Show Prospect or Show Quality

[Brooklynn]

I'm interested in seeing at what age one would consider a show prospect or show quality? At what age would you consider buying a show dog? What would you do if you bought a puppy as a show pup and it didn't turn out like you thought? Would you send it back to the breeder or keep it as a pet or continue to show it? What type of show breeder are you looking for? What is important to you in a show prospect or show quality? What type of research have you done?
Just interested in knowing peoples responses and thoughts...

Donna

[shodanusmc]

<<<What would you do if you bought a puppy as a show pup and it didn't turn out like you thought? Would you send it back to the breeder or keep it as a pet or continue to show it>>>>

No idea to most questions, but I know that we would never send the dog back after we had it. It would be a family member regardless. Guess it is a good thing we are not show people.

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

<<<What would you do if you bought a puppy as a show pup and it didn't turn out like you thought? Would you send it back to the breeder or keep it as a pet or continue to show it>>>>

No idea to most questions, but I know that we would never send the dog back after we had it. It would be a family member regardless. Guess it is a good thing we are not show people.

I agree i could never send one back

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

<<<What would you do if you bought a puppy as a show pup and it didn't turn out like you thought? Would you send it back to the breeder or keep it as a pet or continue to show it>>>>

No idea to most questions, but I know that we would never send the dog back after we had it. It would be a family member regardless. Guess it is a good thing we are not show people.

But if you were going to want to show would you purchase another one? I know you don't show and would keep the puppy LOL...but would you make sure the breeder had it in their contract that you would spay or neuter the said dog if you decided to keep it anyway? Or would you expect the breeder to let you breed it without championing it?

[Micah my love]

I would have thought that this would be inc. in original contract

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

But if you were going to want to show would you purchase another one? I know you don't show and would keep the puppy LOL...but would you make sure the breeder had it in their contract that you would spay or neuter the said dog if you decided to keep it anyway? Or would you expect the breeder to let you breed it without championing it?

I am sure that the breeder that I would be dealing with would make sure that spay/neuter was in their contract, and I would have it done. If I wanted to get into showing, yes, I would purchase another one, knowing it is not easy to get the the best. Knowing the breeders here that I would deal with, I know there is no way they would want or let me breed it. That defeats the whole purpose. If we ever got into showing, we would want the best and want to be the best. Our goal is simple....to simply be the best owners!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Micah my love

I would have thought that this would be inc. in original contract

that's just it....not all breeders would require it

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I am sure that the breeder that I would be dealing with would make sure that spay/neuter was in their contract, and I would have it done. If I wanted to get into showing, yes, I would purchase another one, knowing it is not easy to get the the best. Knowing the breeders here that I would deal with, I know there is no way they would want or let me breed it. That defeats the whole purpose. If we ever got into showing, we would want the best and want to be the best. Our goal is simple....to simply be the best owners!

Good answers! sadly enough....there are breeders that would let one breed said dog without championing it and use it as a brood or a stud....just wanting to know what others would expect out of a show prospect vs. show quality in a pup.


I personally wouldn't even consider buying something to show unless it was over a year old. My first one was bought an an early age so therefore that is why my last two that I bought was 18 months. I wanted to make sure the structure and movement and topline was there

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Good answers! sadly enough....there are breeders that would let one breed said dog without championing it and use it as a brood or a stud....just wanting to know what others would expect out of a show prospect vs. show quality in a pup.


I personally wouldn't even consider buying something to show unless it was over a year old. My first one was bought an an early age so therefore that is why my last two that I bought was 18 months. I wanted to make sure the structure and movement and topline was there

I never even thought about the age, but makes perfect sense. There are all types out there. I just got an email from my Cousin in TX saying his wife just bought a 10 week ould Yorkie....Yes, 10 weeks. No doubt where it came from. I just wrote back to him and I am sure I pi$$ed him off, but he will get over it.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

that's just it....not all breeders would require it

You make a good point, and while this is not something most pet owners deal with, people who are seriously thinking about breeding should be aware of it. I would hope people would be happy if a breeder has it in her contract that spaying/neutering is required if the dog does not finish. Also, those breeders who remain part owners tell me that they are more involved in what happens to their line, although, I have read that the prospective buyer/breeder are skeptical of this.

