question about my puppy's blood lines

[balefirejr]

i got a new pup and i want to know if his blood lines are healthy and over all good quality these are the lines i could pick out of the pedigree. he is from a show breeder can somebody tell me about these lines

beltran. ozmilion

guemart. parksides

virreyna. pastoral

polanerduin

linas toys

[bjh]

You really should have a serious discussion with the breeder of you puppy about any health issues in the lines. No line is perfect. I have heard of problems with some of the lines you mentioned but that does not mean your puppy would have any of those problems. Anyone who breeds dogs will have problems sooner or later. Some breedings are just a bad match and it is impossible to predict when problems might pop up.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by bjh

You really should have a serious discussion with the breeder of you puppy about any health issues in the lines. No line is perfect. I have heard of problems with some of the lines you mentioned but that does not mean your puppy would have any of those problems. Anyone who breeds dogs will have problems sooner or later. Some breedings are just a bad match and it is impossible to predict when problems might pop up.

Breeders must know what they can mix and what can not/should not be combined. You can have two completely healthy dogs, but when you breed them, stuff in their background is like trying to mix gas and water...it does not work well!! This is why either YOU or your breeder must be trusted and knowledgable about pedigrees and what mixes and what does not mix....that will ensure your puppies are healthy. Also, no doubling up or breeding back before 6-9 generations, just to be safe....EXPERIENCED breeders can do this but not for newbies.

[balefirejr]

all the breeder tells me is the lines are healthy.i dont understand breeding back before 9 generacions what does that mean? his lines are really mixed is that normal? i am asking because i was planning on breeding him but i dont want to breed unhealthy puppies

[Sunnie]

your best indication of your dog's breedability is to prepare him for showing and see where he stands. The purpose of showing is to determine your dogs suitability to breed. If he does well in the show ring that is a much better indication than his lines. All of the lines you posted have excellent dogs, but they also have many that are not so excellent. Find a mentor and see how your dog stacks up

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

your best indication of your dog's breedability is to prepare him for showing and see where he stands. The purpose of showing is to determine your dogs suitability to breed. If he does well in the show ring that is a much better indication than his lines. All of the lines you posted have excellent dogs, but they also have many that are not so excellent. Find a mentor and see how your dog stacks up

[balefirejr]

i am thinking in showing him but not sure yet he is 5 months old

[balefirejr]

does anybody know how i can research if his lines are healthy

[balefirejr]

would you show him?

[bjh]

Is this the same pup from your other post that said he was 7 lbs at 4 month of age? If so then I would say he will be to big for show but I could be wrong. Judging from the pictures he looks like he could have potential but only time will tell. They grow and change a lot as they get older.

As for his lines being healthy or not, there is no way of knowing for sure. All lines have some problems sooner or later. Most show breeders just show and breed their finest dogs and when they have a breeding that does not work out they just learn from it and move on. They don't go around discussing it publicly. You have to depend on the breeder of your dog to be honest about any problems that have encountered.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by bjh

Is this the same pup from your other post that said he was 7 lbs at 4 month of age? If so then I would say he will be to big for show but I could be wrong. Judging from the pictures he looks like he could have potential but only time will tell. They grow and change a lot as they get older.

As for his lines being healthy or not, there is no way of knowing for sure. All lines have some problems sooner or later. Most show breeders just show and breed their finest dogs and when they have a breeding that does not work out they just learn from it and move on. They don't go around discussing it publicly. You have to depend on the breeder of your dog to be honest about any problems that have encountered.

I have a gorgeous Parquin male that I was grooming to show...Unfortunately, he blew right past the size "limit" and has matured into a gorgeous, personality plus, young man that weighs in at 15lbs!!!!! TOTALLY way too large and out of the question for showing!!!! I agree that your baby, at 16 weeks old and @ 7 lbs, would seem to be like he may blow past the weight limit for an "ideal example for the Yorkie breed", which is what showing/breeding is all about.

