AKC Grand Champion question

[MiaStar]

I guess I should know this, but I continue to be confused about how the points are aquired and tallied towards the Grand Champion.
I have a boy that recently finished with 15 points and 2 majors, and we have the AKC certificate in hand.
In order to accumulate additional points, does he have to be Best of Breed, and then get the same points as the winner's dog gets?
Along the same lines, in order to get majors, is it BOB over the winner's dog, and then credited for the major?
Just trying to decide whether it is worth the time and expense going for his Grand Championship, or to concentrate on the next show prospect.

[weeloves06]

HI I am not an expert on the grand champion pts, however, I do know some of it. The Champion only goes in BOB competition, they do not take away points from the other class dogs.

BOB is where all the winning class dogs go up against the Champions. The judge may award OS, and Select, which also gives the Champion pts towards the Grand championship.

If you go on AKC site you will find a section about Grand Champion pts etc, it helped me out in learning more about this title.

Hope this helped you and wishing you the very best of luck on going futher with your champion.

[gemy]

I still don't understand it all. And I may never before I die. lol.

But your boy does not have to get BOB to get Select pts. YOu can have BOB and Select dog even if BOB is a male. No Majors is total number of dogs defeated. If he didn't take BOB and BOB winner was male, subtract one from male tally.

Beyond that I wish you luck in sorting through the very long explanation that AKC offers.

[evenstar]

Grand Champion points are given to Best of Breed and Best Opposite (if they are champions) and to Select dog and bitch. The Best of Breed dog counts all of the Yorkies show. So say that if it takes 15 dogs to make a 5 point major and there are 6 class dogs, 5 class bitches, 2 dog specials and 2 bitch special - you received a 5 pt major(6+5+2+2= 15). If the BOS is a bitch and it takes 7 bitches to make a 3 pt major then, the BOS would receive a 3 pt major(5+2=7). Select Dog would receive a 3 pt major (6+1=7) Select Bitch would receive 2 pts (5+1=6)
Hope this helps.
Best of luck to you.
Charlie

Ask me about the 2012 Working Yorkie Group Calendar.

[weeloves06]

Thanks for helping out on explaining Charlie, you make it sound so easy. My dog has his 2 majors, and 18 pts for his grand. I will be getting the rest done this yr with him. Good luck to all out there going after Grand Champion Titles. I love showing in this Class so much fun.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Got this off the AKC website. Hope it helps.

Any champion which shall have won twenty-five points shall
become a Grand Champion of Record, if nine or more of said points shall have
been won at three shows with a rating of three or more Grand Championship
points each and under three different judges, and some one or more of the
balance of said points shall have been won under some other judge or judges
than the three judges referred to above and at least one Champion of Record
was defeated at three shows

[weeloves06]

MAGIC TOOK HIS LAST WIN FOR HIS GRAND CHAMPIONSHIP, JUST wanted to let you all know how exciting this is. It was so much fun to get his big win in FL and his title as Grand. I still am no expert on how to add up the pts for the grand title, but I can say in 8 shows I have my first grand champion and am darn proud to be able to post it.

So never give up, you can do it too. I do appreciate the information provided by those of you that have received this title too, it was very helpful.

With big smiles and lots of happiness, wishing you wins for your grand title too.

[abbey46923]

Congrats to you both for your GCH, I know you are on cloud nine right now.
Your dream has come true, Magic is such a beautful boy!!

[Brooklynn]

How To Figure Points If Your Champion Dog or Bitch Goes Best of Breed
Grand Championship points will be calculated according to the number of dogs competing in the regular classes, as well as dogs competing in Best of Breed competition.

A dog awarded BOB will be credited with the number of GCH points calculated for BOB or BOS whichever is greater.

If the judge elects to award GCH points to his BOB winner today, whether the BOB is a dog or a bitch, the BOB will receive 5 GCH points.





BOB (7 class dogs + 5 class bitches + 6 champions = 18 dogs for 5 pts)

TIPS: Veteran dogs or any other non-regular class dogs are not counted in determining points. All eligible entrants from non-regular classes can earn Grand Championship points. Any Champion dog from the regular or non-regular classes is not considered for the requirement to defeat at least one Champion of Record at three shows .

TIPS: When counting dogs in competition, you only count dogs present that are judged. Dogs that are disqualified, dismissed, excused, absentee or have all awards withheld do not count.


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How To Figure Points If Your Champion Dog or Bitch Goes Best of Opposite Sex
If the Judge elects to award GCH points to his BOS winner, we count all dogs of their sex competing.





BOS – dog (7 class dogs + 3 champion dogs = 10 dogs for 4 pts)
BOS – bitch (5 class bitches + 3 champion bitches = 8 bitches for 3 pts)


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How To Figure Points for Select Dog or Bitch
Now we move on to Select Dog and Select Bitch. These are new AKC terms created for use in the Grand Championship program. Here we count all dogs of the same sex defeated in the BOB and regular classes. Once again, it is entirely at the judge’s discretion to choose a Select Dog and/or a Select Bitch.





