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10-27-2014, 12:05 PM | #1 |
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10-29-2014, 02:40 PM | #2 |
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| Those full tails should go over like a lead balloon on this board. PS I happen to like the long tails, but there's this Nancy person on here who will soon come by to re-educate you.
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10-29-2014, 02:58 PM | #3 | |
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Those are all beautiful show dogs. I especially like the close up of that second dog with the lighter tan but all three are gorgeous. I don't know a single person on YT who doesn't love a Yorkie in any iteration. They are my favorite breed of dog and always look wonderful and have such adorable ways that grow on you the first moment you meet one.
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10-31-2014, 07:26 AM | #4 |
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| Thanks so much for sharing the video. I really enjoyed seeing all the beautiful yorkies. I love the long tails.
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10-31-2014, 08:07 AM | #5 | |
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Also, you are wrong about my dislike for long tails, I didn't like a docked tail until I saw enough pictures on Yorkietalk, now I think both are fine, but this isn't about beauty for me. I've had dogs from the pound most of my life and they all had long tails. I just think a breeder should follow standard that is my opinion, but if your heart tells you something else, then you should follow your heart, and there will be people who think you are wrong or won't allow you into their club, but if you have made the choice for the right reasons, those things won't bother you. Mike, thanks for the video, those dogs are gorgeous so are their tails, if the issue were based entirely on cosmetics or beauty, my personal bias is for an undocked tail after see that video!
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10-31-2014, 09:27 AM | #6 |
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| You are all so very welcome The more you see these full tails the more you get used to them. I personally like them more if they are balanced with the neck. They give a nice outline. |
10-31-2014, 10:07 AM | #7 |
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10-31-2014, 02:02 PM | #8 | |
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I'm sincerely happy you found the Yorkies in Mike's videos beautiful. I know some hard core traditionalists who would be too distracted by the tails to see how pretty the dogs are. Mike, the videos are stunning. I also enjoyed the literature you and many others posted on the tail docking thread. Happy Halloween everyone!
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10-31-2014, 02:23 PM | #9 | ||
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The tail is proportionate to the neck. I will try to explain. Since tail docking was banned in many European countries, breeders had to deal with 2 new challenges : 1. The shape and 2. the length of the undocked tails. (Also the tail set but this was already an issue.) The standard asks for the tail : Quote:
Length, shape AND position of the tail (tail set). It also gives us a hint about balance appearance - outline. The straight and long undocked tail carried a little higher than the level of the back (ie 45 degrees) gives an unpleasant to the eye appearance resembling a much longer dog. A straight as possible and a bit short tail, in the correct position accompanied with the correct croup looks like the ideal according to the standard. For 100+ years we were breeding dogs with docked tails, unable to know what was the shape or the length of them. We didn't care. Now we have to deal with it. It will take time and commitment to breed the correct shape and length. Where are we at the moment? Since many excellent dogs have a curly tail (straight at the beginning and then curved forward) a new type is starting to grow into breeders. This "new" type of yorkies have their tails carried higher than 45 degrees (even 90 degrees) giving them a more compact appearance. When this type of tail is accompanied with a well laid back shoulder, level topline and compact proportions, it gives a pleasing to the eye appearance, even though its a bit off standard. Sometimes though, the tail set and the curve of the tail are so extreme that the tail almost touches the back. The curve of the tail is apparent in the first few inches. This effect hides the topline, the croup, upsets the overall outline and often is accompanied with a very long neck, resembling a completely different breed. Here is a link of the FCI World Dog Show 2014 held in Helsinki. You can see the different types of tails that I am referring to. | ||
10-31-2014, 02:37 PM | #10 | |
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The dogs are gorgeous, but I was surprised at how short their natural tails were. I see a lot of pet pictures and many have full tails and the length of those tails varies greatly, with some tails as long as their backs. That's why I was asking you if you took the tails length and width into consideration when breeding. If this is a rude question, then you'll have to explain why it's rude.
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10-31-2014, 02:43 PM | #11 | |
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10-31-2014, 03:18 PM | #12 |
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| Maybe this drawing will help No1 is the ideal. Natural short, carried at 45 degrees and as straight as possible. But very hard to find No2 is curled and carried at 90 degrees angle No3 has the correct carriage, is straight but is too long No4 is curled and carried more than 90 degrees, touching the back No5 is a complete different breed No6 has the correct carriage, is curled and is too long. |
10-31-2014, 03:24 PM | #13 | |
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I do not consider docking cruel and I will be very sad if it ever becomes a legal issue. Meanwhile, I want to appreciate any beautiful Yorkshire Terrier and not be distracted by tail length.
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10-31-2014, 03:29 PM | #14 | |
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10-31-2014, 03:33 PM | #15 | |
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Oh, I thought you didn't dock most of your dogs, I didn't realize you dock some. Did you read Mikes thoughts about his preferences towards certain tails, do you have an opinion on that?
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