Dog Show Talk

[lwolfe]

Originally Posted by topknot

For myself, I know I only have so much money and can only show strongly one dog at a time. Then the others must wait. I do practice with them while waiting, so they are use to the ring. So having to wait till one finishes before showing another - may be another reason why one is older.
Laurie is right - around our areas you are up against tough competitors - dogs in full coats, dripping in hair with their very experienced and well-know handlers. Infact they usually do not start showing a dog till they are a min. of 2 years old. So it is tough trying to get the points here. I am getting close - most of the time always just behind Kirsten. That doesn't get me the points though. You also have to remember that with professional handlers - this is their job showing. They know what they are doing and practice all week. They go to shows most weekends.
Same thing with me - only one UKC show here in Georgia a year (Perry), which is south of Atlanta.
T.

She right in your back yard. Didn't she just move to GA?

Perry is this weekend. I haven't looked at the judges but Rowdy Yates usually gets good ones. The last show Ann Hearn the AKC judge was there and Joyce Lea Hanson judged the winter show. I like to show for her. She has been breeding Yorkshire Terriers for years. She gives lots of time in and out of the ring.

[Tx2Stepn]

[quote=lwolfe;1988177]I am not that concerned with the breeder/owner/handlers. I can win against them enough to finish a dog. It is the big named handlers Like Kirsten McGregor, Luke and Diane Ehricht and Zack Watkins. They are entered in 99%of the shows in my state. I got one point on Deuce in NC. All other points were won 4 to 6 hours from my home. I am fortunate enough to be able to travel. What about the people who can't?
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I have are simular thing going on here. Most of the time here we have Tonia Holibaugh, Trish Kulessa, Ken Lambert, Brian Livingston, Audrey Roberts and on occasion Mandy Carlson in the ring. I learned to travel to the judges that I know like Taz or his type and it took me some time to finish him. I know that he is a good dog and he is my first show dog, so I kept showing him and it took me 3 years of showing him to do it. I missed 1/2 year because I broke my arm and had to have surgery. I won w/ him over handlers under some good judges and I knew that he deserved to be finished. We also have several "top" breeder/owner/handlers in this area, but my motto is you have to get out there and let the judges see you and get to know you. If you keep bringing them a good dog and they know your serious, you will win. One of my favorite sayings is from Galaxy Quest, "Never Give Up! Never Surrender!".

When I finished Taz, I finished him under Judge Arlene Czech and I don't think anyone was more surprised than me. I had never shown to her before and it was one of the best experiences of showing that I have ever had. She didn't let us get down to stack our dogs, so the dogs really were having to show their attributes themselves. There are good judges out there, but it does take time for a "newbie" to finish their dogs w/ the competition that's out there.

Kristena - How could I forget her or that dog!

[topknot]

Originally Posted by lwolfe

She right in your back yard. Didn't she just move to GA?

Perry is this weekend. I haven't looked at the judges but Rowdy Yates usually gets good ones. The last show Ann Hearn the AKC judge was there and Joyce Lea Hanson judged the winter show. I like to show for her. She has been breeding Yorkshire Terriers for years. She gives lots of time in and out of the ring.

Perry AKC show was last weekend - Jack Onofrio Dog Shows
And yes, Kirsten and Ava are in my back yard - in Georgia. So we see each other at every show. Sometimes Ava is there and sometimes she has other things gooing on and then Kirsten will show hers.
T.

[lwolfe]

Originally Posted by topknot

Perry was last weekend - Jack Onofrio Dog Shows
And yes, Kirsten and Ava are in my back yard - in Georgia. So we see each other at every show. Sometimes Ava is there and sometimes she has other things gooing on and then Kirsten will show hers.
T.

I was talking about the UKC show - it is in Perry this weekend.

Ava is showing a lovely little male right now. I would love to have him.

[Yelena]

Can you please tell me what is JUDG ?
(ALL OTHERS - REFER TO JDGS BK)? InfoDog Result Code Legend

[Tx2Stepn]

Originally Posted by Yelena

Can you please tell me what is JUDG ?
(ALL OTHERS - REFER TO JDGS BK)? InfoDog Result Code Legend

It stands for judge... It is saying that you have to refer to the judges book as to the reason the dog was DQ or EX if there is not a code that fits...

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn

It stands for judge... It is saying that you have to refer to the judges book as to the reason the dog was DQ or EX if there is not a code that fits...

Thank you very much for the answer.

[brass2e]

I appreciate your comment about coat length and being "up on leg" as I am just cruising the postings looking for info about this. I have a 6-month-old pup who will be about 6.5-7 lbs and I am a newbie. I was wondering about longer legs, is it common for larger dogs to have longer legs? My understanding is that if the legs are longer that the coat must go to the floor. Are there many yorkies in the ring that are taller? I have seen some that appear to have longer legs when I look at photos of other champions. I would welcome any input.

Originally Posted by Bravo916

Last year I was in CO visiting my father and decided to spend a weekend at a dog show there so I entered my, then, 10month old pup before hand.

The first day panned out to be a major with WD being a 6.5yr old dog (Sonja, you know who I'm talking about lol) and my pup took reserve. Maybe its just me but if it takes 6yrs of actively showing to finish a dog maybe its not worth showing it??? Just my opinion.

As far as my showing career, If I could change anything I would probably have waited to start showing my dog until he was 2. Being green and innocent I didnt know the politics and the ways of the ring, perse. I just figured that if the dog had great structure that it would win over a poorly built dog in full coat, puppy or not. I've learned the hard (and expensive way) that with most judges the length of coat really does matter. I've also learned that coat takes FOREVER to hit the floor if your dog is up on leg.

