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Old 04-13-2008, 01:50 PM   #1
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Default How Do U Breeders Pick A Show Hopeful??

I have some questions on how to pick out a puppy from a litter to know they MIGHT be show hopefuls.

I'm a hopeful here to have maybe 1 show hopeful out of a litter of puppies through Sage & Galahad and no breeding until the Spring of 2009 with that being said I need to learn all I can about how to pick a show hopeful puppy out of a litter.

When do each of U breeders of show babies do all this below and how?

On tail docking, I know they docked my Galahads' tail way to short!!
How long should U dock each puppies tail, is there a rule to go by. Do U dock each puppies tail longer at 3 days old even if a puppy turns out to not be a show hopeful?


How do pick a puppy out of the litter?


What do U specifically watch for in this litter for that one special puppy to be a show hopeful?


What specifically strikes U're fancy so to speak, when U see one U think might be a hopeful?

At what age do U really start watching them?

I allowed Tiffanies' puppies to be adopted at 12 weeks of age, if I adopted Sages' babies out at 12 weeks of age would that be enough time for me to pick out my show hopefuls?

If not what is the age U keep them all till U pick that show hopeful out of the litter?

At what age do U start training U're show hopeful puppy for the show ring?

What do U specifically train U're show hopeful puppy to do?

As U all already know I'm not into showing Yorkies at all, I do have some books of showing but if Sage was and I say was to have a puppy that might just might be a show hopeful (Of course if she has a litter of babies then U all will be the 1st to judge them here and help me to pick and not pick (If that can be done) then if I take the time to learn how to train a puppy for the ring could I do that even if I don't show any Yorkies?

When U pick out a puppy from a litter that U know is a show hopeful how long do U keep this puppy before adopting it out as a show puppy?

Does that puppy have be shown in the ring at least once to be a show puppy by it's breeder?

More less would I have to take this puppy into the ring in order to adopt it out as a show puppy?

Is this mandatory that U a puppy be shown in the ring before adopting it out as a show hopeful?

If yes, then I would have to hire a handler wouldn't I?

I'm just asking questions to learn about show hopefuls and I hope to get some answers from all of U show breeders. I would love any and all thoughts on how to pick a show hopeful.
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I have some questions on how to pick out a puppy from a litter to know they MIGHT be show hopefuls.

I'm a hopeful here to have maybe 1 show hopeful out of a litter of puppies through Sage & Galahad and no breeding until the Spring of 2009 with that being said I need to learn all I can about how to pick a show hopeful puppy out of a litter.

When do each of U breeders of show babies do all this below and how?

On tail docking, I know they docked my Galahads' tail way to short!!
How long should U dock each puppies tail, is there a rule to go by. Do U dock each puppies tail longer at 3 days old even if a puppy turns out to not be a show hopeful?


How do pick a puppy out of the litter?


What do U specifically watch for in this litter for that one special puppy to be a show hopeful?


What specifically strikes U're fancy so to speak, when U see one U think might be a hopeful?

At what age do U really start watching them?

I allowed Tiffanies' puppies to be adopted at 12 weeks of age, if I adopted Sages' babies out at 12 weeks of age would that be enough time for me to pick out my show hopefuls?

If not what is the age U keep them all till U pick that show hopeful out of the litter?

At what age do U start training U're show hopeful puppy for the show ring?

What do U specifically train U're show hopeful puppy to do?

As U all already know I'm not into showing Yorkies at all, I do have some books of showing but if Sage was and I say was to have a puppy that might just might be a show hopeful (Of course if she has a litter of babies then U all will be the 1st to judge them here and help me to pick and not pick (If that can be done) then if I take the time to learn how to train a puppy for the ring could I do that even if I don't show any Yorkies?

When U pick out a puppy from a litter that U know is a show hopeful how long do U keep this puppy before adopting it out as a show puppy?

Does that puppy have be shown in the ring at least once to be a show puppy by it's breeder?

More less would I have to take this puppy into the ring in order to adopt it out as a show puppy?

Is this mandatory that U a puppy be shown in the ring before adopting it out as a show hopeful?

If yes, then I would have to hire a handler wouldn't I?

I'm just asking questions to learn about show hopefuls and I hope to get some answers from all of U show breeders. I would love any and all thoughts on how to pick a show hopeful.
I do my own tail docking. 1/4 inch past the tan into the black is a good rule of thumb for length of tail. If I want a tad longer tail, I will dock a vertibrae longer. This does make a nicer outline when gaiting the dog around the ring.