The second part of your question/statement, was also beautifully addressed....a breeder will not publically enthusiastically critique her attempts at perfection in her dogs.....you breed what your knowledge of your lines has indicated to you will produce the best of a breed, and you just sell the ones that come up short.....and those "that come up short", are usually stunning dogs to an untrained eye!!! The breeder learns from that breeding that did not work out for her, and she makes adjustments.

I would advise you to make associations with breeder/showers, if that is the direction you are wanting to take. You have to know what you are even looking at, let alone what you need to have to mix together to get what you are wanting. You have to know what mixes and what does not mix.....and I think the only way you will get this, is to get right into the trenches and become a trusted exhibitor, to learn from association, the ins and outs and all the trials and errors. You have to be proven to be a trustworthy member of the "inner circle" before you will begin to see what actually goes on with breedings. This is why it takes so long to get this "done right"....

[balefirejr]

yes this is the puppy that was 7 pounds at 4 months i talked to the breeder and he said he garantied me he would not hit 7 1/2 pounds because his dogs get most of there adult weight from 3 to 5 months dont know how true this is.the only thing i can't get is for his ears to come completely erect any suggestions? we want to get into showing thats why i got the puppy and breeding.and how light would you say is to light for the show ring in color? sorry about having to ask so many questions i gust don't know anybody to ask for know

[bjh]

Originally Posted by balefirejr

yes this is the puppy that was 7 pounds at 4 months i talked to the breeder and he said he garantied me he would not hit 7 1/2 pounds because his dogs get most of there adult weight from 3 to 5 months dont know how true this is.the only thing i can't get is for his ears to come completely erect any suggestions? we want to get into showing thats why i got the puppy and breeding.and how light would you say is to light for the show ring in color? sorry about having to ask so many questions i gust don't know anybody to ask for know

Honestly, I would be shocked if he just stops growing. His ears look pretty erect in the pictures. Just keep them shaved and they should come up.
It is hard to say what to light is for the show ring. You can go to any show where there are lots of yorkies and you will see many different shades of blue and gold. Some of them are dyed so it is hard to say what their true color is.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by balefirejr

yes this is the puppy that was 7 pounds at 4 months i talked to the breeder and he said he garantied me he would not hit 7 1/2 pounds because his dogs get most of there adult weight from 3 to 5 months dont know how true this is.the only thing i can't get is for his ears to come completely erect any suggestions? we want to get into showing thats why i got the puppy and breeding.and how light would you say is to light for the show ring in color? sorry about having to ask so many questions i gust don't know anybody to ask for know

This is why you need to hang around shows, in MY opinion, BEFORE you jump into this!! Ask questions of the breeders there showing.....you will learn sooooooo much more when you are standing right there, looking at the dogs, and talking with owners/breeders/showers, hands on the dogs....I just personally do not think you can learn even 1/8th of what you need to know, from on line chats.....you need to get into the trenches with the activity, looking and seeing and talking and getting first person advice, from pros standing there with the dogs! Talking with pros on a web site is a very limited success, to someone that has absolutely no experience/time on the ground around show dogs, dog shows, exhibitors, etc!

[gemy]

you can start with taking a handling class - with your local dog club. If you have a toy dog club nearby all the better.

Go to as many AKC shows as you can and if you can take your wee one with you.

I would be surprised if your pup stays at 7lbs of weight will likely go way past the breed standard.

Color I can't tell in the pic if his head has cleared - ie the head is all tan with no black hairs. Also if his tan markings are correct. In the pics you supplied it looks as if his coat on his torso back etc is black -

In terms of coloration of the steel blue - deep steel is preferred to silvery grayish tone. But I have seen that too in the ring.

Health of dogs and publishing the health results is a goal I had hoped more breeders would want to do.

I would have a sit down with your breeder and ask her specific questions about if she has experience or knowledge of the top ten health concerns of Yorkies. There is a stickey here on this.