[Bravo916]

Originally Posted by brass2e

I appreciate your comment about coat length and being "up on leg" as I am just cruising the postings looking for info about this. I have a 6-month-old pup who will be about 6.5-7 lbs and I am a newbie. I was wondering about longer legs, is it common for larger dogs to have longer legs? My understanding is that if the legs are longer that the coat must go to the floor. Are there many yorkies in the ring that are taller? I have seen some that appear to have longer legs when I look at photos of other champions. I would welcome any input.

I am a total newbie at this but I will share with you what I have learned during my short time in the ring.

A taller dog is not necessarily large. In a large dog, everything is bigger--the feet, the head, even the density of the bone. Most of the leggy dogs I have seen, including my dog, are tall but still have very delicate features. They look like an average dog but only on stilts, if that makes any sense. I once ran into someone with a 8-9lb Yorkie at a pet store--my dog and he were the same height but my dog looked TINY next to him.

Most of the specials out there are tall dogs; the neck and leg make them look so elegant and regal.

IMH(umble)O taller dogs take longer to finish but they look amazing once they are in full coat. It takes a very long time to grow coat to cover the legs. Right not my boy is 21 months old and his coat is barely touching the ground. When he was in the puppy classes he would be in the ring with shorter dogs the same age, with the same amount of coat (however, because they were shorter it looked SO much longer) and he looked like baby huey--gangly, lanky and very disproportionate. It also takes time for their chests to drop which helps with the front movement. Taller pups sometimes kick their legs out in an egg-beater fashion. Once the chest drops the front movement turns into a very smooth stride.

If you are planning on showing your dog start now with weekly conformation classes. Find a mentor and have him evaluated. Start oiling and wrapping. Enter a few shows for the ring experience and the socialization to the noise. Go to every B-match you can find. Train like you are entered in a specialty the following weekend. Once his coat is long enough and you think he is ready then actively show him.

Again, I am not an expert by any means. I am merely speaking to my experience of ALMOST finishing my dog I am very fortunate to have been taken under the wings of some incredible women who have taught me SO much and yet I learn something new all of the time.

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by Bravo916

I am a total newbie at this but I will share with you what I have learned during my short time in the ring.

I'm also very new to the dog show!!
and I REALLY like, that you are sharing your knowledge!!!!

[bjh]

Kristena....thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions. I have seen pictures of your male and he is very beautiful. Do you mind sharing with us approximately how tall he is at the shoulder? I do agree with you that the taller dogs are much more elegant.

[lwolfe]

From the AKC standard - - Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

I was typing a message saying that the Yorkshire Terrier should be a square dog. I went to the standard and it didn't say that at all. Hmmm. There is a lovely dog being shown now and the only real fault I could find was he was too tall. I guess he isn't after all.

[brass2e]

Thanks, your input is so helpful, and will certainly help me with planning and save me a lot of disappointment, not to mention the expense of going to shows before her coat is ready. I will look into finding a mentor, I'll know better about the possibility this weekend at our first show! I have completed a conformation class which was so beneficial and I will keep taking them. I would also be interested in seeing a photo of your dog as someone mentioned that you have photos. I will try to take one as well. Once again, I appreciate your time to give me such valuable info and relieve my worries. My dog is from a great pedigree and has such great features otherwise. Thanks again!
Liz.

Originally Posted by Bravo916

I am a total newbie at this but I will share with you what I have learned during my short time in the ring.

A taller dog is not necessarily large. In a large dog, everything is bigger--the feet, the head, even the density of the bone. Most of the leggy dogs I have seen, including my dog, are tall but still have very delicate features. They look like an average dog but only on stilts, if that makes any sense. I once ran into someone with a 8-9lb Yorkie at a pet store--my dog and he were the same height but my dog looked TINY next to him.

Most of the specials out there are tall dogs; the neck and leg make them look so elegant and regal.

IMH(umble)O taller dogs take longer to finish but they look amazing once they are in full coat. It takes a very long time to grow coat to cover the legs. Right not my boy is 21 months old and his coat is barely touching the ground. When he was in the puppy classes he would be in the ring with shorter dogs the same age, with the same amount of coat (however, because they were shorter it looked SO much longer) and he looked like baby huey--gangly, lanky and very disproportionate. It also takes time for their chests to drop which helps with the front movement. Taller pups sometimes kick their legs out in an egg-beater fashion. Once the chest drops the front movement turns into a very smooth stride.

If you are planning on showing your dog start now with weekly conformation classes. Find a mentor and have him evaluated. Start oiling and wrapping. Enter a few shows for the ring experience and the socialization to the noise. Go to every B-match you can find. Train like you are entered in a specialty the following weekend. Once his coat is long enough and you think he is ready then actively show him.

Again, I am not an expert by any means. I am merely speaking to my experience of ALMOST finishing my dog I am very fortunate to have been taken under the wings of some incredible women who have taught me SO much and yet I learn something new all of the time.

[Yelena]

Here is a bit more information Young Yorkies Present AKC Standard Yorkshire Terriers Explained by Carolyn Hensley

[Bravo916]

Originally Posted by bjh

Do you mind sharing with us approximately how tall he is at the shoulder?

Diesel stands 10.5" at the withers and his topline is also 10.5" long.

The question of "square" was raised and is legitimate. Though it is not in the official standard, it is discussed in the YTCA's publication, Illustrated Discussion of the Yorkshire Terrier, which reads "The Yorkshire Terrier is a sound, well balanced, compact, neat, square appearing dog though there is little or nothing specific in our standard describing the length of the neck, type, placement, carriage of , etc."

Liz we would love to see pictures...that's sort of mandatory around here!