I look at ATTITUDE, balanced structure, level topline, bite, ear placement, testicles and silkieness of hair. This does not show up all at one time. I think I posted this in order of what I look at. Of course, these can all fall apart by the time they are 6 or 11 months old, not to mention health screening.

I start "stacking" on the table and bait training at about 8 weeks of age. I also put a light lead on them and let them drag it around(supervised). At around 10 weeks, I start lead training them. I practive in my yard just like as if I was showing them. I take them for rides in the car and get them used to strangers.

I have never sold a show prospect, but if I did, the puppy would be co-owned and would need to be shown. But thats later on down the road.

I showed my first champion Yorkie until his hair was almost to the ground and then put him with a handler. I work full time so I dont get to go to all the shows and it ended up that the cost of the handler and all the fees were cheaper and quicker to make the dog a champion than if I had to do it myself.

Hope this helps!!!
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This was a question asked on another thread that has some things that you may find helpful. I have been grooming and too tired to type too much tonight LOL

I would appreciate input from some of you experienced show breeders on how to best raise your show prospects.


At what age do you start letting them associate with your older dogs.
I make this judgement as individual pups, some pups are ready to spend some time with the older dogs sooner than others so I watch the pups attitudes and condifidence and when I feel they are ready I let them hang out with the older ones only when I am sitting in the floor with them.
Say if you have a litter of say 5 puppies, after they are weaned, do you let all of them stay together in one group or do you split them up when they get a little older. At what age would you split them up?
I kept a litter this past year Toy, Kisses and Keeper who are 7 months old now. They still are in one room together. And I do crate them up at night time in a 3X3.

It seems that if they establish a pecking order then maybe the one that looks the best conformation wise might end up being more intimidated and shy if they have bigger litter mates picking on them. If you notice a real problem with one being picked on more and see that their behavior is changing then I think you should move it with another group. A lot of it is knowing your dogs, watching their behavior and making the decision what to change if you feel you need to seperate them. I do not like to keep show dogs in isolation. I heavy oil mine and some I wrap. Some will pull the others wraps out so you have to be sure you put the right ones together to keep from getting wraps pulled out. Again a lot of it is knowing your dogs and watching very carefully what is going on with your dogs.

I know that attitude is important in a show dog. Is attitude something that has to come natural or can it be taught?
I agree 100% with Laurie attitude is something they are born with. I love a dog with too much attitude, you can usually tame down that spunk enough to have it shine at the ring time in the ring. Sometimes its a job to get them to calm down but to take a dog with little or no attitude/spunk to me is not going to work. Because that is a drag to work with.

I know some show breeders keep each show dog in a separate exercise pen or crate but to me it seems sad to do that. [COLOR="darkorange"]My dogs are my pets first and foremost they do not live in solitary confinement. I don't like that, in my opinion you can raise a show dog with others again you just have to know which ones they can hang out with that won't tear up their coats etc
I have also been told that when Yorkies are puppies you should just let them be puppies.
Absolutely let them have fun and be a playful happy puppy.

At what age do you recommend starting leash training?
Start putting a light leash around their neck when they are 10 weeks old and let them drag it around the room You can order some that are like a very thin shoe string, only when you are sitting in the floor watching them and only them. They can get hurt if you do not watch them.

I have heard several handlers say that we should not spoil our show dogs and we should treat them like dogs and not like children. Any input would be greatly appreciatedLOL I remember Squeakers second show, he was 10 months old and the judge that gave him BOB told me Let him be a dog, don't spoil him like he is a child, he is a terrier and you shouldn't baby him. LOL well he has to be the most spoiled dog and he had no problem becoming a CH. again my dogs are my pets first and foremost. If I had to choose spoiling them and loving the heck out of them over being a show dog champion, I would choose spoiling them.

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What kind of bait do you recommend when you first start training?
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This was a question asked on another thread that has some things that you may find helpful. I have been grooming and too tired to type too much tonight LOL

I would appreciate input from some of you experienced show breeders on how to best raise your show prospects.


At what age do you start letting them associate with your older dogs.
I make this judgement as individual pups, some pups are ready to spend some time with the older dogs sooner than others so I watch the pups attitudes and condifidence and when I feel they are ready I let them hang out with the older ones only when I am sitting in the floor with them.
Say if you have a litter of say 5 puppies, after they are weaned, do you let all of them stay together in one group or do you split them up when they get a little older. At what age would you split them up?
I kept a litter this past year Toy, Kisses and Keeper who are 7 months old now. They still are in one room together. And I do crate them up at night time in a 3X3.

