...

Mardelin · 09-01-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by k2p1e

I hope so, but in the mean time I am researching everything I can. I am looking in to what products are best and will start buying (yes, even with no dog but but I will be ready!).

Laurie told me to call her I did and she answered and Betty Anne emailed me back several times. I was so tempted to take Omar, he was so beautiful...

You're going about it the right way. I had all my equipment before I had my 1st show dog. I just didn't want to be bogged down with an added expense after bringing home my future Champion.

k2p1e · 09-01-2006, 08:51 AM

I would rather be ready then sit here and think well gee should I use this on her coat?? Maybe I should get that...but what do i use in the mean time...
I prefer to be over prepared.

Lol we just bought new furniture for our living room and it is a bit too high...Kenzie can jump like a gazelle but Reggie is more timid (and he is the larger yorkie), so hubby is making them stairs for the couch...although my little son figured out a solution lickety split, he pushed his little foam couch (children size) up agaisnt the couch and now they have a little step!

But we figured that whenever a new puppy comes no matter what the age, we want to ensure safety!

08-30-2006, 07:05 PM	#1
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	Grrr...not so helpful breeder... This is quite frustrating! lol, I posted before that I am in no hurry to find a show yorkie, I am determined to find one that is what I am looking for and I refuse to "settle" for another. So..I have talked to some great breeders in Canada, got some great tips. But I know how helpful it would be to find a breed "near" me. HA!! One is about 500 miles away but they have a great reputation in the show ring, so I thought I would if given the opportunity travel to go see them. After briefly speaking with me they said they cannot help a newbie they are too busy. I can accept that... The next breeder in my province shows (they do not have the type of yorkies I prefer but I thought i could learn from them), I tried to speak with them after they were finished showing, nope! Flat out rude. I emailed, no response. So, I phoned them. (I made this contact about a month apart each attempt) They were blunt and said they would not help cause they did not want the competition. I could learn on my own as they did. Yikes! So, my question is it possible to learn the art of showing a yorkie online. I have only showed my mother's dog once (std. poodle pup) and became instantly addicted to the show ring! My other issue is I have small children. Majority of show breeders will not allow their puppies in a home with small kids (I can understand). Is it a waste of my time trying to convince them otherwise (I really do not want to plead and coax a breeder, I prefer they be pleased with our home, I would feel awkward trying to convince them). I have two pet yorkies, Reggie and Kenzie and they have never been injured from my children, we have strict rules in our house regarding their safety, and actually some one here had a good laugh the last time I posted because I explained how my kids have baby gates keeping them in the playroom (former living room but we just renovated) and the yorkies have the run of the house. One breeder emailed me back and told me I need to wait 18 years till my youngest graduates before she would consider me (ouch...). I am hitting some brick walls I think, or is this just a stepping stone. Has anyone gone through similar experiences to this?

08-31-2006, 01:30 AM	#6
MyTrixie143 Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,409	Sorry about your experience and I am sorry that I can't help you. I don't show my dogs, atleast not professionally, I did a couple of small shows a long time ago and it is just something that does not interest me at the time. I am more interested in competing in obedience and agility. When I am older and have all my goals and priorities set straight, I do plan on showing then, but that is a long time from now. There are some show breeders who can be really rude and not wanting to help you out at all or you have to meet their exact qualifications before they will help you. You just have to find the right show breeder that is very nice and willing to help you get started. They seem to be harder to find then the rude ones. I hope you can find someone that you can work with, don't ever give up, it takes time to find what you are looking for. Good luck with your search, I hope it starts getting better for you!!! __________________ A dog is a furry person! http://www.dogster.com/?300866 Tracey and the gang DestinyHarmonyScamperGracieLillieKiwi Hershey Peppi

08-31-2006, 02:34 AM	#7
Simmy84 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live in the South of germany, in Bavaria Posts: 147	I´m very sorry for you, but I can tell you it is nearly the same here in Europe! I was lucky when I met the breeder of my little girl, but before I asked several wellknown breeders for their help and a good show dog. One I phoned told me I should become member of the club, stay there 5 years and then maybe I could get a dog from her( till now my girl bet bitches of her everytime in the ring:-)) ). It is really difficult I know, hope you will find one nice breeder soon!!! My breeder took me to shows with her and even gave me her dogs to handle so that I can learn how to do. I was really lucky to have such a mentor! __________________ Simone and the Little Guardian´s Yorkies www.little-guardians.de

08-30-2006, 07:10 PM	#2
Timmy Mimi & Gabby too! Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vineland, NJ Posts: 3,208	Sorry I can't help you....but omg you are really having a hard time. What got me is when your child turns 18 I have a 16 yr old and he does not run around the house. He is more mature than that. Anyway good luck and I hope you find a show baby soon!

