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02-04-2008, 12:59 PM | #1 |
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| Question for Show Breeders If you keep a male to show and he ends up being too small for the ring, do you ever consider selling them as a stud? I really would love to show, but it seems like right now with my pet quality dogs I'm hitting a brick wall. However, I'm still looking for another stud and I would love to have one from an extremely reputable breeder with champion lines (preferably sire and dam). Is that completely impossible? Thanks in advance! |
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02-04-2008, 01:16 PM | #2 |
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| I am not a breeder but I think you are going to have a hard time finding a well-pedigreed dog with full registration. From the tone of the conversation, correct me if I am wrong, is you are looking for a small male. Unless the male is TINY it will not necessarily make/break the average dogs show career. For females and dogs they are planning to special it is more important. With that said, no reputable breeder I know will place a dog into a home on full registration unless the dog is co-owned and actively being shown. Breeders put their blood, sweat and tears into perfecting their bloodlines and also kennel name and would not take the risk of having one of their dogs potentially ending up with a byb or puppymill. I am not implying you are either but I am trying to spell out the situation. If you are serious about showing you need to find a breeder/mentor. They will probably only give you co-ownership and make you sign an agreement that the dog can only be bred to approved bitches upon completion of his championship. I have a feeling that most of the answers you get will be on the same lines as what I am telling you. |
02-04-2008, 03:00 PM | #3 |
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| I'm sorry, not much help with your question but just wanted to offer you good luck in your search. |
02-04-2008, 03:08 PM | #4 | |
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I'm not looking for just a tiny male, anything 3 to 5 lbs or so would be fine. I realize that doesn't automatically disqualify them, but I know some show breeders don't like to show anything under a certain size, and you DO have a tiny one in the litter occasionally. I have a mentor now (but not a show breeder) who is wonderful, and I have several prospects for mentors who ARE showing, but most of the reputable ones live too far away to be of much help. I wouldn't mind co-owning a dog, that's not a problem at all. Thanks for all your input! | |
02-04-2008, 03:59 PM | #5 |
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| How about going to some shows to get to know some of the North Carolina breeders and maybe find someone willing to mentor you? Here is a list of all the upcoming shows: http://infodog.com/panels/nc.htm As the others have said, a male that isn't show quality for whatever reason would be sold with a neuter agreement. |
02-04-2008, 04:07 PM | #6 |
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| This is not the impossible dream. There are several good show breeders in NC and VA who you may be able to work with. My first suggestion would be to go to some shows and figure out exactly what you like and get to know some breeders. Subscribe to YT magazine and see what is showing and what type draws your eye. You would probably be required to sign a show contract which simply says that you can't breed the dog until he is finished without permission. Some will require that the bitch be approved by the breeder of the stud and some will require that any pups that you don't keep be sold with spay/neuter contracts. Most breeders retain lifetime breeding rights and first right of refusal of future pups. With all this you can see why you want to pick the breeder of your show pup carefully as you will have a long standing relationship with them. It can be a real win/win situation since you will put an other champion under their kennel name and they will improve the quality of the pups that you are producing.
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02-04-2008, 04:42 PM | #7 | |
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Very true. This is similar to the contract I am in however a lot of it is just oral because since getting Diesel, his breeders aka his "godparents" are practically part of the family. It is very important to have that kind of resource especially when your are showing. I really encourage you to start in the breed ring if it is something you are passionate about. Best of luck! | |
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