BOB – is a male
SD is chosen (10 dogs – 2 dogs = 8 dogs for 4 pts)
SB is chosen (8 bitches – 2 bitches = 6 bitches for 2 pts)

TIPS: SD/SB count all dogs competing of the same sex then subtract 2.
NOTE: You have to substract "2" of the same sex when going Select dog or bitch! It says it in the area I've put in bold

[Brooklynn]

How to count Grand Championship points at AKC Dog Shows
Print a PDF of this document

This document has been created for you by the American Kennel Club to help you understand the point schedule and how Grand Championship points are counted.

A dog must be (1) a Champion of Record or (2) have been transferred to BOB competition based upon the owners’ records of their having completed the requirements for a CH title to be eligible for Grand Championship (GCH) competition.

The American Kennel Club requires a dog to obtain a total of 25 points with three major wins (a major win is worth three points or higher) to become a Grand Champion. The majors must be won under three different judges and at least one other judge must award some of the remaining points – so you need to win under at least four different judges. Also at least one Champion of Record must be defeated at three of these shows.

Best of Breed – BOB
Best of Opposite Sex – BOS
Select Dog – SD
Select Bitch – SB

Remember, point schedules vary by show location. If you are not at the show, make certain you get the points schedule for the event region where your dog won. Refer to the Schedule of Points.

The Grand Championship (GCH) points awarded are determined by the same divisional point schedules that are used for the calculation of championship (CH) points.

Check the posted copies of the judge’s book before you leave the show to make certain your dog was marked correctly. Mistakes do happen! Also, verify that your dog’s AKC registration number is correct in the catalog. If it is not correct, let the superintendent know before you leave the show. In both cases, it's easier to make the correction on the day of the show rather than later.


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[weeloves06]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

How to count Grand Championship points at AKC Dog Shows
Print a PDF of this document

This document has been created for you by the American Kennel Club to help you understand the point schedule and how Grand Championship points are counted.

A dog must be (1) a Champion of Record or (2) have been transferred to BOB competition based upon the owners’ records of their having completed the requirements for a CH title to be eligible for Grand Championship (GCH) competition.

The American Kennel Club requires a dog to obtain a total of 25 points with three major wins (a major win is worth three points or higher) to become a Grand Champion. The majors must be won under three different judges and at least one other judge must award some of the remaining points – so you need to win under at least four different judges. Also at least one Champion of Record must be defeated at three of these shows.

Best of Breed – BOB
Best of Opposite Sex – BOS
Select Dog – SD
Select Bitch – SB

Remember, point schedules vary by show location. If you are not at the show, make certain you get the points schedule for the event region where your dog won. Refer to the Schedule of Points.

The Grand Championship (GCH) points awarded are determined by the same divisional point schedules that are used for the calculation of championship (CH) points.

Check the posted copies of the judge’s book before you leave the show to make certain your dog was marked correctly. Mistakes do happen! Also, verify that your dog’s AKC registration number is correct in the catalog. If it is not correct, let the superintendent know before you leave the show. In both cases, it's easier to make the correction on the day of the show rather than later.


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Thanks for your help, I know all of this and know how it works but hard for me to explain to others. I knew we were close but because I am from MI and was in FL was not sure about exact pts my dog had. He did take a BOB and the judge gave him the 5 pts. I just think if others get out there and do the Grand championship they will find out how enjoyable it is to accomplish this Title. Thanks again hope all are learning from your good way of explaining it.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by weeloves06

Thanks for your help, I know all of this and know how it works but hard for me to explain to others. I knew we were close but because I am from MI and was in FL was not sure about exact pts my dog had. He did take a BOB and the judge gave him the 5 pts. I just think if others get out there and do the Grand championship they will find out how enjoyable it is to accomplish this Title. Thanks again hope all are learning from your good way of explaining it.

I just copied from the AKC website LOL It's not easy to explain LOL...but to have it in writing will help explain it to others. Print it out from AKC and have on hand if anyone wants an explantation

I plan to print it out and have it on me while at shows in case someone asks me so I can pull it out and let them read it and explain if they have any questions.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I just copied from the AKC website LOL It's not easy to explain LOL...but to have it in writing will help explain it to others. Print it out from AKC and have on hand if anyone wants an explantation

I plan to print it out and have it on me while at shows in case someone asks me so I can pull it out and let them read it and explain if they have any questions.

Some people get confused on Select dog and Select bitch on how to calculate points...always remember one has to "subtract" two from the total count in dogs and or bitches to get the accurate count towards GCH points.

[weeloves06]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I just copied from the AKC website LOL It's not easy to explain LOL...but to have it in writing will help explain it to others. Print it out from AKC and have on hand if anyone wants an explantation

I plan to print it out and have it on me while at shows in case someone asks me so I can pull it out and let them read it and explain if they have any questions.

Your so thoughtful, I think that is awesome your going to have the info to help others.

[weeloves06]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Some people get confused on Select dog and Select bitch on how to calculate points...always remember one has to "subtract" two from the total count in dogs and or bitches to get the accurate count towards GCH points.

I know I was told how to figure it the first time Magic got Select, it was totally wrong, lol. So I did learn how to figure it out and knew what he took before AKC posted it on him.

I let AKC do my counts before I announce the Big Win, smile that way I know what he got. Thanks again for your help, I am sure others appreciate it too.