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AngelMia · 03-09-2006, 09:05 AM

I'm hoping someone here can help me on what am I took look for in a yorkie pup for showing. How soon can I identify or see the potential in them.

Thanks,
Liza

Snow Yorkies · 03-09-2006, 09:28 AM

Liza I am no expert here by any means but you will look to see if they meet the standard. They should have a good ear set, bite, topline and tail set, coat texture and coloring. To name a few quailites that you will want to eval. your yorkie against.

AngelMia · 03-09-2006, 09:35 AM

Thanks Sue, the topline is one of the things that concern me. How soon can I see it's correct? I've heard they're breeders that hold on to the pup past 6 months to determine if they have potential or not how true is this?

Lorraine · 03-09-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelMia

Thanks Sue, the topline is one of the things that concern me. How soon can I see it's correct? I've heard they're breeders that hold on to the pup past 6 months to determine if they have potential or not how true is this?

You are absolutely correct, to determine show quality they should definitely be over 6 months. 9 months or more is better. The reason is that in Yorkies in particular you not only have the structure, movement, conformation, also you have coat type and colour and size of the mature Yorkie to worry about. Even at 9 months, there is a risk there could be colour change that it goes too light or you could get running gold into the blue. Size at 9 months is usually much more precise by then whether it is too big or small. You want to be sure the head is going to clear colour to a varigated tan.
An earset doesn't usually change except the ear themselves can suddenly flop when teeth are coming in, either baby teeth as a baby or second teeth that usually erupt once they are 5 or 6 months of age. Toplines that start out good on a very young pup don't usually go off. If it does, often it will come back again as the growth continues to a mature dog.

AngelMia · 03-09-2006, 01:52 PM

Thanks a bunch Lorraine, there is so much to learn! I'm just starting to get my feet wet, I just recieved a little girl from Germany, looks good but only time will tell. Hopefully I can show her when she turns 6 months.

YorkieGeorge · 03-09-2006, 04:28 PM

Your little Girl is beautiful!!!

YorkieRose · 03-09-2006, 04:36 PM

Photo's are so hard to judge but she looks like she has alot of potential...may I ask if that is a full tail?

AngelMia · 03-09-2006, 04:42 PM

Yes you may! and yes it is. Unfortunately it is and I have heard that it is a big draw back in the ring. Would this be true?

YorkieRose · 03-09-2006, 04:46 PM

Yes,, I am sorry to say it will be an uphill battle. You might PM Goldenray or Blumoon and ask their opinion, but I do not see any with tails win...infact I have seen few entered.

AngelMia · 03-09-2006, 04:47 PM

Thank You!

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Originally Posted by YorkieGeorge

Your little Girl is beautiful!!!

Baron · 03-09-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelMia

Yes you may! and yes it is. Unfortunately it is and I have heard that it is a big draw back in the ring. Would this be true?

Below is the standard here for the tail in the show ring. Until the standard is changed a dog with a full tail will not win.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level
of the back

May I ask how old she is? Is there any white showing yet in her head?

AngelMia · 03-09-2006, 06:09 PM

She's 11 wks old and a slight lighter on the roots of the head. Why?

BlumoonYorkies · 03-09-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelMia

She's 11 wks old and a slight lighter on the roots of the head. Why?

You had her posting in the above picture so it is to hard to tell topline. But running around it best be level at this time or it will not ever be. We look at them from 8 weeks to 12 weeks judging them. Some we can tell at 8 weeks or sooner that it is not what we want for show. Let's say all is well at 12 weeks. Then we wait and watch and train for another couple of months. Once I take them out to training classes I watch them develope as this will let me know what to expect out of their children if I keep this one for show. MOST of the time males do not go off in the topline but girls can ever so slightly.
You also will be watching leg growth during this time. Fronts can come up first throwing the topline off for short period til the back catches up. As far as the tail goes if your serious about showing her it needs to be docked here and soon. Also why did you go to Germany for a show yorkie? Did they gaurentee this to be show? I just saw a foreign dog in the show ring not to long ago and it was excused. It could not hardly walk. I do believe most of your show breeders here breed for your best structures. As this is very important at the shows here. And we want our tails up when they are moving across the floor. All puppies should have good color, as it grows is when you can tell more of what shade of blue you do have. How much does she weigh now? And how is her movement when she is out running and playing. Floating or smaller quick steps.