[yorkielady06]

I can say from experience that I have purchased show prospects that did not turn out to be show quality but for reasons that would not be a DQ or major fault and will be a brood girl, however a male will not be bred as he cannot champion and will be neutered and stay as a pet. I will be getting a replacement for free when the parents are bred again. I purchased these 2 at 12 weeks and would not do that again ever.
Now I just purchased a show quality male at 6 months old. He went to his first show this weekend and did not win anything but did awesome and has been trained quite well and you could tell. He is a nice puppy and great structure and movement. He came with a strict show contract and if he has any faults that would render him not showable that I have to return him and get a replacement.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I never even thought about the age, but makes perfect sense. There are all types out there. I just got an email from my Cousin in TX saying his wife just bought a 10 week ould Yorkie....Yes, 10 weeks. No doubt where it came from. I just wrote back to him and I am sure I pi$ him off, but he will get over it.

I, as a show/breeding exhibitor, would never consider selling a show pup under I know at least 10 to 12 months of age to a show home as show quality. Anything under that would only be a prospect. But, then again, I highly doubt I would sell anyone a show dog LOL...but it's interesting to know what other breeders do or new exhibitors are doing or willing to do....
If I take a puppy in the ring it will something out of Radar or a bitch I own!

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

I can say from experience that I have purchased show prospects that did not turn out to be show quality but for reasons that would not be a DQ or major fault and will be a brood girl, however a male will not be bred as he cannot champion and will be neutered and stay as a pet. I will be getting a replacement for free when the parents are bred again. I purchased these 2 at 12 weeks and would not do that again ever.
Now I just purchased a show quality male at 6 months old. He went to his first show this weekend and did not win anything but did awesome and has been trained quite well and you could tell. He is a nice puppy and great structure and movement. He came with a strict show contract and if he has any faults that would render him not showable that I have to return him and get a replacement.

I don't sell for brood either. If you can't show it, finish it...spay/neuter or send back and I'll replace from another litter or give your money back either of the three is fine with me. Also, in my stud contract you can NOT sell show dogs from either a bitch or stud that you have either bought from me or used a stud PERIOD non negotiable! But then again, I don't stud out my dogs publically nor do I intend to sell show dogs unless it's to a friend of mine and that would probably be for free and me stay as a co-owner or if they want one out right I'd sell.

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You make a good point, and while this is not something most pet owners deal with, people who are seriously thinking about breeding should be aware of it. I would hope people would be happy if a breeder has it in her contract that spaying/neutering is required if the dog does not finish. Also, those breeders who remain part owners tell me that they are more involved in what happens to their line, although, I have read that the prospective buyer/breeder are skeptical of this.

Acutally, I started this thread for new exhibitors to see what us show breeders do and it would help the newbie get an idea of the different breeders out there. This thread really isn't for the typical pet owner but their input is always welcome as they might want to own a pet from one of us and know how we are as reputable breeders I know many breeders that do not have spay/neuter in their contracts and will let use as a brood bitch if the bitch doesn't turn out or allow them to use the male as a stud....

Donna

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Acutally, I started this thread for new exhibitors to see what us show breeders do and it would help the newbie get an idea of the different breeders out there. This thread really isn't for the typical pet owner but their input is always welcome as they might want to own a pet from one of us and know how we are as reputable breeders I know many breeders that do not have spay/neuter in their contracts and will let use as a brood bitch if the bitch doesn't turn out or allow them to use the male as a stud....

Donna

There arer so many variables when purchasing a show dog.

However, since you mentioned new exhibitors, I strongly suggest that a proespect/potential not be purchased before the age of 8 months of age and closer to 12 months. A breeder that is selling a show dog to a newbie earlier than this is taking advantage of said newbie. A newbie is excited about getting into the ring, puppy doesn't turn out, how sad. So many things change with a puppy prior to 7 or 8 months of age......expecially in bitches. Toplines being one of the biggest things.

I've picked a pup from my breeder at 16 weeks of age. But, it is always with a kiss, smile and we'll see. Always understanding that if the dog doesn't turn out we'll pet it out. But, then again my goals are a bit different and I can't keep every dog. And of course having the trained eye of mentor who has been in this for 45+ years does help.

Which brings questions, how long has the breeder that is selling the show prospect/quality pup been showing, how many dogs from their own breeding has said breeder Championed, or at the very least is the show prospect from established lines. So much more that fits into the equation.

Again, buyer/newbie beware and don't be in such a hurry.