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08-22-2009, 11:45 AM | #1 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | AKC or UKC?? which one? Would you rather show AKC or UKC? is either better then the other? Why do some breeds choose to show UKC instead of AKC?
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08-22-2009, 12:04 PM | #2 |
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| Very simple, ukc does not allow handlers, so if your starting out new, it is easier for you to show without the professionals to go up against. I show both and like the challange of AKC but love showing UKC/
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08-22-2009, 12:35 PM | #3 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | oh wow, i had no idea you couldn't use handlers in UKC
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08-22-2009, 12:47 PM | #4 |
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| I have found that UKC is not available in all states, so not many opportunities to show, especially in my state. For me there is only 1 UKC show in my state - actually close enough to go to, which is still awhile away. I think that UKC may be a good place to practice, but is not as well recognized or prestigous as AKC. UKC has made strides, from what I hear, in the last few years. If there were a UKC show near me, I would probably go to get my dogs experience and have fun. AKC Matches are also a great place to gain experience. Check with your clubs to find out when they will have one. For me, I show AKC. JMO - It is also a lot harder to gain an AKC championship than UKC. I know someone that was able to get a UKC champion on her dog in one weekend. That cannot happen with AKC, unless a Speciality is attached within that weekend and still very rare! You have to have a lot of dogs entered to get majors - for AKC. To get majors - you need a lot of dogs entered to compete against and right now many of the majors have been breaking. So it is so much harder to get those AKC championships. But boy, when you get them - they are so celebrated. You can have fun at AKC shows too and we do! Last edited by topknot; 08-22-2009 at 12:48 PM. |
08-22-2009, 02:07 PM | #5 | |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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As Topknot says, AKC Championship is much more difficult to obtain.....competition is fierce. So, if you're new and don't have access to a mentor to give you all the help in training, grooming and presentation of a yorkie, be kind to yourself and do the UKC route. Now if you have a great speciman of the breed, you might want to send your dog out with handler.....
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08-22-2009, 03:42 PM | #6 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | so if I were looking for that perfect puppy from championed parents i'd want them to be AKC champions instead of UKC chamions, right? It seems like its easier to get a UKC championship then an AKC championship. like the UKC isn't as valuable as the AKC one. if something can be gotten in a weekend, instead of many weekends it can't be as valuable. Having both championships is great, but if you were to want one it would have to be the AKC one. I've been on this site for 3 years now constantly reading and learning about the yorkie. I've seen numerous websites of breeders of all kinds, plus websites with just information on the breed. I've seen something on a few websites and mentioned by a few here that i always question. The majority of breeders on here all show AKC but there are a few that show only UKC even tho AKC is available to them. So these breeders show their dogs UKC and get them championed fairly young because its so easy. These young dogs aren't finished growing and changing (yorkies can continue to change up until 2 years old or later right?). So what happens if the dog becomes a champion at say 14 months old while its still growing and changing and then when its finished growing its not that perfect specimen of the breed? Now this person has this championed yorkie that she wanted to breed but this champion is no longer champion material? its no longer within standard for whatever reason. But she breeds it anyway and proclaims that the puppies are from a champion dam or sire. isn't this misleading to the buyer? do you get what i'm saying or does this just not make sense at all. its just been in my head for a while so i thought i'd ask. i hope i'm not offending anyone cause that's not what i'm after.
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08-22-2009, 03:58 PM | #7 | |
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But, on the other side of the coin...I'll explain a bit further. There are many exhibitors that AKC Champion their dogs at a young age. However, most of these exhibitors are showing and breeding dogs from well established lines that have already set their type. In otherwords, experienced breeders that know yorkies and have an eye for a dog. I've finished a few at the age of 14 months......however, my dogs come from a long line of Champions that are up front and throughout their pedigree, and from a breeder that has finished well over a hundred Champions herself. Not to mention those that have been sold to others and Championed. Does that make sense.
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08-22-2009, 04:14 PM | #8 | |
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my issues are about the UKC ones since those are less likely to have the same background that the AKC ones do.
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08-22-2009, 04:21 PM | #9 | |
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Then there is the other side, it could give a newbie a false sense of security, taking a dog in and obtaining a UKC Championship lickety split.....
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08-22-2009, 05:09 PM | #10 | |
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what do you think about this part i stated earlier: "The majority of breeders on here all show AKC but there are a few that show only UKC even tho AKC is available to them. So these breeders show their dogs UKC and get them championed fairly young because its so easy. These young dogs aren't finished growing and changing (yorkies can continue to change up until 2 years old or later right?). So what happens if the dog becomes a champion at say 14 months old while its still growing and changing and then when its finished growing its not that perfect specimen of the breed? Now this person has this championed yorkie that she wanted to breed but this champion is no longer champion material? its no longer within standard for whatever reason. But she breeds it anyway and proclaims that the puppies are from a champion dam or sire. isn't this misleading to the buyer?"
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08-22-2009, 05:18 PM | #11 | |
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08-22-2009, 05:24 PM | #12 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | are the yorkie standards of UKC different from AKC? for example, color wise - does UKC accept anything other then steel blue and tan?
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08-22-2009, 05:34 PM | #13 |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| The standard is the same. However, they adopted the color disqualification in May 2008, whereas, AKC had it in place on Oct 1, 2007. The one difference is in AKC yorkies are shown in the Toy Group and UKC it's in the Companion Group.
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08-22-2009, 05:43 PM | #14 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | thank you for all the information. i appreciate it. I would like to hear others views on this as well. maybe tomorrow more people will be around. i know there are quite a few reputable breeders on here.
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08-23-2009, 07:40 AM | #15 |
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| Kalina, I agree with Mardelin as I think UKC might be a way of training, but I also definitely feel it could give one a false sense of security. I'm afraid many people go out and excited that they have put a championship on a dog in a weekend or so in UKC, not realizing, it could never obtain an AKC title because the quality is just not there. This is not to offend or to say there aren't any UKC champions that are good representatives of the breed. Yes, there are handlers in AKC, and yes, now and again you will show under a judge that is, shall we say, a little political...Big deal! Such is everything in life. I truly feel if you don't have a good mentor, it is very possible to find one while showing in AKC. If you honestly want to learn the ropes, there are wonderful breeders and exhibitors out there that are more than willing to help you.
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