DazzlinYT · 03-09-2006, 10:25 PM

I have noticed a lot of eurpean dogs have especially bad fronts.. I discussed this with a european friend of mine who said the main concern over there was head and coats, and their ability to make it around the ring without limping. I found this to be quite sad. To me the cake just isn't a cake without the CAKE..sure we need the icing or we wouldn't spend so much time on it, but without something to put the icing on, we'd just have a sticky gooey mess.

YorkieRini · 03-10-2006, 04:42 AM

She's adorable Liza!

I can't judge her in person let alone the pics..lolol. To a newbie from a newbie, what I would is start her in handling classes, meanwhile look for shows that offer puppy classes. I believe I've seen some have puppy matches for puppies younger than 6 months. Look at the IABCA's Classes list. Take her to KY with your for the experience and for a hands on opinion. I would just take her to whatever classes you can to gain experience if she's not finishable, you'll find out while you gain experience yourself. That's what I'm trying to do with Foster.

Best wishes!
Irene

03-09-2006, 09:05 AM	#1
AngelMia Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 206	Potential show pups? I'm hoping someone here can help me on what am I took look for in a yorkie pup for showing. How soon can I identify or see the potential in them. Thanks, Liza

03-09-2006, 09:28 AM	#2
Snow Yorkies Biewer Passionate Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern AL Posts: 1,668	Liza I am no expert here by any means but you will look to see if they meet the standard. They should have a good ear set, bite, topline and tail set, coat texture and coloring. To name a few quailites that you will want to eval. your yorkie against. __________________ Dare to Dream Biewers Charter Member of BYTNC

03-09-2006, 04:36 PM	#7
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	potential Photo's are so hard to judge but she looks like she has alot of potential...may I ask if that is a full tail? __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

03-09-2006, 04:46 PM	#9
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	tail Yes,, I am sorry to say it will be an uphill battle. You might PM Goldenray or Blumoon and ask their opinion, but I do not see any with tails win...infact I have seen few entered. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

03-09-2006, 10:25 PM	#14
DazzlinYT YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TN Posts: 461	I have noticed a lot of eurpean dogs have especially bad fronts.. I discussed this with a european friend of mine who said the main concern over there was head and coats, and their ability to make it around the ring without limping. I found this to be quite sad. To me the cake just isn't a cake without the CAKE..sure we need the icing or we wouldn't spend so much time on it, but without something to put the icing on, we'd just have a sticky gooey mess. __________________ Becki & The Dazzlin' Yorkies

03-09-2006, 09:35 AM	#3
AngelMia Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 206	Thanks Sue, the topline is one of the things that concern me. How soon can I see it's correct? I've heard they're breeders that hold on to the pup past 6 months to determine if they have potential or not how true is this?

03-09-2006, 04:28 PM	#6
YorkieGeorge Donating YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 704	Your little Girl is beautiful!!!

03-09-2006, 04:42 PM	#8
AngelMia Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 206	Yes you may! and yes it is. Unfortunately it is and I have heard that it is a big draw back in the ring. Would this be true?

03-09-2006, 06:09 PM	#12
AngelMia Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 206	She's 11 wks old and a slight lighter on the roots of the head. Why?

03-10-2006, 04:42 AM	#15
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	She's adorable Liza! I can't judge her in person let alone the pics..lolol. To a newbie from a newbie, what I would is start her in handling classes, meanwhile look for shows that offer puppy classes. I believe I've seen some have puppy matches for puppies younger than 6 months. Look at the IABCA's Classes list. Take her to KY with your for the experience and for a hands on opinion. I would just take her to whatever classes you can to gain experience if she's not finishable, you'll find out while you gain experience yourself. That's what I'm trying to do with Foster. Best wishes! Irene __________________ Irene www.stellaryorkies.com "Live everyday as it if it were your last!"