It seems that if they establish a pecking order then maybe the one that looks the best conformation wise might end up being more intimidated and shy if they have bigger litter mates picking on them. If you notice a real problem with one being picked on more and see that their behavior is changing then I think you should move it with another group. A lot of it is knowing your dogs, watching their behavior and making the decision what to change if you feel you need to seperate them. I do not like to keep show dogs in isolation. I heavy oil mine and some I wrap. Some will pull the others wraps out so you have to be sure you put the right ones together to keep from getting wraps pulled out. Again a lot of it is knowing your dogs and watching very carefully what is going on with your dogs.

I know that attitude is important in a show dog. Is attitude something that has to come natural or can it be taught?
I agree 100% with Laurie attitude is something they are born with. I love a dog with too much attitude, you can usually tame down that spunk enough to have it shine at the ring time in the ring. Sometimes its a job to get them to calm down but to take a dog with little or no attitude/spunk to me is not going to work. Because that is a drag to work with.

I know some show breeders keep each show dog in a separate exercise pen or crate but to me it seems sad to do that. [COLOR="darkorange"]My dogs are my pets first and foremost they do not live in solitary confinement. I don't like that, in my opinion you can raise a show dog with others again you just have to know which ones they can hang out with that won't tear up their coats etc
I have also been told that when Yorkies are puppies you should just let them be puppies.
Absolutely let them have fun and be a playful happy puppy.

At what age do you recommend starting leash training?
Start putting a light leash around their neck when they are 10 weeks old and let them drag it around the room You can order some that are like a very thin shoe string, only when you are sitting in the floor watching them and only them. They can get hurt if you do not watch them.

I have heard several handlers say that we should not spoil our show dogs and we should treat them like dogs and not like children. Any input would be greatly appreciatedLOL I remember Squeakers second show, he was 10 months old and the judge that gave him BOB told me Let him be a dog, don't spoil him like he is a child, he is a terrier and you shouldn't baby him. LOL well he has to be the most spoiled dog and he had no problem becoming a CH. again my dogs are my pets first and foremost. If I had to choose spoiling them and loving the heck out of them over being a show dog champion, I would choose spoiling them.

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Can I ask where the thread is that U're talking about? Do U remember? Thanks so very much!
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Can I ask where the thread is that U're talking about? Do U remember? Thanks so very much!
I found it thanks but still have some questions on mine that wasn't ask or answered on hers, (Hope that's okay BJH Can't remember U're name sorry) Hope U don't mind me asking questions too
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I found it thanks but still have some questions on mine that wasn't ask or answered on hers, (Hope that's okay BJH Can't remember U're name sorry) Hope U don't mind me asking questions too
It is good to ask questions. That is how we learn. I think everyone has different ways of doing things and I always like to hear new information, tips, etc. Some things you can find in a book but there is nothing like hearing from all those that have experienced it all.
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Is this mandatory that U a puppy be shown in the ring before adopting it out as a show hopeful?

When I sell a puppy for show . I always take him to dogshow before letting him or her go to the new home . I consider it is more honest .
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As of now I don't show any Yorkies or any dogs for that matter.

We do hope and I say hope to have a Show Quality baby with our Sage and Sir. Galahad. I'm not saying we will tho only time will tell.

This is the reasons I was asking all the questions as I do not Show any, with that being said does anyone know how I might go about adopting out a Show Puppy if we were to be blessed enough to have one since I don't show?

Would I have to hire a handler to show the puppy to see where it might go in the ring?

Do any of U breeders of Show Puppies ever adopt a puppy out that might be a show hopeful without ever showing this puppy in the ring?


Did all of U Show Breeders always Show U're Yorkies before U started breeding?

How did U each get U're start with U're Show Hopefuls that U bred?

Sorry so many questions but just trying to learn from U all here.
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Is this mandatory that U a puppy be shown in the ring before adopting it out as a show hopeful?