08-30-2006, 07:13 PM	#3
doortego Little Bit & Buttons Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 2,160	Sorry you are not getting a welcome from the show world.

08-30-2006, 07:21 PM	#4
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	LOL, I should have expected this! When I wanted to learn about dog shows and asked my mom if I could use her pup, I started claling aorund for handling classes. Well they were not overly receptive. So, we showed up. I was so proud of him, he behaved quite well, some of the other pups were bouncing off the walls. But we were somewhat clueless about what to do, even though we read everything we could get our hands on (it is so different to read and then do it). They were very rude to us (the instructors and some of the students, there were some students that were lovely to us) and kept critisizing (which I wanted!!) but confusing. When ever i asked a question they said it was an advanced question and SOMEDAY I would know the answer...argh!!! Well when I took him to get groomer the groomer (who also is a handler) showed us what to do cause the instructor taught us wrong!! (the stack was off, she told us to walk SLOWLY, never use bait never look at your dog...) At the show I though th instructor who was also showing would speak with us, NOPE!! She acted like she never saw us before. I watched so carefully and talked to everyone and learned so much in one day. It takes all kinds of people to make a world...

08-30-2006, 07:24 PM	#5
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	My boys are YOUNG, Peter is 2 years and Charlie just turned one month yesterday. One of my rokies Reggie has claimed Peter, he follows him around, he sits ouside the gates when Peter is in there, sits under his chair at meals, and when it is time for bed sits outsdie his doorway till he falls asleep. Once Peter is asleep, Reggie comes down stairs. Peter has learned that Reggie will play fetch forever, so the game is always going...the ball gets thrown into the kitchen, Reggie gets it and brings it back and pushes it under the gate, and agian ad aaing...Sorry for getting so off track!

08-31-2006, 02:52 AM	#8
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	So sorry you've had a problem. I got the bug about 5 years ago. Went to dog shows to help out, joined a Specialty club, met and talked to beeders. This I did to show breeders I was serious about it. Once I decided the breeder I would approach for a show dog, it took me about another year and half before she entrusted me with one of her breeding. Yes, the one diffuclty you will encounter is that reputable breeders will not even consider letting their breeding go to a house with young children and they do have to get to know you and trust you before letting you have one of their show dogs. The other thing is that most breeders, breed for themselves 1st and very rarely have a show dog to sell.

08-31-2006, 05:59 AM	#9
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	That is very true!! I do not blame them for keeping their pups.Here in NB it is pretty rare that there are ever yorkies in the ring. Now and then and usually from the same person. And they only show against their own dogs (they bring 3 of their dogs, and they stop showing once they get their ch.) they are only in the ring a few times a year. Betty Anne Durrer had offered me male to show but I had a few issues...Laurie Hunter of Nik Nak told me to start with a female, and Betty Anne said he was very shy, more shy then she preferred. He did not have the "terrier spirit". That si something I feel is also important. Maybe I am looking for too much, but it is my concern that they also fit in with our family. THis is a long term commitment. A timid little guy would not do well with my two spirited yorkies (I think the fit the term big dog in little body to a T). This is definitely a learning process!!

08-31-2006, 06:16 AM	#10
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	Betty Anne has beautiful dogs. I prefer showing dogs over females. They are much more consistent and willing to please. Females you have to contend with their SEASONS and most all of them lose their brains at that time. Yes, attitude is very important, if you have one with a timid personality, you're gonna have problems in getting them to show. Since you've bridged the communication gap with Betty Anne, you should keep it open and request that she keep you in mind for that next show potential that she can't show. I'm sure she'd be willing to mentor you and even pick the perfect yorkie for you.

09-01-2006, 08:37 AM	#13
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	I hope so, but in the mean time I am researching everything I can. I am looking in to what products are best and will start buying (yes, even with no dog but but I will be ready!). Laurie told me to call her I did and she answered and Betty Anne emailed me back several times. I was so tempted to take Omar, he was so beautiful...

09-01-2006, 08:51 AM	#15
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	I would rather be ready then sit here and think well gee should I use this on her coat?? Maybe I should get that...but what do i use in the mean time... I prefer to be over prepared. Lol we just bought new furniture for our living room and it is a bit too high...Kenzie can jump like a gazelle but Reggie is more timid (and he is the larger yorkie), so hubby is making them stairs for the couch...although my little son figured out a solution lickety split, he pushed his little foam couch (children size) up agaisnt the couch and now they have a little step! But we figured that whenever a new puppy comes no matter what the age, we want to ensure safety!