When I sell a puppy for show . I always take him to dogshow before letting him or her go to the new home . I consider it is more honest .
Thanks for U're thoughts but I don't show any Yorkies now and I was just wondering how U would go about it if U didn't show any and had maybe a Show Hopeful in U're litter.
I would never be dishonest about it, I would be straight up with anyone who adopted my puppies if they we're never shown in the ring I would tell them and that I would just "Think" this puppy could be a Show Hopeful. Would there be any wrong it doing that? I'm just trying to learn how to go about it all.
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Thanks for U're thoughts but I don't show any Yorkies now and I was just wondering how U would go about it if U didn't show any and had maybe a Show Hopeful in U're litter.
I would never be dishonest about it, I would be straight up with anyone who adopted my puppies if they we're never shown in the ring I would tell them and that I would just "Think" this puppy could be a Show Hopeful. Would there be any wrong it doing that? I'm just trying to learn how to go about it all.
To be homest - I think that it would not be right to sell a puppy to anyone as a show hopeful unless the breeder shows her/himself or has show dogs. It really is hard to know if you might even have a show hopeful in your own litter unless you have the experience and knowledge of showing. Just my own experience. You learn so much from seeing a real show dog at shows and showing, as well as knowing what qualities and personality it takes to win in the ring. It is hard to put into words all that we learn by showing, seeing, feeling structure/coat quality, being with/living with a yorkie that loves the ring and has that attitude. There is just so much you must know. I hope this helps.
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To be homest - I think that it would not be right to sell a puppy to anyone as a show hopeful unless the breeder shows her/himself or has show dogs. It really is hard to know if you might even have a show hopeful in your own litter unless you have the experience and knowledge of showing. Just my own experience. You learn so much from seeing a real show dog at shows and showing, as well as knowing what qualities and personality it takes to win in the ring. It is hard to put into words all that we learn by showing, seeing, feeling structure/coat quality, being with/living with a yorkie that loves the ring and has that attitude. There is just so much you must know. I hope this helps.
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I understand what U're saying & I see U're reasoning behind it so I guess my option would be to send one I thought might be a Show Hopeful out with a handler then??? Or try showing myself. I've never been to a show and seems like every time I want to go or think I'm gonna get to go then something happens to where I can't.

I don't know what to do. I just feel kinda lost, I'd hate to have a baby that could of been a Show Star and then place that puppy in home as a Pet Quality baby and someone say well U should of NEVER let that baby go as it could of been in the Ring. If that makes any sense. I just don't know. I feel so discouraged now. Is it wrong for me to feel this way?

Sage is from a beautiful, good, sound line Connor of lady hawks is her father I know this doesn't mean she'll have a Show Quality baby. I don't feel I've made any mistakes by adopting her to help get our babies to the AKC Standards.

I just had such high hopes for Sage & Galahad having just one show quality baby maybe I shouldn't have those hopes or maybe I shouldn't feel that way.
Maybe if they should have one I could keep it and see what could happen by then U never know. How many times do U show one before U adopt it out as "Show Quality" or a "Show Hopeful" ?? I'm still trying to learn all this. Thanks for all U're thoughts. I went and viewed U're site and U have precious babies there.
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Don't get discouraged. Get a handler if you cannot attend the shows, but I am letting you know - you will learn soooo much more by going to the shows. It is worth going, even if you have to travel a bit. I am in the country - way out and I still go. I have my aliments, and responsibilities, and I work too. So you just make the time.
Also study your pedigrees, so you will know what produces what.
Maybe and I am sure that LadyHawk will give you plenty of tips and suggestions.
If I think I may have one panning out to be a show baby - I hold on to it for awhile to see. Like this litter I have now - I am holding on to them for a long time. I won't know anything till they are about 5 months and that is still just hope. A year or 1.5 year - is a better age for knowing if your baby will cut it and get some points. I also bring them to shows when they are about 6 months and through out growing to get the practice in the ring and here the sounds and know the sights - then when they are ready to get the points they are more confident in the ring. It does take a lot of work and conditioning to get them ready. This way too - judges are going over your dog and evaluating it. You are also able to evaluate your dog better too at a show because you have the other dogs there to size up your dog and do a better comparison. So much better than just sitting at home and quessing. And so much comes into play with having a show dog. With yorkies it is a lot.
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great questions...hehe...i start handling class this Thursday so hopefully i learn something and maybe be in the ring someday...
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As far as picking a show hopeful - I have been placing photos of my Trey and Knight on our site. One reason was just to share, but also it is a good way to study how these guys do and see if one does turn out to be for show. We have mentioned some things I look for and I also have been sharing how they act. I am holding on to these guys for a long time and hope at least one will be good for showing. Right now - my guess is Knight, but it is way too soon to tell for sure. They have a great pedigree and great parents. So keep watching and see how they turn out. It is just one way to watch and learn. I am still always learning and watching.
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